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[TobiTobsen]

Am I the only one who thinks that the Arishok was right all along?

Everyone in the city seems to be paranoid, selfish or corrupt and whatever side I took in the end, it didn't felt right for me. The templars are a bunch of maniacs who tranquil everybody that looks funny at them and 3/4 of the mages seem to be bloodmages that use the phrase "I had to defend myself!" as an excuse.
Maybe the Qun would've given the city some kind of stability instead of a major crisis every year.

[Icy Magebane]

Sorry, but I value free will more than peace. There is no way that I would be willing to submit to the Qun. The Arishok was a decent enough fellow, and I respected him in a way, but taking people's right to choose their destiny and placing them into a rigid caste system? No thanks.

[Dileos]

To be honest every major faction had me wishing for a "screw this, I'm going back to Ferelden" line.

Seriously, Hawke would have been much better off just moving to Denirim with the cash he got after the blight ended.

[NarcissaArtois]

I respected what the Arishok said about the "criminal" elves. How their crimes were a symptom of the system. I applied that theory when choosing a side at the end.

[TobiTobsen]

Dileos wrote...

To be honest every major faction had me wishing for a "screw this, I'm going back to Ferelden" line.

Seriously, Hawke would have been much better off just moving to Denirim with the cash he got after the blight ended.

Exactly! I was wishing for a "Screw you guys! I'm going home!" line all along. Kirkwall seems to be filled with bat**** insane people. No reason to stay there after poor Leandra was killed.

[Algus]

The Qunari are like the Borg of the Dragon Age Universe. They sing a sweet song but I sure as hell wouldn't want to live like that.

Also I was lulzing when I told him that chaos was good and he was all, "WTF human"

[Sonris89]

He might have been intelligent and right about the people, but I find the Qun horribly backwards and closed minded. You are your role? Can't choose anything but to fail or succeed at that? a rigid caste system? Sexist? And have you seen what they do to mages? They think just talking to them shoots demons out of their mouth. Add unreasonable paranoid and superstitious to the mix. Not to mention expansionist that seeks to wipe out all non Qun culture.

[Red Templar]

If siding with the Arishok and turning the city over to the Qun was an option... I would have gone with it. The Arishok is awesome, and the Qunari rock some pretty solid truths.

Back in Origins, I used to roll my eyes at Sten's pretentious "the Qun would improve your people" attitudes, but encountering the Arishok in Kirkwall made me come around to some pretty major Qunari sympathy. A culture that is honourable to a fault and doesn't let whiny individualism get in the way of social well being or the rule of law, wherein even the lowest of the low embraces their place in society and is honoured for it, and where even the rebels are so dutiful that they conform to a very specific role of rebellion? I'll have my ticket to that place, please. You can be sure that if Thedas was united under the Qun, the major conflicts of both games would have been overcome without any nonsense.

[Jayce]

The Qun are no better than the Templars, they ultimately want to impose rigid order and control on society. I'm not much of an anarchist but both groups made me want to buy a Guy Fawkes mask and a black chapeau and start blowing up large parts of Kirkwall.

Modifié par Jayce F, 14 mars 2011 - 02:06 .

[KenKenpachi]

With some moderation I would for sure have sided with the Qunari I agree with many of there views. "Free Will" has its place, and those where it doesn't belong, how many nations have a competant leadership in place now given Democracy? Or a pretty face, or person who when they speak makes you nod your head. Some aspects of society could use Meritism.

[MCPOWill]

Jayce F wrote...

The Qun are no better than the Templars, they ultimately want to impose rigid order and control on society. I'm not much of an anarchist but both groups made me want to buy a Guy Fawkes mask and a black chapeau and start blowing up large parts of Kirkwall.

Like a certain mage that at the endgame that we all know... 

[MCPOWill]

Whoops double post.

Modifié par MCPOWill, 14 mars 2011 - 02:12 .

[VettoRyouzou]

It a very odd area I did agree with the arishok on allot.. but in the end if order can only be kept threw slavery.. then what good is order?

[RazorrX]

I actually did use his head for a gravy boat. ;P

Qunari are cool to a point, but the whole qun with its roles, the way they treat mages, etc. pretty much assures that I would resist them. My hopes are that they and tevinter will wipe each other nearly out, so the rest of the world can clean up what is left and move on.

[Red Templar]

Jayce F wrote...

The Qun are no better than the Templars, they ultimately want to impose rigid order and control on society. I'm not much of an anarchist but both groups made me want to buy a Guy Fawkes mask and a black chapeau and start blowing up large parts of Kirkwall.

It is substantially different though. The templars impose order on a minority of society for the greater good and for the wellbeing of the rest of the populace. The qunari don't just impose rigid order - they convert, they improve, they change society to the point where it works without the need for tyranny; what do you need heavy handed force for in a culture where everyone willingly conforms? Sure, there is precious little freedom and flexibility in it... but individualism is a small price to pay for a society that achieves perfect rule of law without corruption or abuse. People who convert to the Qun are happier for it, and their society truly seems to be about the good of the whole and unfailing honour. A society where even the lowest of the low is honoured and respected for playing his role in the Qun is more noble than the ambitious, cutthroat culture that humans have cultivated.

