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[ragnaven]

I found this as just lazy programing and not a value judgement on homosexuality. It was just easier to program everyone that was romance optional as being open to any romance. They didn't have to put in code to program the people to notice what sex you were playing as when it came to romance. Why do I say this, because you can sleep with the hole party and no one will have an issue with it. If they had put in the time Isabella wouldn't care if you were doing others but I think Merril would. Instead it just looked like they clicked a check box and made certain people okay to sleep with.

[Hroftt]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

Hroftt wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

i don't see why people are whining it is all OPTIONAL

 When you play with your kids near and some of sick "companions" openly offers gay sex?

 Optional?


 This is just disgusting. 

Yes, dumbf*ck, you chose to play an adult-rated game around your kids. GG, you certainly have the moral high ground over those "disgusting" homosexuals.

 Its ok for kids to see some violence, i myself had a lot fights - so whats wrong with kids being near game if good old violence (which makes Man out of men). I just ask not to show openly in this game some things that are disgusting.

 p.s. i am not native speaker so sry for grammar

Modifié par Hroftt, 14 mars 2011 - 11:23 .

[Hroftt]

 To GregorMaximus:

 That i play game with Mature rating, doesnt mean it will have filthy and sick things in it.

Modifié par Hroftt, 14 mars 2011 - 11:22 .

[GregoriusMaximus]

Look, there's no way of putting this softly: nobody gives a sh*t about your 3rd world Dark Age culture that considers mild flirtations between men to be "filthy and sick"

The box says it has adult situations...

Modifié par GregoriusMaximus, 14 mars 2011 - 11:23 .

[ji.Ruichi]

When there is sex, it is rated an adult game. When there is homosexuality, it is EA game= extremely adult game.

[GregoriusMaximus]

ragnaven wrote...

I found this as just lazy programing and not a value judgement on homosexuality. It was just easier to program everyone that was romance optional as being open to any romance. They didn't have to put in code to program the people to notice what sex you were playing as when it came to romance. Why do I say this, because you can sleep with the hole party and no one will have an issue with it. If they had put in the time Isabella wouldn't care if you were doing others but I think Merril would. Instead it just looked like they clicked a check box and made certain people okay to sleep with.

Thankyou! Well said.

[Jackal904]

Thunderbringer wrote...

I'm gay, but I dislike the "everyone is bi" route they went with this game. If it works for everyone else, that's fine but I'm not a huge fan of it.

Yeah. I'm hetero, and I have absolutely nothing against gay people, but I thought the "everyone is bi" route was also strange. It's just unrealstic. It felt like they just made everyone bi to shut up those that demanded homosexual relationships. Anders came off as an obvious hetero in Awakening, now suddenly he becomes bisexual in DA2? It just doesn't make sense.

Also, I've never heard of a guy that's bisexual. But then again Dragon Age takes place in a world unlike the real world, so I guess BioWare can do whatever.

[Chopper_Dave]

Godeshus wrote...

My own thoughts and reasons for this thread.

1.Those who dislike seeing the homosexual content need to understand that it is important for the gay community to be represented.

Why isnt the homophobic community represented? Where everytime a companion displays homosexual tendencies the main character rebukes them with a backhand to the face.

Games dont need to start representing communities, period.

[Kenthen]

I have no problem with a character being homosexual, or even bisexual in a game like this.
The one problem I can see with this approach is that everyone, no matter which way they swing to, might find the romances kinda watered down when it's handled like this.

I haven't had the time to try any romance yet other than Isabela with a male Hawke as I only just finished my first playthrough but it seemed to me like the romances are now, well, simple and interchangeable if that makes sense.

[Perles75]

Hroftt wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

i don't see why people are whining it is all OPTIONAL

 When you play with your kids near and some of sick "companions" openly offers gay sex?

 Optional?


 This is just disgusting. 

When you watch TV news or shows with your kids near and you see all that violence and nudity? optional? this is just disgusting!

[Aurgelmir]

RohanD wrote...

