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[SLPr0]

Its not so much about nudity as it is the potential of revelation that really makes "nudity" a first step in any process of making a game look better aesthetically.

I have to give BW their due, they apparently figured out how to make far more impressive base body models, I really do not see a lot of room for improvement on what they've done there, its all in reworking the armor and clothing meshes now.

The best armor/clothing mods in any modifiable game aren't the ones that completely exploit the fact that nudity is there, but the ones that tastefully harness it to make the eye and the mind do the rest of the work.

A good example of this in the base game is Isabela's base outfit as compared to just about everyone else in the game, the tall thigh boots in a proper period style, the loose sailors tunic with a sash and a deep cut v-neck, showing off just enough thigh and cleavage to make the mind do the rest of the work, she was masterfully redone, from her DA:O form, and whoever designed her armor mesh went right down the exact right lines.

Now, I do think having sex with her would have been more interesting had that stuff come off, it would have been a bit more realistic and BioWare has shown in many situations they can do nudity in a tasteful manner. Nothing wrong with that.

Anyways, I'm running off at the mouth here, but its not the nudity that really counts, its what the nudity leads to, which is the creation of new/editing of existing meshes to make them a little racier and sexy that is the true goal. Isabela's set a nice standard for how to show it off without throwing it all out there for the eye to see. Hopefully the mesh developers out there will take that as a hint...don't need another port of "Amy Armor" into DA2, to be frank, what we need is stuff that really takes advantage of the new art we've been given. And learns from the examples the game gives us.

I will state the underwear bases for males and females are a mesh layer, so its not a simple case of photoshopping out some painted on underwear, whether BW paid any attention to the details underneath those meshes is yet to be seen.

Modifié par SLPr0, 14 mars 2011 - 08:57 .

[Kanjii9446]

Cambios wrote...

Misterpinky0 wrote...

Things like fan-made game balance and unofficial balance patches always wait. The first thing somebody modifies in a game is nudity. Wait another day or two. I'm sure somebody will announce plans for it.

And yet somehow we still don't have one!

What gives? 

I liked in DA:O how you could add one that made them nude instead of their underwear, which meant nude only when you took their armor off. Unfortunately, since you can't take their armor off in DA2, our only option might be nude all the time.

Well there is a mod that allows you to take their armor off and give them whatever u want on.. Maybe with cooperation it would work.

[DigiFluid]

Cambios wrote...

Misterpinky0 wrote...

Things like fan-made game balance and unofficial balance patches always wait. The first thing somebody modifies in a game is nudity. Wait another day or two. I'm sure somebody will announce plans for it.

And yet somehow we still don't have one!

What gives? 

I liked in DA:O how you could add one that made them nude instead of their underwear, which meant nude only when you took their armor off. Unfortunately, since you can't take their armor off in DA2, our only option might be nude all the time.

I think it should still be possible, shouldn't it?  When I shagged Merrill in the game, Hawke was down to his skivvies and she was wearing....well, what looked a bit like a 1-piece bathing suit's lovechild with a corset.  Needless to say I didn't see these outfits anywhere else in the game, so I think it should be possible to mod nudity in just for the romance/sex scenes.

[JamesX]

DigiFluid wrote...

I think it should still be possible, shouldn't it?  When I shagged Merrill in the game, Hawke was down to his skivvies and she was wearing....well, what looked a bit like a 1-piece bathing suit's lovechild with a corset.  Needless to say I didn't see these outfits anywhere else in the game, so I think it should be possible to mod nudity in just for the romance/sex scenes.

It is the standard Elven Underware.   You see it in a few cutscenes.  And a Professional in the Blooming Rose also wears it as her work uniform.

[DigiFluid]

JamesX wrote...

DigiFluid wrote...

