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Poll: The Witcher and Dragon Age 2


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Saphara wrote...

ive enjoyed most RPGs Ive played. however, the Witcher was such a piece of crap in my eyes I am never touching it again. I HATE the blasted combat! I dislike i cant move the camera the way I'd like to. The sex cards were silly. It needs to die in a fire! It may have had a great story, but I'll never know. The things i listed made me unable to finish it.

So for me, DAO and DA2 > Witcher


eh the only combat problem i had with the game was the boss of Chapter 1, that fight genuinely pissed me off until i learned aard sign insta-kills it... other than that the rest of the game was smooth sailing and a great experience and one of the more satisfying rpg's i've played in years

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Sopa de Gato wrote...

cosgamer wrote...
Dragon Age, however, did not.  To make it worse, DA 2  being rushed and subpar is an obvious grab at the quick cash cow in an attempt to take advantage of Origins' success.  No game with DA 2's short development time can come out as worthy.


Fallout 2 was released exactly one year after the original Fallout. I believe that's considered "worthy".


it was buggy. Makes you wonder though is it more important to get the RP feeling right which NV did, or to get the technical side of things right if you are on a tight schedule.

The problem with DA2 is the overuse borders on cynical.

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BobSmith101 wrote...

Sopa de Gato wrote...

cosgamer wrote...
Dragon Age, however, did not.  To make it worse, DA 2  being rushed and subpar is an obvious grab at the quick cash cow in an attempt to take advantage of Origins' success.  No game with DA 2's short development time can come out as worthy.


Fallout 2 was released exactly one year after the original Fallout. I believe that's considered "worthy".


it was buggy. Makes you wonder though is it more important to get the RP feeling right which NV did, or to get the technical side of things right if you are on a tight schedule.

The problem with DA2 is the overuse borders on cynical.


Uncharted 2 was made in 18 months and Assassins Creed brotherhood was made in less than a year, both GOTY worthy titles of their respective release years imo

'course ACB also had a dev team of over 400 people and they basically didn't stop working when they were done with AC2, i think the only rpg's that get that kind of support are MMO's

back to rpg's tho, TW2 has a dev cycle of 4 years, has its own internally built engine, and the devs are just focusing on one port at a time instead of building the game for 3 platforms simultaneously... i think there will be obvious differences that Bioware doesn't have the luxury to do

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If I could run the Witcher on my PC I would have an opinion, but alas, since my computer is trash I do not. It be awesome if they ported it or something to give the Console Players a turn at it.

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Byth wrote...

If I could run the Witcher on my PC I would have an opinion, but alas, since my computer is trash I do not. It be awesome if they ported it or something to give the Console Players a turn at it.


You will very likely get a run at TW2 on consoles.

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Byth wrote...

If I could run the Witcher on my PC I would have an opinion, but alas, since my computer is trash I do not. It be awesome if they ported it or something to give the Console Players a turn at it.


We have Hunted:Demons forge coming up.

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The directors cut enhanced edition still crashes on cue every 30 minutes... and their story was slow, drawn-out, and bad.

QFT Bioware's games do not crash ever. DA2 is a technical masterpiece. It also has better story than anything Bioware has made before. The warden has nothing on Hawke. Even the Bhaalspawn has nothing on Hawke. There is a reason it's RPG of the decade according to PC Gamer.

Kane-Corr wrote...
I just love how people complain about not being able to dress up there companions as if they were their nanny or something! Honestly people, it's not realistic. You don't dress up your friends on a journey...you worry about yourself. That is essentially what Bioware has done. It's a roleplaying game for YOU, not anyone else...not your Elf friend, or your Asari lover...but for YOU. And, you should have no effect on what your companions become (class-wise, etc.).

Also QFT. Stupid games such as Fallout:NV that let you dress up your companions are not in the least bit realistic.
You cannot just tell your travelling companion "Hey, were going to this place and it will be full of radiation, can you wear this radiation suit?" Who wants to wear a !@#$ing radiation suit? Have you guys seen those things? They cannot be realistically comfortable FFS! This needless customization is just dragging the game away from the awesome story and tactical combat.

DA3 should not allow attribute/talent/weapon/accessory customization for anyone else except your main character. I would even go so far as remove attribute customization whatsoever like Diablo 3 is doing. This is a critical step in evolution all RPGs must go through if they want to be successful.

Modifié par flushfire, 14 mars 2011 - 09:05 .


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flushfire wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The directors cut enhanced edition still crashes on cue every 30 minutes... and their story was slow, drawn-out, and bad.

