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[Nonoru]

This again ?

Modifié par Nonoru, 14 mars 2011 - 06:02 .

[Paul E Dangerously]

cosgamer wrote...
Dragon Age, however, did not.  To make it worse, DA 2  being rushed and subpar is an obvious grab at the quick cash cow in an attempt to take advantage of Origins' success.  No game with DA 2's short development time can come out as worthy.

Fallout 2 was released exactly one year after the original Fallout. I believe that's considered "worthy".

[Kane-Corr]

I just love how people complain about not being able to dress up there companions as if they were their nanny or something! Honestly people, it's not realistic. You don't dress up your friends on a journey...you worry about yourself. That is essentially what Bioware has done. It's a roleplaying game for YOU, not anyone else...not your Elf friend, or your Asari lover...but for YOU. And, you should have no effect on what your companions become (class-wise, etc.). Never should you be God in a videogame.
Also, the way the quests were set up was actually great. Start out small scale, and finally through the years, work your way up the ladder. Was realistic and done well.
DA:O was not played by many people because of how archaic and unneccessary some features were. Those things take away from teh experience of the story, plot, and characters. Yeah, less means less in some regards, but not for the bigger picture.

[Scitsce]

another useless Witcher is best...why so f*****g hate towards DA2 its exelent game only real problem is reuse of maps....and yes befere you start to attack me i like Witcher and preordered W2

[slimgrin]

Randomjob wrote...

I like everything about The Witcher EXCEPT for its gameplay. I hate how you HAVE to use the middle mouse button to rotate the camera around in the over-the-shoulder view (every other game it is the right mouse button...and The Witcher doesn't even let you change this setting).

I also think the combat in general is stupid, and Geralt looks stupid doing it.

But story, and all the other RPG aspects are great.

???

You shouldn't have to press any button to steer the camera in ots mode.

[Scitsce]

cosgamer wrote...

Sopa de Gato wrote...

cosgamer wrote...

Oh, Sopa, you really have to ask how DA 2 is less of an RPG?

No isometric view, little to no NPC customization, lack of choice ramification, enemy wave spawning, the way the quests are handled, set main character with no characterization from the player.

I could go on and on and on, but I won't.  Please learn what a true RPG is.

- Viewpoint does not an RPG make.
- Where does customization end, and generic slatehood begin? Should every party member be a blank slate with just different personalities and dialogue? DAO let me make Wynne a Blood Mage. How about Allistair the Reaver? Or Morrigan the Spirit Healer? Do these make any sense within the context of the story or the character's personality? DA2's changes make sense. Isabella wouldn't know what to do with a bow. Anders wouldn't stoop to blood magic. Etc, etc.
- Enemy wave spawning - Origins did this to some extent as well.
- Set main character with no customization. Ever heard of a game called Baldur's Gate? No matter what you did, you had the exact same backstory and exact same quests no matter what. Did that make it any less of an RPG? Hell, Jade Empire? KOTOR? Neverwinter Nights? Should I keep going?

Hell, you're trying to defend the Witcher, which has the exact same "single character" syndrome!

I don't have to defend the Witcher.  As for the single character syndrome, I had no problems with the Witcher being that.  As stated, it started out that way and will remain that way.

Dragon Age, however, did not.  To make it worse, DA 2  being rushed and subpar is an obvious grab at the quick cash cow in an attempt to take advantage of Origins' success.  No game with DA 2's short development time can come out as worthy.

did you played the game because after reading your posts i have feeling you dont even know what you talking about(like half of "fan" reviewers on metacritic )

[Sacred_Fantasy]

CLime wrote...
The Witcher is strictly a solo affair while DA2 pride itself on its companions.  

Origins can pride itself. DA2 on the other hand, hurt me by restricting my interaction with my companions following Mass Effect 2 example. I cannot support this. BioWare strongest point is always about third person party based interaction. But now they tainted the companions with betrayal, limited interaction ( 3 to 4 dialogues per act ), unimpressive personalities, lack of armor customization ( boring look ) and I don't care about them as much as I cared about DA O companions. BioWare has lost their strongest point that now I have to consider whether to follow up their next direction with DA 3 or completely abandon BioWare games. Had it's not for my enthusiasm  for Morrigan in DA 3 and toolset to create my own character and standalone adventure, I would have removed BioWare from my RPG developer listing.  

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 14 mars 2011 - 06:23 .

[randName]

I liked both Witcher and DA:O.

I had issues with both, I have issues with DA2, I believe I'll have issues with W2, but I hope it will be as good as the first, but I believe that it will be better.

Don't care if one series is better than the other; and I hope the best for both.

[Scitsce]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

CLime wrote...
The Witcher is strictly a solo affair while DA2 pride itself on its companions.  

Origins can pride itself. DA2 on the other hand, hurt me by restricting my interaction with my companions following Mass Effect 2 example. I cannot support this. BioWare strongest point is always about third person party based interaction. But now they tainted the companions with betrayal, limited interaction ( 3 to 4 dialogues per act ), unimpressive personalities, lack of armor customization ( boring look ) and I don't care about them as much as I cared about DA O companions. BioWare has lost their strongest point that now I have to consider whether to follow up their next direction with DA 3 or completely abandon BioWare games. Had it's not for my enthusiasm  for Morrigan in DA 3 and toolset to create my own story and adventure, I would have removed BioWare from my RPG developer listing.  