I think it should still be possible, shouldn't it?  When I shagged Merrill in the game, Hawke was down to his skivvies and she was wearing....well, what looked a bit like a 1-piece bathing suit's lovechild with a corset.  Needless to say I didn't see these outfits anywhere else in the game, so I think it should be possible to mod nudity in just for the romance/sex scenes.

It is the standard Elven Underware.   You see it in a few cutscenes.  And a Professional in the Blooming Rose also wears it as her work uniform.

Mm, good catch.  Didn't think of those.

Still, in context I think it would still make at least some sense even if the same nude body model/skin was used for those several instances.  The Blooming Rose is a brothel, after all.

Modifié par DigiFluid, 14 mars 2011 - 10:13 .

[Anier]

Nashiktal wrote...

Yup nudity more realistic. Which is why all my companions gone and went commando in the middle of a battlefield. What better way to distract the enemy?

high fives ya lol yea who wouldnt do a doubble take and get distracted by isabella  or  morrigan or bethany being naked  other than some demons or darkspawn yea its really  a immersion thing for nudity in the right places or for just the sheer fun of admireing your alter ego or our party and maybe bioware should add more romantic moments to the game in the future could be some thing as simple as a kiss under the rain with isabella snuggled close a light touch when the rest of the party isnt close bfore a big battle a sweet nothing to say after a rescue or quiet moment a glance in battle things to show conecto to who you choose to romance and love  in more ways than  just  smmoth talking and  sex scenes maybe a scene  when ya give a greally good gift that  they absolutly love like a kiss or hugg or a slightly ****ry jesture to show theyre falling for who they choose

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

I'm just continuing to laugh at how chaste romances are in this game. Granted, I never romanced Fenris or Anders (ugh), but romancing Isabela and Merril while fully clothed is, I suppose, Bioware staying true to their word that there wouldn't be anymore granny-undies-sex scenes.

Not that the sex is terribly important or anything, but geeze. I think you get more risqué scenes in a Disney film.

[GRX Dragon]

Arrtis wrote...

Why?
What makes people want this more than anything?

The DA series is an M-Rated RPG; it's only logical that such would have more immersive sexual content.

P.S. No one has sex in their clothes.

[mesmerizedish]

DigiFluid wrote...

I think it should still be possible, shouldn't it?  When I shagged Merrill in the game, Hawke was down to his skivvies and she was wearing....well, what looked a bit like a 1-piece bathing suit's lovechild with a corset.  Needless to say I didn't see these outfits anywhere else in the game, so I think it should be possible to mod nudity in just for the romance/sex scenes.

The only thing sexier than Lady Hawke in her undies is Merrill in her undies. That's actually not true. The scene in which we're introduced to Isabela made me "Whoah." But I still love the elven underwear.

That said, sex with clothes on is dumb.

[Heldenbrand]

I really wish they would have just gone the Mass Effect 1 route. That seemed like the most genuine and realistic love scene where clever shadow play and camera angles masked the gratuitous nudity. Saw the nude modifications for Origins; still couldn't compare to the sensuality of seeing the buckled down Ashley Williams creeping along a dark bed with only a silhouette.

[pumpkinman13]

From a non infantile point of view, even a reworking of the underwear models for some of the cutscenes would be a massive improvement. Female Hawke and Merril lying on the bed... dear lord the bodies looked positively horrific.

[Cambios]

pumpkinman13 wrote...

From a non infantile point of view, even a reworking of the underwear models for some of the cutscenes would be a massive improvement. Female Hawke and Merril lying on the bed... dear lord the bodies looked positively horrific.

What I wish Bioware would do, is render the sex scenes to the best of their artistic skill, but give them some kind of non-granny underwear.

But design the models in a way that it would be relatively easy for modders to come behind later and remove the underwear layer, while adding whatever extra bits (nipples, pubic hair, and small or large dangly parts depending on the case) would be needed.

They stay true to their M rating without getting harsh media reaction for a full on nude sex scene, but those of us who want an immersive scene can get it via mods.