QFT Bioware's games do not crash ever. DA2 is a technical masterpiece. It also has better story than anything Bioware has made before. The warden has nothing on Hawke. Even the Bhaalspawn has nothing on Hawke. There is a reason it's RPG of the decade according to PC Gamer.

Kane-Corr wrote...
I just love how people complain about not being able to dress up there companions as if they were their nanny or something! Honestly people, it's not realistic. You don't dress up your friends on a journey...you worry about yourself. That is essentially what Bioware has done. It's a roleplaying game for YOU, not anyone else...not your Elf friend, or your Asari lover...but for YOU. And, you should have no effect on what your companions become (class-wise, etc.).

Also QFT. Stupid games such as Fallout:NV that let you dress up your companions are not in the least bit realistic.
You cannot just tell your travelling companion "Hey, were going to this place and it will be full of radiation, can you wear this radiation suit?" Who wants to wear a !@#$ing radiation suit? Have you guys seen those things? They cannot be realistically comfortable FFS! This needless customization is just dragging the game away from the awesome story and tactical combat.

DA3 should not allow attribute/talent/weapon/accessory customization for anyone else except your main character. I would even go so far as remove attribute customization whatsoever like Diablo 3 is doing. This is a critical step in evolution all RPGs must go through if they want to be successful.

This post is satire, right?

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I agree with flushfire 100%.

That is so because I am absolutely certain he is being sarcastic.



Edit: Damn, Zanderat was faster.....

Modifié par Tirigon, 14 mars 2011 - 09:13 .


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It should have been sarcastic right? Cause else it would only contradict...
Lol, my eyebrow moved up bit by bit with every finished line :P.

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Dazaster Dellus wrote...

Funny, I made the exact same
comparison a few weeks ago. IMO The witcher definitely does a better
job of environments(10x better), interaction, day to night time cycles,
weather effects. npc scripting(Ncp characters actually doing things with
their lives like washing clothes, gardening, sweeping, etc), skill
trees and a few other things. The story was actually good. Not a
masterpiece, but good none the less. I definitely think the Witcher 2
will take out Dragon Age 2 now. This is from an unbiased point of view.
From everything I have seen it looks to be a lot better then the first
one. It also has massive open environments and is supposedly not
supposed to have many load times. Time will tell.


The Witcher did a better job at making a living city, I agree.  Some of that comes from the added realism of a day/night cycle, but even just walking through the streets Vizima felt more like a place people might actually live.  NPCs going places, people shouting stuff at you, beggars and animals and prostitutes.  This was undone somewhat by the fact that The Witcher only had about one model for every twenty characters, and couldn't even manage to give named NPCs with major plot importance unique faces and clothes... but it still made Kirkwall feel rather empty by comparison.

Also, one other
thing I like about the Witcher over DA is the fact that it is mature
and they aren't afraid to show it. Bioware tries to make DA seem mature
but other than graphic violence, they still really only skirt the M
rating. the Witcher does violence better and more realistically,
language, nudity(not just for shock value or to load it in, but for
actual legitimate reasons). Bioware would never dream of touching some
of those listings. Even though DA is mature they still kind of cater to
the teens.

Don't get me wrong, I like both The Witcher and Dragon
Age. They each do some things better than the other. The Witcher a
little more so. But as it stands now unless TW2 does everything wrong
somehow, DA2 isn't going to be that hard to beat out for RPG of the
year


The sex cards were the defintion of gratutious.  I'd probably put The Witcher above both DA2 and Origins in terms how dark its world was, not because of the specific issues with which it dealt, but because of the frankness with which it showed normal people doing ugly things.  Hawke, the Warden, and other major characters between the two Bioware games can do a lot of pretty dark stuff, but The Witcher treats all these acts like simple parts of everyday life.  Hell, the Outskirts alone is a more mature storyline than you'll find in 95% of RPGs.

88mphSlayer wrote...

Saphara wrote...

ive enjoyed most RPGs Ive played. however, the Witcher was such a piece of crap in my eyes I am never touching it again. I HATE the blasted combat! I dislike i cant move the camera the way I'd like to. The sex cards were silly. It needs to die in a fire! It may have had a great story, but I'll never know. The things i listed made me unable to finish it.

