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[Tripedius]

It's a gimmick and it feels as such too much. Homosexuality doesn't seem to be a part of in game society except in the brothel, where you can order a male or a female. Also it is kind of akward when your male party members make remarks towards you and or react badly cause of not swinging that way. Maybe a solution is to add sexual preference to character creation and thus making it an integral part of someones character and not something that's open for everyone to just try and experience.

Modifié par Tripedius, 14 mars 2011 - 09:47 .

[NotFrom4chan]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

NotFrom4chan wrote...

Honest question since I didn't have the wisdom to try this myself, could women romance morrigan in DA:O?

No, Morrigan and Alistair were both straight, while Zevran and Leliana were bi.

Then I am truly sorry.

Since I'm going to get banned sooner or later, I may as well do it now. DA2 was clearly written by a combination of homosexual men (David Gaider) and yaoi fangirls.

[GregoriusMaximus]

All those people complaining about the bisexuality (and I noticed many of the threads asserted this was the result of some sort of "PC" lobbying...)

Consider this: The reason they made everyone bisexual is that it meant they didn't have to write entirely new scripts and plotlines for male/female Hawke. So the conclusion is... Dragon Age 2 was a rush job, not that there is some sort of "homosexual agenda". I would prefer it if they gave each of the companions their own sexual preference (although Freud would have us believe that in such a culture, they might well all be bisexual), but that's way down the list in a number of things I think this game did terribly and half-assed.

elecmanexe001 wrote...

 but also mentioned elsewhere before how its
easy for the boy love to get started but much harder with the women.

Stop the presses! Men in being-more-sexually-promiscuous shocker!! What exactly is surprising about the idea that men are easier to get into bed than women? Not to mention they included the ridiculously ****ty Isabela, which gives a lie to your claim anyway. Are you saying that getting with, say, Fenris is easier than getting with Isabela in DA2?

The other complaint - that the male characters are too flirtatious - is the silliest. The people making these complaints need to travel more. In a world where there's no social taboo against homosexuality, it's perfectly likely and commonplace that men might comment on each others' looks or make flirtatious comments. Anyone who's studied classics - or been to Greece rofl - will understand that sort of thing would be perfectly consistent with certain cultures, particularly one in a world devoid of Abrahamic religion. The "uneasy feelings" you get are a product of your culture and your upbringing and so Americans and the occasional country bumpkin Brit (because let's face it, that's who's complaining) need to understand that the producers of DA are hardly going well out of their way in creating a game world along these lines. You choose to play their game, a role-playing game in a fantasy world. Pretty retarded then to complain that it doesn't conform to your parochial reality. Do you complain that there's no democracy in DA2? No? Then why should it conform to your cultural paradigm in any other regard?

Lastly, I just don't agree that you get "punished" for not being gay in this game. That's f*cking nonsense. I've managed to friend all the male characters to the max without sleeping with them. .. and as for Anders; ffs they give you the option to tell him you disapprove of being gay, and they even play the creepy music when he hits on you - what more do you want?

[FellowerOfOdin]

As usual, as long as Bioware refrains from letting us run directly in m/m romances, I am fine with their decisions...I am fine with f/f romances as they are nice to watch even for heterosexual men.

I hated Zevran though, while officially, he was supposed to be bi, he certainly was a pretty clichée gay character with that nasal voice, his favor for girl's stuff (shoes) and overall, he just made a pretty unmanly impression. To be fair, Bioware had you run straight into him, but you were given the opportunity to kill him at first sight and thus you really had a nice choice whether you wanted him in your party or not....definitely among my favorite decisions in the game

That being said, let those who want them enjoy their m/m relationships as long as those who do not like those are not forced to run into one of them. If a party member tried to romance me...it would have to leave the party...one way or the other.

[Ashaman X]

I don't know, I think that making all the LI's bi is the best BioWare could do to try and appease everyone. In Origins, lots of people wanted to romance Morrigan as a female, Alistair as a male and this wasn't possible without mods. One could say that it is perhaps a little bit of a copout, but it caters to everyone. Provided it's well written, I don't think the romance suffers because the character is bi. In future games, it would be ok if some characters are bi and some are straight, as a matter of personality. High profile LI's are always going to be wanted by both sides, but a mix could work better in future games perhaps.

[GregoriusMaximus]

I hope the developers don't bow to the prudes; seriously, you want to play an RPG in a non-Earth setting... but you want the culture to be the same as yours... WHUH?

[Perles75]

I don't really understand why people bother so much. Straight romance options are very much present (all the companions that are LIs can have straight relationships), so what's the problem for the straight players if there are also gay romances? Nobody forces you to pursue them, you know.