[Arrtis]

Nvm

Modifié par Arrtis, 15 mars 2011 - 05:26 .

[Kanjii9446]

I think the reason why they didn't put a nudity button in the game. Is because they can't control who's playing the game, and what age they are. Strick legal reasons

[mesmerizedish]

Kanjii9446 wrote...

I think the reason why they didn't put a nudity button in the game. Is because they can't control who's playing the game, and what age they are. Strick legal reasons

A kid can legally see an R-rated movie with exposed breasts (which is the sauciest a Dragon Age game would ever get without modding). The video game industry, like the film industry, is self-regulated. There's no law against kids playing M-rated games. Retailers just agree not to sell it to kids under 17 so that legislators don't make a law.

That said, I think it does have a lot to do with PR. I mean, nipples get way out of hand once the media gets a good pinch in.

[Sarielle]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

but romancing Isabela and Merril while fully clothed is, I suppose, Bioware staying true to their word that there wouldn't be anymore granny-undies-sex scenes.

I've only seen one "sex scene" and it was more a pre-cursor to sex than actual, you know, sex. But, I vastly prefer it over the granny-undies-sex. When it fades to black, I can pretty well picture what happens next I honestly don't see the need for a nude mod this time around. I only installed one for DA:O because of said granny panty sex. Just...no.

And speaking of undies, they're actually rather cute this time! I'd wear Hawke's set.

[TallBearNC]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Kanjii9446 wrote...

I think the reason why they didn't put a nudity button in the game. Is because they can't control who's playing the game, and what age they are. Strick legal reasons

A kid can legally see an R-rated movie with exposed breasts (which is the sauciest a Dragon Age game would ever get without modding). The video game industry, like the film industry, is self-regulated. There's no law against kids playing M-rated games. Retailers just agree not to sell it to kids under 17 so that legislators don't make a law.

That said, I think it does have a lot to do with PR. I mean, nipples get way out of hand once the media gets a good pinch in.

Not quite right. In many states it's actually ILLEGAL to sell a M rated game to someone under 17. The retailer can get heavy fine and penalties, and the employee who sold it can be fire and encur fines as well. I know I live in one of the state where it's law.

[Anier]

yea we can thank jack tompson and sara palin and a few others i think for those laws imho im glad tompson got disbarred tho the guy was a few cards shy of a full deck the way he was going with things

[aduellist]

Anier wrote...

yea we can thank jack tompson and sara palin and a few others i think for those laws imho im glad tompson got disbarred tho the guy was a few cards shy of a full deck the way he was going with things

Way to throw a pointless political snark into a thread demanding "mo' bettah" CGI sex scenes in a vidoe game.

Given the ubiquity of porn on the internet, I fail to see why this becomes a "must have" for so many folks.  Full-on sex scenes do nothing for the storyline or the game, other than provide distracting tittilation.  If you can't figure out what goes on after the fade out, you're too young to see such a cutscene anyway.  This clamoring for nude mods and more explicit sex scenes does nothing more than reinforce the worst stereotypes of games and gamers.

I did use Natural Bodies and Realistic Look in DA:O in order to get body models that I found aesthetically pleasing.  I would have been quite happy with one that had a decent underwear texture.  Downloaded a "Better Sex Scenes" mod to find out what the fuss was about, then deleted them because, imho, they detracted from the game.  They weren't very good and used up time I could have been playing.

Like I said: if you want porn, watch porn.  Lord knows I'm certainly a happy consumer of high-quality porn.  I don't need to waste time on low-quality porn in my games.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Princess Katrina wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Why?
What makes people want this more than anything?

I'm not sure I would go so far as to say I want it more than anything, but I'm an avid opponent of censorship and the very backwards concept of "modesty." 

Ah yes, that old "modesty is backwards"... thing.  Whatever.

[Flargjad]

Depicting making love is WRONG!

Need more child murder & debauchery

[Boh22]

We WILL have sex!