So for me, DAO and DA2 > Witcher


eh the only combat problem i had with the game was the boss of Chapter 1, that fight genuinely pissed me off until i learned aard sign insta-kills it... other than that the rest of the game was smooth sailing and a great experience and one of the more satisfying rpg's i've played in years


Hehe, yeah.  That's one of the areas I'll give DA2 the advantage.  The Witcher had wider variety in enemies (though you get tired of drowners pretty damn quick), but it didn't have much in the way of actual boss fights.  Oblivion had the same problem, while DA2 gives us stuff like the Ancient Rock Wraith where you've got to pay attention to unique mechanics.  Too many fights in The Witcher could be solved with Aard -> decapitate, and unique mechanics were nearly nonexistent.

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The trouble is that some similar posts are NOT sarcastic......

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I tried to play the original Witcher, but couldn't get past the combat... slash slash slash execute chain, slash slash slash execute chain.

Do you all think I should give it another chance? I mean the story and characters looked interesting enough, but I despised the combat like no other.

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Have no fear...there is an awesome looking, brand new rpg coming out this fall. Elder Scroll sized open world, fantasy, rich rpg elements, over 120 fully fleshed dungeons with loot and quests, written by R.A. SALVATORE...art by Todd McFarlane...designed by the father of open world rpgs KEN ROLSTON...full action or tactical combat....bright colors and mystical landscapes...full customization. It is a promising gem I suggest everybody check out

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Sex cards, nuff said.

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what is the name of this game that Salvatore is writing?

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DiggingistDog wrote...

Sex cards, nuff said.

:innocent::devil::o:P

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I gave The Witcher a chance but I didn't like it. The mouse/keyboard controls are a dealbreaker - I really dislike them, and I've yet to find a pc gaming controller that I've liked. I may have liked it better if I could have played a console version, but I didn't like the characters either (which I consider a major factor) and I doubt I would have liked it nearly as much even if a console version was available. I will still give The Witcher 2 a try. But DA2 is far, far superior to The Witcher in my opinion.

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I'm not far enough in to DA2 to do the poll but I don't at all see "crafting as streamlined." I really miss how easy it was to make a potion or poison or bomb or trap. Of course now I don't have the slots on the quick bar to put all that stuff in but whatever.

I can see the comparison to The Witcher. That game did some cool things (like effects on Geralt from drinking potions or drinking alcholol - er booze). I pre-ordered TW2 to support the company but it is not my preferred kind of game. --I really don't like the "play a set character" -- and yes, I knew that was what I was getting with DA2. But I like the world and third person party based RPG is the pinnacle for me so I try to support that too.

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Love TW1, definitely one my favorite RPGs of all time

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the witcher was terrible, I was embarrassed to play it

combat consisted of clicking rhythmically, and judging from the ridiculous amount of sex (you can bang practically every female character) it's designed for 12 year olds

oblivion/skyrim/whatever have little story, nothing really resembling characters, and hardly any direction. If you like wandering around an empty pixel wasteland, go for it

DA2 was disappointing, but it's still quite a bit better than these others games. And DAO was just so much better than any other recent RPGs I've played...

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Pyrate_d wrote...

the witcher was terrible, I was embarrassed to play it

combat consisted of clicking rhythmically, and judging from the ridiculous amount of sex (you can bang practically every female character) it's designed for 12 year olds

oblivion/skyrim/whatever have little story, nothing really resembling characters, and hardly any direction. If you like wandering around an empty pixel wasteland, go for it

DA2 was disappointing, but it's still quite a bit better than these others games. And DAO was just so much better than any other recent RPGs I've played...


And here comes your classic mediocre argument concerning TW1.

TW1 isn't praised for it's sex mini-game, that's pretty stupid considering it generating 1.5 million sales, think for a moment.

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yeah, the 1.5 million sales probably came from the rhythmic clicking

is that seriously your argument? "A lot of people bought it, it must be good!"

nice

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jones0901 wrote...

what is the name of this game that Salvatore is writing?


Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning

He wrote all the lore and story.

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Pyrate_d wrote...

the witcher was terrible, I was embarrassed to play it

combat consisted of clicking rhythmically, and judging from the ridiculous amount of sex (you can bang practically every female character) it's designed for 12 year olds

oblivion/skyrim/whatever have little story, nothing really resembling characters, and hardly any direction. If you like wandering around an empty pixel wasteland, go for it

DA2 was disappointing, but it's still quite a bit better than these others games. And DAO was just so much better than any other recent RPGs I've played...


People 13 and older love sex to friend. 

You probably found the sex card collecting rediculously immature but I found it hilariously addictive. 

However that is not the main reason why I loved the game.  I loved it because decisions actually mattered and were practically unchangeable.  Also you could choose no side while most choice based games are black and white and A or B.