Regarding the "gay advance", it can very well happen in real life, and as in real life you can just say "no thanks" (and, again, nobody forces you to keep that companion in the party, if this bothers you a lot). No big shocker here too

[FellowerOfOdin]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

I hope the developers don't bow to the prudes; seriously, you want to play an RPG in a non-Earth setting... but you want the culture to be the same as yours... WHUH?

You obviously do not realize that Dragon Age takes place in a classical High Fantasy medieval world that basically is our own medieval culture with the element of magic added. Indeed good sir, now isn't that ridiculous, seeing your own culture in a fantasy world that's supposed to take place in the same age we went through on earth? 

[stu117]

maybe they shouldnt make advances but your char can so i dont lose friend points. apparently bioware objects to dudes just bein bros!

[Perles75]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

I hope the developers don't bow to the prudes; seriously, you want to play an RPG in a non-Earth setting... but you want the culture to be the same as yours... WHUH?

You obviously do not realize that Dragon Age takes place in a classical High Fantasy medieval world that basically is our own medieval culture with the element of magic added. Indeed good sir, now isn't that ridiculous, seeing your own culture in a fantasy world that's supposed to take place in the same age we went through on earth? 

This doesn't mean that it's a lock, stock and barrel transposition of our medieval times, though...

[Hope Slayer]

Tripedius wrote...

Maybe a solution is to add sexual preference to character creation and thus making it an integral part of someones character and not something that's open for everyone to just try and experience.

^^^This I totally agree with.^^^

I'm not gay nor am I a homophobe but I hate having the gay/lesbian thing thrown in my face during a video game.  If you could select your "preference" upfront and not have to worry about which end of the subject matter you will run into in game I'd be totally fine with that, though I do see the comedic value of Zev. 

[Godeshus]

Tripedius wrote...

It's a gimmick and it feels as such too much. Homosexuality doesn't seem to be a part of in game society except in the brothel, where you can order a male or a female. Also it is kind of akward when your male party members make remarks towards you and or react badly cause of not swinging that way. Maybe a solution is to add sexual preference to character creation and thus making it an integral part of someones character and not something that's open for everyone to just try and experience.

I think this is one of the smartest things posted on the subject, and really hope Bioware listens to this.

it's smart because it allows people to customize their character, rather than the game, making it a more presonal choice.

I disagree with it being an option in settings because you don't have an option to turn off hetero context. I know most people who disagree with homosexuality don't see it this way, but it is a very normal and natural thing, even throughout the animal kingdom. It doesn't affect you if you don't want it to. You don't think to wonder if someone is hetero, so I don't see why we should stop to wonder, or care, if someone is ******.

Not trying to brag, but women hit on me and ugly women have hit on me. I didn't feel awkward nor did I feel the need to be cruel when I say 'no, not interested'. Not even if they persist. These are completely normal human behaviors and it just doesn't bother me. I'm just not interested. The same philosophy applies to gays, and when they hit on me. I just don't care. I say no. If they are physically aggressive about it it's a different story because that's unacceptable in any situation; man to man, man to woman, woman to man or woman to woman.

[Godeshus]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

I hope the developers don't bow to the prudes; seriously, you want to play an RPG in a non-Earth setting... but you want the culture to be the same as yours... WHUH?

You obviously do not realize that Dragon Age takes place in a classical High Fantasy medieval world that basically is our own medieval culture with the element of magic added. Indeed good sir, now isn't that ridiculous, seeing your own culture in a fantasy world that's supposed to take place in the same age we went through on earth? 

And that was a time on earth when homosexuality was much more accepted than it is today.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Yes, having such an option would be the best solution; maybe have it work similar to a gore filter thus you can select at start whether you want gay romances in your game or not, preferably with a more detailed choice between m/m and f/f.

[Perles75]

Hope Slayer wrote...

Tripedius wrote...

Maybe a solution is to add sexual preference to character creation and thus making it an integral part of someones character and not something that's open for everyone to just try and experience.

^^^This I totally agree with.^^^

I'm not gay nor am I a homophobe but I hate having the gay/lesbian thing thrown in my face during a video game.  If you could select your "preference" upfront and not have to worry about which end of the subject matter you will run into in game I'd be totally fine with that, though I do see the comedic value of Zev. 

Sorry, but if you were not a homophobe you wouldn't have any problems to see those very few hints at homosexuality in a game that you interpret as "things thrown in your face".
If you are bothered that <cannot-name-the-character-because-it-is-spoiler> had a boyfriend, that's your problem.
Please assume your homophobie and you'll feel better

[GregoriusMaximus]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

You obviously do not realize that Dragon Age takes place in a classical High Fantasy medieval world that basically is our own medieval culture with the element of magic added. Indeed good sir, now isn't that ridiculous, seeing your own culture in a fantasy world that's supposed to take place in the same age we went through on earth? 

