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[marcbenigni]

If DA2 had been given a more forthright title (e.g. Hawkes Big Adventure) then grumpy old elitist neckbeard PC RPGers like myself wouldn't have bought it, wouldn't have given a damn even; so yes, the average perception among those who paid for the game would have been better. And EA/Bioware would have had fewer sales. So they checked their balance sheets and decided it was worth it to play us.

[moilami]

joriandrake wrote...

Brp650 wrote...

I think if it was named anything other than DA2, then there wouldnt be such an outrage.

I thought about it a bit and I really have to say the outrage would be smaller but it would still be there, the game is just too dubed down and ...well, bad


sad to say that about a Bioware game but anybody I ask about it is disappointed and I also just finished the game at a friend myself and I was underwhelmed and am most likely placing it on my list of "not to buy" which list was only reserved for Sonic until now from Bioware


btw I haven't seen anywhere in the game Morrigan or anything about the witch and her army of Morrigans, was that false advertising or did I just miss out on that?

Sonic the Hedgehog and Megadrive - oh god I hated them both.

[joriandrake]

marcbenigni wrote...

If DA2 had been given a more forthright title (e.g. Hawkes Big Adventure) then grumpy old elitist neckbeard PC RPGers like myself wouldn't have bought it, wouldn't have given a damn even; so yes, the average perception among those who paid for the game would have been better. And EA/Bioware would have had fewer sales. So they checked their balance sheets and decided it was worth it to play us.

If that is the case it will have a bad backslash as result for their future titles as this ruined the trust for many fans and the amount of people of the "wait and see" group will increase, including myself many will wait months or even years before buying a new game just to be sure its worth to even bother plus also to wait for all patches and DLC and such to come out.
Why bother to get it at high cost (well its pretty costy if you aren't living in the western world) if they all get boxed up later as were DA1 and ME2? Not to mention at that time you will have a lot of detailed walkthroughs on the net for free too.

Modifié par joriandrake, 16 mars 2011 - 04:01 .

[fpngan2001]

No, It wouldnt be better. I would have still thought it was a watered down, boring POS

[neppakyo]

Just in case you didn't know

se·quel[ˈsiːkwəl]
n

1. Something that follows; a continuation.
2. A literary, dramatic, or cinematic work whose narrative continues that of a preexisting work.
3. A result or consequence.

I agree it would of been better not to slap a "2" on the end of it, market it as set in the DA universe, remove the usless DA:O "import" part and call it an action-adventure game with some RPG elements.

I am an old school RPG gamer, played Planescape: Torment, Baldurs Gate series, nwn1 (nwn2 was horrid).

[moilami]

neppakyo wrote...

Just in case you didn't know

se·quel[ˈsiːkwəl]
n

1. Something that follows; a continuation.
2. A literary, dramatic, or cinematic work whose narrative continues that of a preexisting work.
3. A result or consequence.

I agree it would of been better not to slap a "2" on the end of it, market it as set in the DA universe, remove the usless DA:O "import" part and call it an action-adventure game with some RPG elements.

I am an old school RPG gamer, played Planescape: Torment, Baldurs Gate series, nwn1 (nwn2 was horrid).

Lol you have good signature. I should begin to look a new for mine, have begun to be bored of it.

[marcbenigni]

@fpngan2001 - Agree, the game wouldn't have been better, but the average reception would have been better (per the title of the thread.) It still would have been a dopey, linear, action-adventure in RPG clothing, but the expectations wouldn't have been so high.

@joriandrake - Sad but true. But it becomes a numbers game for Bioware and EA. First off, a lot of people really do like this game, and if a certain segment are alienated (e.g. myself) so be it. Second, they have other franchises (Mass Effect) that still work really well despite leaning more toward action and less toward RPG'ing, so they've got their bases covered. The old-school RPG'ers are left out in the cold but, for better or for worse, Bioware will probably be fine.  To EA... this whole "debacle" probably doesn't even register on their richter scale.

For my part, I'll find something else to play, be it a real RPG from another vendor, maybe even something more entertaining from Bioware (e.g. Mass Effect). I wouldn't even have a stake in this discussion if I hadn't wasted my time and money on DA2. It may be a fine game for the right audience, but it simply isn't what it purports to be.

Modifié par marcbenigni, 16 mars 2011 - 04:31 .

[Insom]

I don't think the title matters. If this was a new IP it'd be dead in the water and never get a sequel.

[Mirage III]

Yeah, maybe if it had been spin-off Dragon Age: Whatever, people would've cared less. Also reviewers would give less positive reviews.
I even fear to think 'bou Mass Effect 3.

[joriandrake]

Mirage III wrote...

Yeah, maybe if it had been spin-off Dragon Age: Whatever, people would've cared less. Also reviewers would give less positive reviews.
I even fear to think 'bou Mass Effect 3.

honestly I think most reviewers are paid by EA or didn't even bother to really play the game at all

[Dasher1010]

If this game was the sequel to Jade Empire, everyone would love it.

[joriandrake]

Dasher1010 wrote...

If this game was the sequel to Jade Empire, everyone would love it.

not at all

I hope JE2 will keep its own style with actualy battle combos and jumping and such instead of going the auto-attack route



auto-attack is a must and neeeded for every other Bioware game except JE and ME

[marcbenigni]

I even fear to think 'bou Mass Effect 3.