Bioware I get what you're trying to do, and it's good, but just make it a freaking option at the start of the game when you choose your gender. It is not hard to code all you have to do is a simple check against the sexual preference of the player when displaying romance options.

switch("sexualPreference")
{
case "gay":
showGayOptions();
break;
case "lesbian"
showLesbianOptions();
break;
case "bi"
showAllOptions();
break;
default:
showStraightOptions();
break;
}

I don't care about romances in games, it's sad and lame to me, but it's obviously a huge part of your appeal to a lot of people. Might as well do it right as not to ****** those people off.

This. Its a simple fix and everyone is happy.

[Hroftt]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

Look, there's no way of putting this softly: nobody gives a sh*t about your 3rd world Dark Age culture that considers mild flirtations between men to be "filthy and sick"

The box says it has adult situations...

 Since you are Blessed inhabitant of First Rate Country with true democracy (in fact, you probably was just born in that Sun Touched country), you should give me right to have my own opinion too.

Since democracy means, i have right not to be harmed by actions of some other. So they should keep their ****** advances to them.

[Gary the Gnu]

Chopper_Dave wrote...

Why isnt the homophobic community represented? Where everytime a companion displays homosexual tendencies the main character rebukes them with a backhand to the face.

Games dont need to start representing communities, period.

^Thank you. 

If I were a gay man/woman I'd be ashamed that the gay community is being exploited...just for sales..

[Gibb_Shepard]

I'm not a homophobe, but this game really took gay to the next level. For god sake, Fenris AND Anders hit on me in my FIRST conversation with them. That really left a sour taste in my mouth about their character. Not to mention Anders did not seem the least bit gay in DAA, and his personality changed a ridiculous amount, but thats for another discussion.

Then there's the blooming rose. When choosing between the 3 prostitutes, there is always 2 males and one female.

It seems BW really wanted to get across that they're not afraid to overcloud heterosexuality with homosexuality.

[Dia2blo]

^Some of the comments made by other characters are constantly about sex anyway! I don't think homosexuality is the issue here. People just like to make a link as the latter is easier to flame, as they simply do not understand or accept it.

As for your post Alneverus, I don't think that is the point, the simple fact is that the characters in this game do develop an attraction for your character, whether that is Bioware's attempt to please all, is up to debate, but in my experience, they definitely do not cater their characters' preferences for the fans. I think they are just trying to show a world where people are comfortable and open with sexuality, where being interested in both genders is normal, that people can look past gender.

My biggest problem with the complaints in this thread, are in relation to the fact that people just immediately get angry because supposedly you cannot be a friend with someone in the game without them "jumping your bones." This is not the case in any way, and it seems like everyone just immediately reacts angrily to any advances. The simple fact is, anyone in real life can choose to flirt with someone, and in a similar way, in the game you can choose to react negatively, or just dismiss it as casual flirting. It seems like people here are hungry for a more extreme option.

[malakian]

I find your 'moral' choice of putting a violent 18 rated game in front of kids sick, Hroftt, and I no doubt attribute that to your fights that 'made a man' out of you. One to many knocks to the head.

Yeah, the world is different Jackal...I mean there are dragons in it. But still I do see your point, having that many bisexuals could be a bit anti-immersive if you get to the point where you're thinking what a ho everyone is. It's not something I'd find jarring but maybe not overdoing it would be more sensible in regards to a character personality spread.

[Perles75]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

@Alneverus

Like I say, it was "changed" because having different sexualities would mean Bioware had to write different dialogues altogether for male/female Hawke .

But isn't this what it is made in DA2? I looked a bit around and the companions seem to propose quite different lines if you are playing a male or a female Hawke.

I really think that the "all bi" option, which is -again- not true, was made mainly to limit the companions with whom you can have a romance to four.

[Perles75]

Dia2blo wrote...

^Some of the comments made by other characters are constantly about sex anyway! I don't think homosexuality is the issue here. People just like to make a link as the latter is easier to flame, as they simply do not understand or accept it.

Agreed ^^

[Hroftt]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I'm not a homophobe, but this game really took gay to the next level. For god sake, Fenris AND Anders hit on me in my FIRST conversation with them.