The Qunari culture is very stern, but there is a certain nobility of spirit and refreshing honesty in it that I find appealing.

Modifié par Red Templar, 14 mars 2011 - 02:22 .

[QwibQwib]

The whole world is corrupted, but even the Q are selfish, people a fighting to be free. I'd hate to be submitted in their ignorance and sexism, but that's just me

[Sonris89]

Red Templar wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

The Qun are no better than the Templars, they ultimately want to impose rigid order and control on society. I'm not much of an anarchist but both groups made me want to buy a Guy Fawkes mask and a black chapeau and start blowing up large parts of Kirkwall.

It is substantially different though. The templars impose order on a minority of society for the greater good and for the wellbeing of the rest of the populace. The qunari don't just impose rigid order - they convert, they improve, they change society to the point where it works without the need for tyranny; what do you need heavy handed force for in a culture where everyone willingly conforms? Sure, there is precious little freedom and flexibility in it... but individualism is a small price to pay for a society that achieves perfect rule of law without corruption or abuse. People who convert to the Qun are happier for it, and their society truly seems to be about the good of the whole and unfailing honour. A society where even the lowest of the low is honoured and respected for playing his role in the Qun is more noble than the ambitious, cutthroat culture that humans have cultivated.

The Qunari culture is very stern, but there is a certain nobility of spirit and refreshing honesty in it that I find appealing.

Are they honest? they seem to enjoy lieing by ommission alot and I think they can do anything if the Qun (their leader caste) tells them too.

[KenKenpachi]

QwibQwib wrote...

The whole world is corrupted, but even the Q are selfish, people a fighting to be free. I'd hate to be submitted in their ignorance and sexism, but that's just me

Dunno if I'ld call them ignorant considering the idea's they run with are working. And more importantly they build cannons. Won't be surprised if when we next see them they have mass produced rifles.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 14 mars 2011 - 02:30 .

[Layn]

Dileos wrote...

To be honest every major faction had me wishing for a "screw this, I'm going back to Ferelden" line.

Seriously, Hawke would have been much better off just moving to Denirim with the cash he got after the blight ended.

THIS. at so many points i felt like walking away from all that crap. it was clear that everything was going to hell and there was nothing to do about it.

honestly every faction was right and every faction had the wrong solution and every faction thought their solution is the right one. that's the tragedy of the situation and why this story was great

[AnotherAD]

The Arishok was right about certain points about Kirkwall. The problems in Kirkwall is fault of the people that are in charge. You had/have a City Guard Captain that was corrupt, a Chantry and Templar's that are complete opposite of what we see in Ferelden. Elves in general are still treated as dirt.

So compare to the Qun, Kirkwall is the most uncivilized society compare to them. The Qun is about order, you interrupt their order you die. And to some their order is a lot better then what the rest of Thedas would treat them.

[Kohaku]

I agree with TobiTobsen and Dileos. I would have taken the first boat back to Ferelden if that was a option and let them all self destruct. Fenris and Anders would have come with me though. I can't get enough of them being at odds. I wonder if Kirkwall has the most unstable people in all of Thedas. Damn sure feels like it.

Meredith and Orsino are eating healthy does of crazy flakes in the morning.

[Red Templar]

Sonris89 wrote...
Are they honest? they seem to enjoy lieing by ommission alot and I think they can do anything if the Qun (their leader caste) tells them too.

If lying by ommission is even a lie... look at why they do it. Is it for personal gain, their own advancement, or one upping each other? No, it is for duty. They do not speak of things they are not meant to speak of. They conform to what they are supposed to be, what their society needs them to be. Even why they lie, they are honourable about it.

[Tleining]

Red Templar wrote...

[...]
You can be sure that if Thedas was united under the Qun, the major conflicts of both games would have been overcome without any nonsense.

not really. The Qunari have a deep aversion towards Magic. The Banter between Sten and Shale showed that Shale would not exactly be free in the Qunari Society. It would be Control Rod all over again. And the Grey Warden, who are needed to stop Blights, are essentially Magic Creatures. The Darkspawn can sense them, and after 20-30 years, the Taint takes over. So every Qunari Grey Warden would need a Guard, not to mention that at Birth, someones role would be to be tainted. I can't really see them do that.
Plus, before Origins, the Qunari didn't even know what a Blight is.

Also: Forcing a Religion on a huge area would cause quite a few problems.

[rma2110]

My Hawke would have happily sailed off with Isabella had the option been there. Templars and mages be crazy.

Modifié par rma2110, 14 mars 2011 - 02:56 .

[Layn]

rma2110 wrote...

My Hawke would have happily sailed off with Isabella had the option been there. Templars and mages be crazy.

*sigh* even the companions were sick of it... and yet Hawke stayed for 7+ years