So game is bad because you cant change companions clothes....and dialoges with comp. i think its better this way because after half of game they didnt have nothing else to say

[Scitsce]

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Modifié par Scitsce, 14 mars 2011 - 06:27 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Scitsce wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

CLime wrote...
The Witcher is strictly a solo affair while DA2 pride itself on its companions.  

Origins can pride itself. DA2 on the other hand, hurt me by restricting my interaction with my companions following Mass Effect 2 example. I cannot support this. BioWare strongest point is always about third person party based interaction. But now they tainted the companions with betrayal, limited interaction ( 3 to 4 dialogues per act ), unimpressive personalities, lack of armor customization ( boring look ) and I don't care about them as much as I cared about DA O companions. BioWare has lost their strongest point that now I have to consider whether to follow up their next direction with DA 3 or completely abandon BioWare games. Had it's not for my enthusiasm  for Morrigan in DA 3 and toolset to create my own story and adventure, I would have removed BioWare from my RPG developer listing.  

So game is bad because you cant change companions clothes....and dialoges with comp. i think its better this way because after half of game they didnt have nothing else to say

Actually more than I but I choose to response to few aspect in regard to OP.

[phxplayer]

bump

[Myounage]

There's a big difference. The Witcher does these things well. Dragon Age 2 does them very poorly.

[Tirigon]

Thanks for this useless thread, I didn´t know TW2 was released already. Now I know i have to get it.

Poor me, so much to play I don´t know how I shall finish it all before university starts again.......

[Tirigon]

DA:O was not played by many people because .....

Funnily, DAO was in fact played by many people.

[Goldrock]

pffft 2 diffrent stories and 2 diffrent games i for one will be picken up the witcher also.They are rpgs not a poll on lets say call of duty vs battle field type games i can understand.

[Bad King]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Sopa de Gato wrote...
Also, no offense..but I'm honestly sick of hearing anything involving the Witcher after it's been so hyped up on these boards.

 Seriously. You love the Witcher, we get it. Take it to the OT forum. Skyrim will put the Witcher 2 to shame, and of course it's a fact, I said it on the internet.

Skyrim looks amazing so far, looking forward to 11/11/11.

[Dazaster Dellus]

Funny, I made the exact same comparison a few weeks ago. IMO The witcher definitely does a better job of environments(10x better), interaction, day to night time cycles, weather effects. npc scripting(Ncp characters actually doing things with their lives like washing clothes, gardening, sweeping, etc), skill trees and a few other things. The story was actually good. Not a masterpiece, but good none the less. I definitely think the Witcher 2 will take out Dragon Age 2 now. This is from an unbiased point of view. From everything I have seen it looks to be a lot better then the first one. It also has massive open environments and is supposedly not supposed to have many load times. Time will tell.

Also, one other thing I like about the Witcher over DA is the fact that it is mature and they aren't afraid to show it. Bioware tries to make DA seem mature but other than graphic violence, they still really only skirt the M rating. the Witcher does violence better and more realistically, language, nudity(not just for shock value or to load it in, but for actual legitimate reasons). Bioware would never dream of touching some of those listings. Even though DA is mature they still kind of cater to the teens.

Don't get me wrong, I like both The Witcher and Dragon Age. They each do some things better than the other. The Witcher a little more so. But as it stands now unless TW2 does everything wrong somehow, DA2 isn't going to be that hard to beat out for RPG of the year

[slimgrin]

^ I think Bioware is aiming for a broader age group with their games, leaning toward the younger side of the spectrum.

Modifié par slimgrin, 14 mars 2011 - 08:04 .

[Saphara]

ive enjoyed most RPGs Ive played. however, the Witcher was such a piece of crap in my eyes I am never touching it again. I HATE the blasted combat! I dislike i cant move the camera the way I'd like to. The sex cards were silly. It needs to die in a fire! It may have had a great story, but I'll never know. The things i listed made me unable to finish it.

So for me, DAO and DA2 > Witcher

[Tirigon]

slimgrin wrote...

^ I think Bioware is aiming for a broader age group with their games, leaning toward the younger side of the spectrum.

But why do they equal "Young" with "too dumb to use real dialogue options and think about tactics"?!

Personally, I´m 19, and they can´t aim for much younger people seeing as both DAO and DA2 are rated 18+ (at least in Germany, can´t speak for other countries) (and yes I´m aware most players ignore the rating anywaysB))

[tanerb123]

i like da and da2 but they cant compete with witcher(enhanced edition) in my opinon. it is like comparing college football with nfl. esp da2 is for teenage audtion.

[Saphara]

tanerb123 wrote...

i like da and da2 but they cant compete with witcher(enhanced edition) in my opinon. it is like comparing college football with nfl. esp da2 is for teenage audtion.

except the NFL is in a lockout while college football will still be going if this keeps up. HA! Greed ruins everything

[88mphSlayer]

i loved The Witcher but i have not played DA2 for myself so i can't say

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Sopa de Gato wrote...
Also, no offense..but I'm honestly sick of hearing anything involving the Witcher after it's been so hyped up on these boards.

Seriously. You love the Witcher, we get it. Take it to the OT forum. Skyrim will put the Witcher 2 to shame, and of course it's a fact, I said it on the internet.

i loved Oblivion and The Witcher so i'm curious as to why you think Skyrim will put The Witcher 2 to shame?