No I obviously didn't realise that, what with the almost non-existent similarities with Medieval Christendom and all... What next, are you going to moan about the lack of Morris dancing?!

[Gary the Gnu]

Godeshus wrote...

And that was a time on earth when homosexuality was much more accepted than it is today.

So was beastiality, but it isn't properly represented in this game, is it?

/edit
*bestiality (sp)?

Modifié par Gary the Gnu, 14 mars 2011 - 10:20 .

[GregoriusMaximus]

Godeshus wrote...

And that was a time on earth when homosexuality was much more accepted than it is today.

Correct. It's a common misconception about the Middle Ages that the period was characterised by gay persecution. That only started when certain Kings realised they could do away with people they didn't like by criminalising homosexuality and throwing accusations at these people. Culturally, gays became a scapegoat for a lot of society's ills, just like Jews in 30s Germany. Prior to this, we know at least from sources that "naughtiness" at the male bathhouses (which were where people bathed in the Middle Ages) was prevalent.

Homophobes might want to consider the extremely irrational nature of their distrust and its roots. A lot of their "reasons" for distrusting gays might as well have come out of some sort of gay version of Der Ewige Jude. Absurdly cherrypicked factoids and pseudo-science do not a rational argument make.

[Perles75]

Godeshus wrote...

Tripedius wrote...

It's a gimmick and it feels as such too much. Homosexuality doesn't seem to be a part of in game society except in the brothel, where you can order a male or a female. Also it is kind of akward when your male party members make remarks towards you and or react badly cause of not swinging that way. Maybe a solution is to add sexual preference to character creation and thus making it an integral part of someones character and not something that's open for everyone to just try and experience.

I think this is one of the smartest things posted on the subject, and really hope Bioware listens to this.

it's smart because it allows people to customize their character, rather than the game, making it a more presonal choice.

The problem is actually more practical... if you restrict the choice of LIs to four companions, it's already a pretty narrow limit. To cover all the possible combinations, this means that there would be only ONE LI for straight males, one for straight women, one for gays and one for lesbians.
And of course this means that people would be very unhappy because many wouldn't like the only companion they can romance.

So, if you want to get a more customizable sexuality, you HAVE to open up the number of LIs to at least double if not more. And I'm afraid this would bring to a big mess (besides, do you think they can develop 10 interesting and worth romancing characters?)

[GregoriusMaximus]

Gary the Gnu wrote...

Godeshus wrote...

And that was a time on earth when homosexuality was much more accepted than it is today.

So was beastiality, but it isn't properly represented in this game, is it?

/edit
*bestiality (sp)?

Bestiality... and your argument is reductio ad absurdum, bestiality has no connection to this discussion. Bestiality is illegal, many countries make it illegal for media to portray bestiality or paedophilia; so they are prevented from putting this in. I admit, it would be hilarious in the extreme if there was bestiality, but again this is an entirely different subject.

[sonsonthebia07]

I don't particularly care for it, but as long as it isn't forced upon me, I don't mind it. I understand the necessity of it when a good chunk of this community that plays this game seems to be homosexual from what little time I've been around these boards. Having every character be bisexual just to please the fan base isn't the best way to go about it though. I have not experienced this in-game since I don't even have it yet, but if they aren't rehashes (gay and straight romances being identical) and if each character was actually written to be bisexual then I guess it's fine, but it seems odd.

[Gary the Gnu]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

Bestiality... and your argument is reductio ad absurdum, bestiality has no connection to this discussion. Bestiality is illegal, many countries make it illegal for media to portray bestiality or paedophilia; so they are prevented from putting this in. I admit, it would be hilarious in the extreme if there was bestiality, but again this is an entirely different subject.

I bet sucking a penis or bum shagging in public is illegal too. isn't it?

[Godeshus]

Gary the Gnu wrote...

Godeshus wrote...

And that was a time on earth when homosexuality was much more accepted than it is today.

So was beastiality, but it isn't properly represented in this game, is it?

/edit
*bestiality (sp)?

And so was slavery and so was rape and so was extorting cerfs and so was murder and so was crime in general and so was the proscution of women and so was torture and so was public executions.

I must have missed your point, I guess.

[Fragger666]

I dnt like homosexuals. When that magic guy tried to hit on me I was all like gtfo man...

[Zeppeli]

I think that is stupid the change of sexual identity based on yours character sex.... I think is more right that any character has his own identity, ******, bi or other... But only one... In real life no one is always bisex, so it is thinkable that when you create a character, you are giving him\\her a fixed identity, with all the consequences.... Like if i'm ****** and try to romance someone who isn't, we can have some interesting development without romance....Maybe a fight, maybe a break-up on the friendship side... These developments are also interesting as a romance finale....