 THIS.


p.s.
 There are more ****** and bi then normal people in this game.

 Its a message about Bioware devs preferances? since its not justified by setting in any way (yes, i read all lore)

[wildfly]

Gabey5 wrote...

i don't see why people are whining it is all OPTIONAL

yes, as a salesman entering your home trying to sell you some junk is optional.
i don't say homosexuality is junk. simply there's too much of it in DA2. all the love interests starting with anders (look at his reletionship with his poor friend), the borthel, the quest with the boy who ran away with the 'strong qunari' etc. everyone generously want to give you some gay love
in DAO there was zevran, but you could tell him you're not interested and that was it. i love the quests and everything, but kirkwall reminds me of a homosexual-oriented society, like ancient greece or medieval japan.  in both societies the role of the woman was mainly sitting at home, and when the guys wanted equal partners to communicate on the same level (as intelligent, as strong) they had to turn to man.

also, think of a way you choose your partner. i, for example most probably won't chose a bi in RL for a partner.
for me, sexual orientation is one of the criteria when chosing partners. if the only common interest between us is that we both like man, well it's not gonna work.

i think, there should be straight and homusexual option in the game, not the mixed companion who is still not sure who is he/she. i understand it's more scripting but it's worth it. both for us, poor straights and the gays.

[Navasha]

I don't see that it matters that the content is present. If you don't like it then don't try to romance people of the same sex. It is really that easy. I have had no problem getting any of the NPCs to 100% friendly without ever choosing the romance option for them. There is PLENTY of opportunities to raise their friendly score without trying to sleep with them.

[Dia2blo]

Once again, everyone, I don't think the point is that everyone is "gay" in this game. I think it is just supposed to be a world where everyone is open as far as sex goes. Also, because two of your companions are potential LIs, doesn't mean everyone is gay anyway, and reading any further into that is a sign of you focusing too much on trying to find fault.

E.g. the way that Isabela is bent over that bar, Miranda style, or how Aveline compliments your appearance etc. there is a multitude of straight couples and related content, and in fact,  I noticed no gay subtext beyond your companions.

Also, so what if Bioware decided to make some characters gay in this game? I think people need to learn to be more tolerant of others and to be honest such a response from characters shouldn't affect you anyway.

Modifié par Dia2blo, 14 mars 2011 - 11:38 .

[malakian]

wildfly wrote...

also, think of a way you choose your partner. i, for example most probably won't chose a bi in RL for a partner.
for me, sexual orientation is one of the criteria when chosing partners. if the only common interest between us is that we both like man, well it's not gonna work.

Might be fine if youre up for a spit roast.

(ps I mean an outdoor cooking of a hog on a summers day. With two men and one girl present, that's all.)

[Hroftt]

Navasha wrote...

I don't see that it matters that the content is present. If you don't like it then don't try to romance people of the same sex. It is really that easy. I have had no problem getting any of the NPCs to 100% friendly without ever choosing the romance option for them. There is PLENTY of opportunities to raise their friendly score without trying to sleep with them.

 
 Its ok that from first lines of new companion he offer gay sex?

 Its ok that all companions that can be romanced, are bisexuals or homosexuals? Yes, all of them.

[this isnt my name]

Jackal904 wrote...

Thunderbringer wrote...

I'm gay, but I dislike the "everyone is bi" route they went with this game. If it works for everyone else, that's fine but I'm not a huge fan of it.

Yeah. I'm hetero, and I have absolutely nothing against gay people, but I thought the "everyone is bi" route was also strange. It's just unrealstic. It felt like they just made everyone bi to shut up those that demanded homosexual relationships. Anders came off as an obvious hetero in Awakening, now suddenly he becomes bisexual in DA2? It just doesn't make sense.

Also, I've never heard of a guy that's bisexual. But then again Dragon Age takes place in a world unlike the real world, so I guess BioWare can do whatever.

Agreed (except the guy bisexual part, really ? why cant guys be bi ?)

it just feels like its closer to a dating sim, becuase everyone was hitting on you no matter ho you are, and its just not realistic.

I find hrofft to be a trol.