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[Maria Caliban]

I've noticed that there are now red and blue varieties of lyrium. As lyrium is sometimes described as 'magic in its raw form,' I wonder what the difference is between them.

In the Deep Roads, the idol is slightly larger than the hand while when you see it again, it's managed to grow quite a bit. Is this a natural property of lyrium, that it grows over time? Or is the idol special? Will it grow in the presence of anyone, or do you need a special type of person?

Meredith is a templar and we know that templars blur the line between mage and non-mage. As a templar, she probably consumes a regular amount of lyrium.

She obviously uses the sword to channel energy as a mage would but she can't handle all of it.

I also noticed that there are veins of red lyrium in the Deep Roads. During your battle with the darkspawn, they'll sometimes flash similar, red veins on their skin.

Bartrand said that the lyrium sang to him. When Varric walks through the manor, he claims that there's a song but he can't quite hear the words. Darkspawn (and ghouls) hear the song of Archdemon. Andreste earned the Maker's favor because she was a beautiful singer, and the Marker will return when all chant (sing) his hymn.

According to the elves, the Creators were sealed in the Heavens while the Forbidden ones were sealed in the Abyss. Is it possible that different colors of lyrium come from different realms?

The Dwarves don't connect naturally to the Fade but is it possible they connect naturally to a different realm? The one that the red lyrium represents? Darkspawn also don't connect to the Fade but seem to draw their magics from their own taint. Given that the red veins appear on them, perhaps they are dwarves are naturally connected to one (red) realm while elven and human mages connect to another (blue) realm?

[Weaverjho]

From what we saw in the Lyrium Idol area in the Deep Roads. I'd heavily gained the assumption that there was at least a time an order of Dwarven Magi. Though at the same time, thinking they'd all been wiped out somehow. Except for a little boy named Sandal.
Though, color wise I believe the difference being that red lyrium is in it's pure form, and unchanged. Blue lyrium is alchemised, or something akin to that.

[Brockololly]

Interesting.

As far as the idol goes, I did pick up on Bartrand and Varric noting it singing to them and I too thought of the Old Gods call to the darkspawn. And then you have Nathaniel Howe down in the Deep Roads for the Wardens searching for that Thaig and the idol too.

[Maria Caliban]

It actually seems as though all lyrium sings to dwarves. We see both red and blue lyrium in the game so it's something more than it just being raw.

More than half the wealth of Orzammar comes from a single, extremely rare substance: Lyrium. The Chantry believes it to be the "Waters of the Fade" mentioned in the Canticle of Threnodies, the very stuff of creation itself, from whence the Maker fashioned the world. Only a handful of Mining Caste families hazard extracting the ore, finding veins in the Stone quite literally by ear. For in its raw form, lyrium sings, and the discerning can hear the sound even through solid rock.

[jeckaldied]

Lyrium itself is something that is one of my biggest fascinations in Thedas, especially with the Codex entry for it in Dragon Age 2, were it is mentioned that Lyrium can have memories imprinted in it, and some take this as a sign that Lyrium is in fact, alive. The fact that lyrium 'sings' and many major religious themes in Thedas revolve around singing, I wonder if lyrium had a heavy influence on the development of the religions (that's if your taking the 'none of the religions are right' theory, which I don't actually subscribe to)

[Eumerin]

iirc, while Lyrium Potions are blue in DA:O, Lyrium Dust (i.e. the stuff you use to craft Lyrium Potions) is a somewhat washed out shade of red.

[Statulos]

Maria Caliban wrote...

It actually seems as though all lyrium sings to dwarves. We see both red and blue lyrium in the game so it's something more than it just being raw.

More than half the wealth of Orzammar comes from a single, extremely rare substance: Lyrium. The Chantry believes it to be the "Waters of the Fade" mentioned in the Canticle of Threnodies, the very stuff of creation itself, from whence the Maker fashioned the world. Only a handful of Mining Caste families hazard extracting the ore, finding veins in the Stone quite literally by ear. For in its raw form, lyrium sings, and the discerning can hear the sound even through solid rock.

In the Dragon Age universe we know for a fact that living beings have a "spiritual essence". And we consider it a fact because that essence (let´s call it soul) goes to the Fade while sleeping. Even if the Fade is not tangible on the most pure sense, it is clear that it exists and so its inhabitants, deamons and spirits.

However, this does not apply to dwarfs who, are otherwise quite secular and down to earth (literaly) people. Maybe lyrium is the effect of "returning to the stone". Maybe lyrium is the effect of dwarven souls concentrated. And that leads me to the other Deep Roads inhabitants, the Darkspawn. And maybe they have a soul too (like we saw in Awakening), maybe their lives and souls get concentrated and create lyrium. Maybe that could be the connection: both peoples ¨listen¨ and what the Darkspawn get is just a very particular music produce in underground, the songs of the Old Gods (that can be dragons pumped by lyrium).

[barrelofmonkeyzz]

When you pick the stuff up as a crafting resource, it's called 'corrupted lyrium'.
I wonder if that's what the dwarves are referring to when they talk about cutting away the Gengue out of the Stone.

[Zanallen]

Lyrium is actually the radioactive remnants of the planet Lyria. After the planet exploded, the lyrium ore traveled across the galaxy and rain across Thedas. The force of impact caused the ore to bed itself deep into the earth. The various forms and colors of lyrium were created by the radioactive ore passing through mysterious cosmic clouds as it made its way to Thedas.

[MysteryNotes]

Zanallen wrote...

