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[Aesieru]

 There are always enemies which for no reason outside of the fact of having them... have different health bars, some up to ridiculous levels... and I can't keep fighting them all because if I focus on them first, the others spawn quicker and overwhelm me, or I can't do enough damage, or it just heals... but worse... at the same time, 3+ rogues ALWAYS appear to back stab me no matter what I do, disappear, and then backstab me again.

Sometimes those rogues have more health than my own character, and sometimes they have more health than the named enemies...

[KitsuneEclipse]

Aesieru wrote...

 There are always enemies which for no reason outside of the fact of having them... have different health bars, some up to ridiculous levels... and I can't keep fighting them all because if I focus on them first, the others spawn quicker and overwhelm me, or I can't do enough damage, or it just heals... but worse... at the same time, 3+ rogues ALWAYS appear to back stab me no matter what I do, disappear, and then backstab me again.

Sometimes those rogues have more health than my own character, and sometimes they have more health than the named enemies...

I've found the only thing I can do is focus down the littler mobs quickly, and then as soon as it becomes clear enough, have my entire party focus the rogues, and I think they usually stealth every 25% of their HP or so goes missing, so once I get to around 80% of their HP missing or so, I immediately try to hit them with any number of stunning things I can.. they'll usually vanish as soon as the stuns and knockdowns wear off, but they're far lower when they come back, and usually that results in the second round of stuns finishing them off.

But yes, they are incredibly incredibly annoying. Sometimes though, I believe this is a bug, they'll stealth and I'll either A) be able to see them, or  hit them with an AoE out of luck and somehow this causes them to just start attacking someones face, ruining their opportunity for a backstab.

[YoLaGringo]

The rogues will almost always pick on your most vulnerable characters, so I actually move my mage(s) around when I see rogues go stealth and I have only been backstabbed twice in the whole game.

[Maverick827]

The way I've been dealing with enemy assassins is making sure the tank gets thread immediately and then using Stonewall or Barrier right before they get backstabbed while everyone else brings down adds.

Though I hear Warrior Hawke with Templar/Silence can prevent them from using backstab in the first place.

[ilostmycookie]

I always take out the low health grunts and then deal with those with higher healh. Though this is obviously easier for me, who is built for aoe. I can usually kill all the grunts within a couple seconds.

But yeah...those rogue's are scumsuckers. They can kill my mage, and merril very quickly if left unchecked. I always try to freeze them as quickly as possible.

[Jkol1]

It also helps to strategically relocate the fight.
Pulling your group down a cleared hallway works wonders because if you are far enough away respawns don't automatically attack you. This lets you manage a fight in smaller groups and lets you focus down the rogue sooner. You might even drop combat between waves and be able to save.

[nicodeemus327]

Keep your ranged classes away from the rogue. It should backstab the tank instead. Rogues are very susceptible to control and combos. Blow them up asap.

[SuicidalBaby]

First off, those potions you see the rogue drinking, are yours. The rogues have pickpocket and they will constantly steal your healing potions. If your tank is near the rogue when he pops stealth, Taunt. Have the dog out, hes constantly taunting. Glyph of paralysis/repulsion on the backs your squishies, stonewall the tank, barrier on squishies. Locking down the rogue with petrify, crushing prison, horror, glyphs, ice, all chained will = a dead rogue.

[Aesieru]

Yeah I'm not sure I have the points to have all those skills.

[SuicidalBaby]

Then you run if you dont have tank threat.

[Conduit0]

The easy way to deal with assassins is to use petrify/crushing prison/horror/etc on them and then sick your own rogue on them. A properly built and geared rogue should be able to decimate any non-elite mob before the control wears off.

[Jkol1]

Pretty sure the potion stealing is exclusive to nightmare mode. I think their healing is independent of stolen potions though because they always seem to have an unused stack on their corpse when I loot them.

Anyhow I can't recommend trusting cc because elite+ rogues seem to ignore effects like petrify and since the OP was talking about high health rogues I don't think normal mobs are the issue.
Then again I am running on nightmare, so I cannot speak to cc reliability on lower difficulties.

[SuicidalBaby]

Jkol1 wrote...

Pretty sure the potion stealing is exclusive to nightmare mode. I think their healing is independent of stolen potions though because they always seem to have an unused stack on their corpse when I loot them.

There are other modes being discussed here?

Anyhow I can't recommend trusting cc because elite+ rogues seem to ignore effects like petrify and since the OP was talking about high health rogues I don't think normal mobs are the issue.
Then again I am running on nightmare, so I cannot speak to cc reliability on lower difficulties.

I am talking about the toughest rogues in the game.  CC works.  Crushing prison may get resisited but it still ticks damage, Horror is right there after it and that ALWAYS works.  Horror works on pride demons.  And petrify has never not worked on a rogue.

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 14 mars 2011 - 08:23 .

[Jkol1]

Interesting. Petrify never works for me - it has gotten my Mage-hawke kidney holes beyond number... Even from the random street assassins in act 1. I'll have to take another look at horror though.

[SuicidalBaby]

I run with high magic low health mages. I hate being resisted.

[Morrigan the Witch]

That's why I play as a Rouge and use "inconspicuous". It's like they don't even know you're there.