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[Phex]

The only things I found a bit negative are the recycled dungeons and a rather small amount of one on one companion chats (compared to Origins, that is). Sometimes I wouldn't bother exploring the dungeon properly because I knew the layout already, and just ignored any new chests or codex entries that might have been there... Which I think is quite a bad thing. I also didn't like how the dungeons would be the same cave layout with random doors blocking areas because the map wouldn't reflect this and I found myself losing track of where I was going.

HOWEVER, Dragon Age II has an absolutely brilliant story. It put me through such an emotional rollercoaster that I felt completely drained after completing the game. The decisions I have to make throughout the game are so difficult! I set out to play my first playthrough with a clear idea of what my character would represent and believe in, and by the end of the game I didn't know what I should think because everything had just faded in a shade of grey. I applaud BioWare for the brilliant story, and will definitely play DA3 if it comes out. I mean, when it comes out. There HAS to be a third.

P.S. DA2 made me laugh and smile way more than Origins did. It also made me blink my eyes more than once because I'm a big softie.

Modifié par Sefferz, 14 mars 2011 - 07:29 .

[Rawgrim]

I like DA2, but I don\\ t love it. Same goes for DA:O, actually.

[Cyocide]

Yet, despite these flaws, I'm enjoying it a lot more than I ever enjoyed DA:O

Yes. This. So at times I'm like, "Really? Another wave from within this cave? Nightmare indeed." (The Blackstone Promise, anyone?), but when victory finally comes it does feel well earned. So much of it just *clicks* as you go along and it really feels like an active place at times. I love leaving my house alone or just with my sister and wandering the city, picking up my friends as I go before setting off on whatever we're gonna do that day.  The progression of time is compelling, I'm interested to see what comes of my choices, something I had to wait until the Epilogue for in Origins. That first missing year really needed a little backstory or something though.

Also, the ability trees are sexy and well documented in-game.  Chamelon's breath is just so damn versatile... protect your tank, hide your mages, setup a double backstab.  And as a former nwn shadowdancer I practically nerdgasmed at the Subterfuge and Shadow trees. The game seems to be choking me out when it comes to gold. I've played 30 hours and have about 22 gold; Spent it all last night on a Tome of Technique. There goes my Deep Roads investment.

All in all, I really love it. It rises above. Just take a bit more time next time, Bioware, we'll gladly wait.

Edit: The poster after me reminded me. Yesterday I played from like 10am to Midnight? lmao

Modifié par Cyocide, 14 mars 2011 - 07:37 .

[bullman422]

I could nit pick with the games flaws and compare how  DA:O did some things better; however, after seven hours of non stop gameplay it is rather hard to say that the game is a disppointment. 

So Yes!  In short I love DA:2 too

[Osena109]

 DA2 is win  but there are gaps  like only giveing us  7 years  not the full ten so i think there well be some nickle and dime DLC's  and   am hopefull  for a  30 hour XPack lol

[Elite Midget]

Well, look at the brightside.

Unimportant characters in DA:O got more of a spotlight in DA2. Such as Merill who only appeared in the optional Dalish Origin is now a full fledged LI!

She's like... An Elf version of Tali.

[clanogrady]

I rather liked DA2, I thought the story was much better presented. Combat was faster paced and combat seemed better balanced between the classes. I liked the talking and the conversations seemed more reactive and realistic though the whole probing into a persons whole life in Origins was fun as well. The story line/choices wasnt as expansive in terms of the epiloge but there was an immediate impact in the story from the previous actions such as recurring characters and revengeful actions taken against you and such. It brings a consequence to your choices. It is a good game.

[tank born]

DA2 is a great game like all games theirs always something that can be done better but its alot better then fable 3.

[billybobjones]

Reacher Gilt wrote...

To put it simply to the OP: You're wrong. DA2 might not be an objectively bad game, but the Title is Dragon Age 2, and compared to Dragon Age: Origins it quite simply fails in every aspect of design and execution.

They essentially took the least important aspects of Origins, the combat and graphics, and made them the focus of the game. This came at the expense of the story (disjointed and unengaging) characters (shallow archetypes) and environment (Kirkwall has more in common with a prison than a city.)

This game isn't The Empire Strikes Back, it's Attack of the Clones. All flash and no fury.

Shallow archetypes? hardly. The game certaintly had problems (recycled areas, muddled overarching plot that ended abruptly, scaling in certain places) but I thought the chracters were the best that bioware has ever written. They start off as an "archetype" but then they develop and grow. This aided through excellent party banter, and little things such as seeing Anders treat Isabella at his clinic and Veric paying people off so that Merrill doesn't get mugged gives you the sense that they care about one another.

In fact, since your thesis is essentially "DAO was better than DA2 in every way", you are quite hypocritical in this respect. The characters in DAO, while good, were much more archetypes than those in DA2. Morrigan was so OMGZ I HATZE EVEAHREYONE it was unbelieveable (and despite me romancing her, she never improved, wish I had manced Leliana) and the problems extended to the others. Sten was stoic. period. ogrhen is a funny and interesting chracter, but he doesn't show tons of depth past his drunk dwarf antics. He shrugged off me killing his wife as though it were nothing, for petes sake! Leliana was interesting, but there should have been more dialogue to explore her further (though that does show that they succeeded in making her a good character ). Alastair was another chracter who was great for what he was, but lacked depth. Wynne was boring as sin. Zevran was interesting, but Zevran=Isabela for comparison purposes.

To conclude, while I liked the DAO characters, they didn't have as much depth as those in DA2.

[wolvklawz]

No you aren't. I too enjoy DA 2. Don't get me wrong, there are things here that should not have been done and I am annoyed they were. When I buy a sequel to an RPG I expect it to be bigger and badder. The reused enviroments and boxed in feel, no that was stupid. For part 3 they need to open the world, enough of this select your area type stuff. Give us the world of Fereldan to actually play in, not just a sand box.