Lyrium is actually the radioactive remnants of the planet Lyria. After the planet exploded, the lyrium ore traveled across the galaxy and rain across Thedas. The force of impact caused the ore to bed itself deep into the earth. The various forms and colors of lyrium were created by the radioactive ore passing through mysterious cosmic clouds as it made its way to Thedas.

...Right.
And where did you pick up this information from?

[Zanallen]

MysteryNotes wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Lyrium is actually the radioactive remnants of the planet Lyria. After the planet exploded, the lyrium ore traveled across the galaxy and rain across Thedas. The force of impact caused the ore to bed itself deep into the earth. The various forms and colors of lyrium were created by the radioactive ore passing through mysterious cosmic clouds as it made its way to Thedas.

...Right.
And where did you pick up this information from?

Siegel and Shuster.

[Evil Asch]

*cough* Kryptonite *cough*

*is a nerd*

[heretica]

Maria your post was an interesting read. I also wondered that but I did not see any connection at that point.

[KenKenpachi]

Hmm interesting... Lets combine both to make Purple Lyium and see what happens!

[WhiteKnyght]

Well perhaps the old Thaig was actually an Arlathan ruin. Since the humans sank it beneath the earth when they enslaved the elves.

And the difference in lyriums could be related to the so called differences in magic.

Normal magic which runs on Mana has a blue aura like lyrium when its used, while blood magic has a red aura, not unlike the red lyrium when its used.

[Utoryo]

The Tevinter Magisters who supposedly physically entered the Fade used a *massive* amount of lyrium to do so. This is the same event that caused the creation of the Darkspawn. Maybe the lyrium itself was somehow responsible for the corruption...

Modifié par Utoryo, 14 mars 2011 - 02:55 .

[WhiteKnyght]

I personally don't think mages are as responsible for the Darkspawn as the Chantry claims.

From what the Chant of Light actually says and how the Chantry acts it seems as though they are twisting it around and ignoring simple logic in favor of blind hate. Andraste claimed that the magisters were responsible as she declared war. Could have easily been a lie, look at all the mud slinging between Bhelen and Harrowmont.

Also Andraste = Dreamer, not the Maker's Bride. How they described Feynriel's powers and what the Guardian and Phantoms in the Gauntlet described about Andraste makes it more obvious.

Not to mention Oghren could sense the mountain had a higher concentration of Lyrium than anywhere he had been.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 14 mars 2011 - 03:14 .

[RazorrX]

Andraste was a powerful mage if you listen to some of the legends. And she sang a song that converted masses (blood magic?).

The thing with Lyrium is interesting. I thought to touch unprocessed Lyrium was deadly to everyone but dwarves (and some dwarves go nutty from it).

[WhiteKnyght]

Well thats what a dreamer is. They can enter the Fade at will without Lyrium and control it and the world from there.

And according to the Guardian and one of the ghosts, Andraste would meditate for long periods of time and things like droughts and floods weakened the imperium.

That sounds like she was in the Fade pulling off some manipulation to me

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 14 mars 2011 - 03:54 .

[Evil Asch]

Bare in mind that Andraste etc existed a looooong time before the events of DA:O/Awakenings or DA:2 and her legend has been in Chantry hands for most of that time and open to manipulation. The quest for her ashes strongly implies there are some truths to the legend but again her tomb etc were built *after* she died and deliberately incorporated aspects of her myth so again while it strongly implies 'truth' in the legend it is not safe from manipulation or PR spin. Remember how twisted the story of the Champion became once in the public domain so to speak and she/he wasn't even dead and Varric (and presumably other companions) were still around to verify facts. Point is it's entirely possible for bioware to 180 our assumptions and knowledge of Andraste in DA3.

[LPPrince]

To be fair, it was probably Varric who created the "legend" of Hawke that is in most of the public's minds.

He just wanted to give Cassandra the true story because it might in fact help.

[Nimander]

I, too, doubt that the Chantry position is accurate. It's way too politically fitting as propoganda. Of COURSE Andraste would say the Tevinters created Darkspawn. Of COURSE she'd put all these evils on Tevinter.

Tevinter are amoral, definitely, but they aren't evil incarnate. They're basically Byzantium and Roman in flavor. Lots of corrupt politicians and nobles mixed with magic. Frankly, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and us to find out that Tevinter was 'right' and the real reason they were entering the Fade is the Maker was evil or something. I just really dislike the one-sided Tevinter-as-evil thing. It's not a nice place, but neither is Kirkwall in its own fashion. In D&D terms, Tevinter to me would be a LN culture with many oligarchs being LE.

[Evil Asch]

LPPrince wrote...

To be fair, it was probably Varric who created the "legend" of Hawke that is in most of the public's minds.

He just wanted to give Cassandra the true story because it might in fact help.

I'm not arguing that the spin is negative as such just that it almost certainly exists and therefore very little can be taken at face value. Besides if Varric hadn't fancied up the Champion's tale another story teller or bard woul have it's what they do.

[JamesX]

I am guessing that the Red Lyrium is the source of the Dark Spawns. At least the cause of it. The "song" thing is too close to what the Mother and Architect blathered about in Awakening.

ashthehorrorfan wrote...

*cough* Kryptonite *cough* 

*is a nerd*

*cough* I don't care Martha.  He has 10 fingers and 10 toes, we are raising him as our own.

Speaking of which... at the End of DA2, he is 10 years old already.  I wonder if he can fly or at least jump like Meredith yet.

Modifié par JamesX, 14 mars 2011 - 10:12 .

[Edge2177]

Bartrand spoke about 'feeding' the idol. That says something.