[Cambios]

aduellist wrote...

Given the ubiquity of porn on the internet, I fail to see why this becomes a "must have" for so many folks.

...

Like I said: if you want porn, watch porn.  Lord knows I'm certainly a happy consumer of high-quality porn.  I don't need to waste time on low-quality porn in my games.

Its funny how you don't see the way your "argument" proves the point of the folks who want the nudity added, rather than what you think it proves.

If people wanted nude mods, or better sex scenes, simply for the titilation factor, they'd just tab out and load up youporn or any number of a gazillion free porn sites out there.

People want the nude mods and the nude sex scenes for the immersion. For the same reason movies will have sex scenes when called for, and even top flight actors/actresses are often more than happy to "get naked" for them.

[Anier]

this isn't about porn in game its more about connecting with our hawke or warden to the love we chose in game in a more realistic way and draw us in endearing us to the story more and it just doesn't fit right without nudity and yes we can figure out whats going on or imagine it like in fable but it just isn't very memorable and why does having sex mean the end of a relationship or flirting in a game it should make it more so add little moments to the game to  show a lasting connection i know Merril does this some maybe gentle touch a kiss maybe even sneaking morein sex to make it a real relationship is the main point would you have sex with someone with theyre clothes on or not whisper sweet nothings from time to time to the one you love it just jars the romantic feelings and in a game like dao or da2 without the romance its just a generic rpg to save the world or defeat the boss and while that can be fun it doesnt bring things together as completely

[Death Nova]

DigiFluid wrote...

Cambios wrote...

Misterpinky0 wrote...

Things like fan-made game balance and unofficial balance patches always wait. The first thing somebody modifies in a game is nudity. Wait another day or two. I'm sure somebody will announce plans for it.

And yet somehow we still don't have one!

What gives? 

I liked in DA:O how you could add one that made them nude instead of their underwear, which meant nude only when you took their armor off. Unfortunately, since you can't take their armor off in DA2, our only option might be nude all the time.

I think it should still be possible, shouldn't it?  When I shagged Merrill in the game, Hawke was down to his skivvies and she was wearing....well, what looked a bit like a 1-piece bathing suit's lovechild with a corset.  Needless to say I didn't see these outfits anywhere else in the game, so I think it should be possible to mod nudity in just for the romance/sex scenes.

Before I begin this post I will save everyone the time and properly announce that my name is Dustin; and I'm a perv.

Having that out of the way; I think DAMM and the Natural Bodies 3.0, with the Zesty scenes fleshed out; no pun intended (as in it was completely deliberate); the game. It inserted, into a long line of battlefields, a human moment; a more authentic looking human moment.

CASE
1. You are a Grey Warden, and the fact that you have ingested an archdemon/darkspawn blood cocktail means you are going to die; not as in the Sylvia Plath, 80 year, we are all dying sense. Rather, as in, even if the darkspawn don't get you on the battlefield tomorrow, you are still going to die a decaying, mindrending, death.

After this news; and guys, back me up on this one...

Two thoughts; rum, women

2. The human condition is one in which religion, sex, and money are the cause of every, or intertwined with every, war; even down to your neighborhood domestic dispute. If you are making a game meant to express, or identify with, the human condition, and you have not included htese elements; which are timeless and never expire; no one gets tired of making money, having sex, or expounding their philosophy and just quits, never returning to "duty." If you do not have these elements, you have failed to identify with humanity.

Even beyond war, in its complete absence; be honest with yourself; You never, just out of morbid curiousity, have wanted to see multiple people, animations of people, naked? Show me that person and I'll show you a member of a distant alien asexual race, with no interest in the comparisons between differentiated RNA compounds.

Having risked identification as a horny toad, I recite a passage from Ron White's comedy, "...and guys back me up on this one. Once you have seen one woman naked; you wanna see the rest of em naked. She could be an old biker chick..." At the end of a battle; you just gotta have a nudist camp.