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[Oneiropolos]

 Okay, so we see alot of posts about Sandal's prophecy that he gives in act III, but there's also references to some other prophecies found in previous DLC's and in DAO. Like, if you start as a mage origins in DA:O, don't you run across a prophesying trevinter statue or am I getting that confused with a DLC? Does anyone have save files handy or ideas of what prophecies are where? Maybe we can piece them together all in one topic. I'd count Morrigan and Flemmeth's cryptic comments about the future too. 

[jeckaldied]

This is Eleni Zinovia's, the statue, prophecy from the mage origin:

"Weep not for me, child. Stone they made me and stone I am, eternal and unfeeling. And thus shall I endure 'til the Maker returns to light their fires again."
"The prison is breached. I see the encroaching darkness. The... the shadow will consume all..."

[Oneiropolos]

And we know Sandal's in DAII:
One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see.

So we have a reoccurring Shadow reference...

[Oneiropolos]

Does anyone have the Codex entry from inside the chantry, right behind where Sebastian and Grand Cleric Elthina stand? I can't remember what it's called to look it up, so if someone hasn't looked at it yet, I'd appreciate it. I can't remember if it talks about the future. I know it discusses how the first beings the Maker created were basically the spirits of the fade, and they didn't create anything like how he wanted, so then he created man and something about him waiting then? Ring a bell for anyone?

[Maria Caliban]

It also appears in the first game and it's not a prophecy.

There was no word
For heaven or for earth, for sea or sky.
All that existed was silence.
Then the Voice of the Maker rang out,
The first Word,
And His Word became all that might be:
Dream and idea, hope and fear,
Endless possibilities.
And from it made his firstborn.
And he said to them:
In My image I forge you,
To you I give dominion
Over all that exists.
By your will
May all things be done.


Then in the center of heaven
He called forth
A city with towers of gold,
streets with music for cobblestones,
And banners which flew without wind.
There, He dwelled, waiting
To see the wonders
His children would create.


The children of the Maker gathered
Before his golden throne
And sang hymns of praise unending.
But their songs
Were the songs of the cobblestones.
They shone with the golden light
Reflected from the Maker's throne.
They held forth the banners
That flew on their own.


And the Voice of the Maker shook the Fade
Saying: In My image I have wrought
My firstborn. You have been given dominion
Over all that exists. By your will
All things are done.
Yet you do nothing.
The realm I have given you
Is formless, ever-changing.


And He knew he had wrought amiss.
So the Maker turned from his firstborn
And took from the Fade
A measure of its living flesh
And placed it apart from the Spirits, and spoke to it, saying:
Here, I decree
Opposition in all things:
For earth, sky
For winter, summer
For darkness, Light.
By My Will alone is Balance sundered
And the world given new life.


And no longer was it formless, ever-changing,
But held fast, immutable,
With Words for heaven and for earth, sea and sky.
At last did the Maker
From the living world
Make men. Immutable, as the substance of the earth,
With souls made of dream and idea, hope and fear,
Endless possibilities.


Then the Maker said:
To you, my second-born, I grant this gift:
In your heart shall burn
An unquenchable flame
All-consuming, and never satisfied.
From the Fade I crafted you,
And to the Fade you shall return
Each night in dreams
That you may always remember me.


And then the Maker sealed the gates
Of the Golden City
And there, He dwelled, waiting
To see the wonders
His children would create.

--Threnodies 5:1-8

[Oneiropolos]

Hm, though the section:

Then the Maker said:
To you, my second-born, I grant this gift:
In your heart shall burn
An unquenchable flame
All-consuming, and never satisfied.


Is interesting. It's another reference to the flame/fire. What if theoretically, Sandal is saying ALL were given magic when they first started, but it somehow 'died out', resulting in non-mages. Maybe that's the magic coming back and "Everyone will be just like they were"? There was a book in Fenris's house that I think was also in the first game, but it discussed how the maker created spirits first and spirits became demons by watching mankind because the maker's creation created sin and so the demons yearn to be flesh too.

It's certainly an interesting concept if we look at the idea of the lost Arcane Warriors of the elves (referenced again in DAII in one book as defending one spot until they fell) and shapeshifting from the Chasind and Dalish magics. Could Sandal be practicing what is inherently the Dwarven magic and no one understands because he's the only one left? I mean, we see golems in areas long before they should have been 'invented' in DAII... what if "Enchantment" and runes could activate golems without sacrificing lives before? That would make what was done later the Dwarven equivalent of 'blood magic'.

Then we have to consider the old gods and their corruption, and whether they're the same as the Elven forgotten ones. If they are, do we also need to wonder if the elven gods who were trapped in the sky are actually real too? Merrill insists there are no good spirits, but we know there are, which reaffirms at least that part of the Chantry's teachings. Fenris doesn't like the statue in your house because he says it reminds him of the imperium old god ones. Are their old gods the same as the dragons who get corrupted for the blight? If so, why the statues that don't look draconic at all when we know the archdemon is a dragon?

Flemmeth says something about change is coming and the abyss... which is the same term used for where Merrill says that the forgotten ones are trapped. May be coincidence. I don't remember Flemmeth's exact words, though, and do any other characters talk about shadows or fire? They seem to be the consistent 'key words' that pop up.

[Evil Asch]

I always took that passage to refer to human striving, reaching for success, happiness etc and never being satisfied. *shrug*

[trembli0s]

Then again, non-humans like dwarves and elves don't believe in the Maker or the Chantry's stories for the Blights. If I remember correctly Justice says in Awakening that spirits don't actually know if the Maker exists and demons don't really care either way.

[Oneiropolos]

It COULD only be a reference to human ambition, but in the whole Chantry thing, we also have the eternal flame. If I remember correctly, it gets referenced in DAII again in an amusing story of how one of the previous Divines tried to lead a war and the others (think it was mages?) locked themselves into the chantry itself, and snuffed the "eternal" flame. This apparently went on for some time, both groups yelling at each other from a distance to work out a compromise. The eternal flames are a reference to Adraste dying in the fire. and aren't supposed to be allowed to go out. So we know the Chantry/Maker are tied explicitly with fire as a symbol. So it's hard to say. We do know the infamous line of the chant that magic was created to aid man and not to rule over him. Which implies it may have been much more natural at one point amongst the mortal races.

I'm thinking we're going to see a blending that each of the religions had a section that was right, I think we'll end up seeing that the Maker really exists, but we KNOW the archdemons are supposedly corrupted old gods, and the wolf from the Dalish legends may play a big part too. It's quite possible we'll end up seeing a blending of the beliefs, like everyone managed to get a fraction right before the truth was lost. Which makes knowing all of the cryptic remarks in one place valuable.

[Ealos]

The talkative man in the Hanged Man says that there are more mages around now than when he was young. Though he's not giving a prophesy, or indeed at all reliable.