Mass Effect 3 is much less vulnerable to the "dumbing down" effect, though. They can streamline that game to the point of no return, and it will still be pretty, and cinematic, and it will still be a reasonably playable shooter.

Streamline DA to a similar extent, and there's nothing left IMO.

Modifié par marcbenigni, 16 mars 2011 - 04:58 .

[AlanC9]

marcbenigni wrote...
 I wouldn't even have a stake in this discussion if I hadn't wasted my time and money on DA2. It may be a fine game for the right audience, but it simply isn't what it purports to be.

Which changes weren't you aware of before you bought it, anyway?

[Mirage III]

joriandrake wrote...

honestly I think most reviewers are paid by EA or didn't even bother to really play the game at all

Not paid I gues, they just have ads from EA = money to this sites like Gamespot, and they're afraid of losing relations with EA, that's why reviewers gave high scores. Or maybe they' really do not play games they review.
 

marcbenigni wrote...
Mass Effect 3 is much less vulnerable to
the "dumbing down" effect, though. They can streamline that game to the
point of no return, and it will still be pretty, and cinematic, and it
will still be a reasonably playable shooter.

Streamline DA to a similar extent, and there's nothing left IMO.

Absolutely agree. But wait, Bioware doesn't want to drop Shepard, right?

Modifié par Mirage III, 16 mars 2011 - 05:22 .

[marcbenigni]

Which changes weren't you aware of before you bought it, anyway?

The changes whereby no intelligent decisions are required of the player, indeed very little beyond "click on the red spots."

Unless you want to cite Nightmare mode, in which case I wasn't aware of the changes whereby the camera wouldn't work properly and enemy placement would be so completely arbitrary as to obviate any intelligent decisions anyway.

(Do let me know when I've made myself clear; I'll happily talk about these shortcomings ad nauseum.  The fact is, I've found this whole online debacle - between the wild differences of opinion, the crazy forum ban situation, the shill reviews... far more entertaining than the game itself.  Not that that's saying much...)

Modifié par marcbenigni, 16 mars 2011 - 05:31 .

[v_ware]

A mediocre game is a mediocre game no matter the name.

[AlanC9]

marcbenigni wrote...
The changes whereby no intelligent decisions are required of the player, indeed very little beyond "click on the red spots."

Unless you want to cite Nightmare mode, in which case I wasn't aware of the changes whereby the camera wouldn't work properly and enemy placement would be so completely arbitrary as to obviate any intelligent decisions anyway.

I thought the camera change had been pretty thoroughly disclosed. Didn't you try the demo?

[joriandrake]

Mirage III wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

honestly I think most reviewers are paid by EA or didn't even bother to really play the game at all

Not paid I gues, they just have ads from EA = money to this sites like Gamespot, and they're afraid of losing relations with EA, that's why reviewers gave high scores. Or maybe they' really do not play games they review.
 

actually this is one side of the coin, I know it for sure as there was evidence that Alpha Protocol from Obsidian got trashed in many reviews because it was requested from them/they got paid for it

it is already bad that reviews are manipulated to have overly positive results, its a worse case if they are manipulated to look bad, AP wasn't perfect but it still was one of the best RPG-s at the date of its release, I think it has something to do with Sega not having a great influence on PC gaming and I have a feeling greatly involved corps like EA manipulate the reviews the most to their own benefit thus we get some surprisingly praising or bashing reviews that look like not making any sense to average gamers

Modifié par joriandrake, 16 mars 2011 - 05:41 .

[marcbenigni]

I thought the camera change had been pretty thoroughly disclosed. Didn't you try the demo?

Yes, I played the demo several times on both XBox and PC. I knew before purchasing the game that the camera had been changed, and not for the better. That much wasn't a deal breaker.

What I didn't realize was that the demo was not merely an introduction to the combat mechanics, it was the whole story. I simply never imagined the game would carry on being so mindless. (I'm still basically incredulous.) So yes, I suppose that much is my own fault. I rolled the dice, $60 bucks down, snake eyes. Winnings to the dealer - Bioware.

[Steks25]

Not to me, I dont care what the game is called.

[moilami]

Dasher1010 wrote...

If this game was the sequel to Jade Empire, everyone would love it.

Not me. Would had not bought it and would had not talked a word of it. Of that I can conclude my life would had been better if it was sequel to Jade Empire!

[Jaulen]

i love fire wrote...

If the story was acually good and the game acually lasted more then 25 to 30 hours i would have been happy. but the story was like they picked out diff chapters in a hat at random and said lets go with that dragon age 2 story made little to no sense. It was boring it felt as if you accomplished nothing in the game, the ending was so stupid lol and if you play again theres no way to get a different ending i mean any choices you choose just revolves around the same path, Did they really expect this game to be good or did they know it was gonna be a pile of garbage

You all have to remember, that there can be NO different ending....what we are playing in DA2 is THE PAST. Actions that have already occurred and that are being retold by Varric. All that metters in the DA2 is HOW we got to that point.

DA:O we played the present.....and had some very limited choices that would effect the future of the DA world.