[Syagre]

So far (25hours and still in act 1) I am enjoying it a lot. Sure, the game isn't perfect (redundant areas, enemy waves), but to me there are positive aspects of the game ("tree of quests", kirkwall's layout showing its backstory, the companions, voiced main character having more personality,...) that clearly outweights the bad.
I don't see how DA 2 "fails in every aspects of a RPG, compared to DAO", as I often see around here. If it's about the redundat areas: DAO had its share of "corridor areas" and repetitive backgrounds. Combat is less different than it seems, particularly if the difficulty requires of you to pause the game and choose the actions. The game looks better. Side quests are more elaborated. So, "failing in every aspects", I can't see that.

[BigSlick]

I'm with you. I think DA2 is a great game.

[gary5877]

I'm in two minds about getting it after some of the questionable things I've heard from the community.

[ZiggyZiggy]

I really enjoy DA2. I specifically like the reuse of caverns and locations, because it allows designers to put out more quest content. Plus, the locations we have are really nice, and allow for some cool tactical maneuvering. I like balconies, stairs, multiple entrances to a room, and ledges for enemy mages to teleport to. I enjoyed DA2 dramatically more than I enjoyed DA:O. I played BG2 and TOB about 20 times each, and DA2 has really captured that feel for me. The depth of gameplay seems better than DA:O: I like being able to counterspell enemy casters, set up cross class combos, and I love enemy waves and the different boss phases. I see so many complaints on the boards, I'm hoping the designers won't go backward =D.

[Odd Bet]

Personally, I loved DA2. I think that it is a great game, though it does have its flaws, just like all games. If the Dragon Age team can take what they've learned from DA2 and continue to develop their craft, I think the future of the series is very promising.

[HTTP 404]

Count me in as one that loves DA2, flaws and all.

[Cyocide]

This aided through excellent party banter, and little things such as seeing Anders treat Isabella at his clinic and Veric paying people off so that Merrill doesn't get mugged gives you the sense that they care about one another.

Isabella at the clinic. If I'm interpreting it correctly that is so fun of absolute win. Filthy minx.

The depth of gameplay seems better than DA:O: I like being able to counterspell enemy casters, set up cross class combos

OMG @ Cross class Combos. They are so brutally vicious. When that initial opener is successful and I see those lil status symbols I get this feeling of instant overwhelming urgency, like I imagine a tiger to have when its about to pounce on its prey. Its delicious. =P

[kesayo2]

No, it's an awesome game.
This is how I see it.
I paid $60 and am having an awesome time.
They paid the same $60 and are miserable.
I won.

[Yeti13]

I loved it, even more than the first one, it's just opinions, unfortunately people who didn't like don't realize they don't have to play/ complain about it just sell it and move on so the people who do like it can discuss it, the same goes for ME2

[KealaFerret]

I'm operating on waaaay too little sleep today after actually getting to crack it open yesterday. That probably says what I think.

I'm actually enjoying it. I'm still early in, but the combat felt a lot more fast paced, and inventory... wow! I sat down to play some DA:O recently and the first 20 minutes were making sure my companions were outfitted, and getting rid of stuff I didn't need. I don't feel like my stuff owns me anymore. I love having a voiced character! There is something awesome about picking something and getting the line delivered, that feels like there's actually interaction. That the game is smart about it helps as well; while the dialog wheel may make choices a little too easy in spots, the tone of your character's voice does change based on the choices you make. It's actually a pretty cool system: http://dragonage.wik.../Dialogue_Wheel

Grain of salt, of course - I have a lousy attention span, which means 1) it takes a lot to keep me interested, but the counter to that is 2) I'm not always the best judge on mechanics because I'm just too busy having fun.

I haven't yet done the "where did the last 16 hours go and why are we out of soda and chips" trick from Jade Empire, nor gotten so distracted I caught a bag of popcorn on fire (darn you Batarians, your timing on attacking me sucked), but we'll see.

[Tiercel24]

I'm loving it just as much or more than Origins. The combat is fun, characters are awesome. Hawke has become one of my favorite all time Bioware characters along with Merrill.  Love all the character interaction. I really like how the story is told differently than the usual epic and of course with every Bioware game I get the awesome amount of replayability.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...
I agree Dragon Age II is far better than Dragon Age: Origins  in almost everyway (except for Hurlocks redesign)

 Did you like the Ogres? I thought they looked a bit silly.

 Other than the lack of enviromental variety, the lack of reasoning behing the PC's actions and some of the music I thought it was pretty good. Still, another year in developement would've been for the best.

The orgers are OK, not best redigisgn and not the worse redesign I've see.

I think given the game is essentially a flashback told from Varric's POV and a little input from with what I guess is Hawke's journal (the book Cassandra throws at Varric and stabs with a dagger in the opening) my guess is that the darkspawn's redesign is how Hawke (or whoever drew in it) remembers the darkspawn looking or it shows Hawke's artistic talent (or lack there of).

[BCRLarias]

Cyberstrike, that's actually a really interesting interpretation.

I really want to know what's up with all of my characters. I'm excited about the possibilities for DA3 and even DLC for DA2.

[The Velveteen Rabbit]

I'm loving DA2 so far. I mean, there are a few things that I think could be better, but right now I'd say it at least rivals DA:O on my list of favorites RPGs.

[Ballistic714]

No you are not the only one who loves DA 2. I don't have much to say that hasn't been said, except that I am loving the game too! Just wanted to chime so you'd know you weren't alone out there. There isn't nearly enough DA2 love on the boards, it was nice to see the positive feedback.