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[keginkc]

Pyrate_d wrote...

the witcher was terrible, I was embarrassed to play it

combat consisted of clicking rhythmically, and judging from the ridiculous amount of sex (you can bang practically every female character) it's designed for 12 year olds

 It won't sound like it when I start to describe the game, but I actually liked the witcher.  But you're right, it was like 13 year olds trying to do "mature."  Woohoo!  Boobs and dirty words!  Beyond that, it was a pretty pedestrian story with pedestrian writing featuring some of the worst combat mechanics I've ever seen.

(And this isn't me talking from distant memory, I just played through the entire game in January, my second trip through...)

I applaud the fact that a small developer was able to create a cult hit, I supported them with a purchase myself, and I hope the sequel ends up being a good game, but the original has to be one of the most romanticized "okay" games in history.   Because that's what it was: an okay game.  Not bad in any way, not great in any way.  No epic moments that stick with you, nothing that stands out as really fun or really cool or ground-breaking in any way.

[Anathemic]

Pyrate_d wrote...

yeah, the 1.5 million sales probably came from the rhythmic clicking

is that seriously your argument? "A lot of people bought it, it must be good!"

nice

A lot of people bought it, because it is good. AKA I'm throwing the same argument as DA2 fanboys are.

But in all seriousness, the sex mini-game wasn't what made TW1 popular and well beloved (hence the creation of this thread). What really made TW1 successful was its literary elements, story, character, grey morality, dark fantasy, etc. all these things.

Aren't you a BioWare fan? Doesn't BioWare pride themselves on story, character, the literary elements also? How can you not see it?

[DiggingistDog]

Anathemic wrote...

Pyrate_d wrote...

yeah, the 1.5 million sales probably came from the rhythmic clicking

is that seriously your argument? "A lot of people bought it, it must be good!"

nice

A lot of people bought it, because it is good. AKA I'm throwing the same argument as DA2 fanboys are.

But in all seriousness, the sex mini-game wasn't what made TW1 popular and well beloved (hence the creation of this thread). What really made TW1 successful was its literary elements, story, character, grey morality, dark fantasy, etc. all these things.

Aren't you a BioWare fan? Doesn't BioWare pride themselves on story, character, the literary elements also? How can you not see it?

Agree with this person.  TW was flawed however, terribly bugged game that I'm surprised that I was able to finish do to all the CTDs.  It still is well worth the a playthrough for it is the pinicle of a game story based on decisions, sorry BW just my opinion.

[zephrys101]

 Because that's what it was: an okay game.  Not bad in any way, not great in any way.  No epic moments that stick with you, nothing that stands out as really fun or really cool or ground-breaking in any way.

Couldn't agree more with this.  Though I'd make a case for the dialogue being fairly rubbish in it.  Too much exposition made it feel closer to being forced to play through a Dan Brown fantasy novel rather than a wrld populated with characters.  I'm presuming that's something to do with the translation but really it just bugged me. 

Modifié par zephrys101, 15 mars 2011 - 02:46 .

[Pyrate_d]

Anathemic wrote...
A lot of people bought it, because it is good. AKA I'm throwing the same argument as DA2 fanboys are.

Someone uses a bad argument so you get to use it as well? Come on...

But in all seriousness, the sex mini-game wasn't what made TW1 popular and well beloved (hence the creation of this thread). What really made TW1 successful was its literary elements, story, character, grey morality, dark fantasy, etc. all these things.

you're free to have your opinions--I'm just saying that the gratuitous sex and crappy combat ruined it for me. None of the characters really stood out either, but again, this is opinion

Aren't you a BioWare fan? Doesn't BioWare pride themselves on story, character, the literary elements also? How can you not see it?

 I'm a "bioware fan" in that I think ME2 and DAO were good games (especially DAO). I think that DA2 was not a good game, but is still head and shoulders above its competition

[DiggingistDog]

Pyrate_d wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
A lot of people bought it, because it is good. AKA I'm throwing the same argument as DA2 fanboys are.

Someone uses a bad argument so you get to use it as well? Come on...

But in all seriousness, the sex mini-game wasn't what made TW1 popular and well beloved (hence the creation of this thread). What really made TW1 successful was its literary elements, story, character, grey morality, dark fantasy, etc. all these things.

you're free to have your opinions--I'm just saying that the gratuitous sex and crappy combat ruined it for me. None of the characters really stood out either, but again, this is opinion

Aren't you a BioWare fan? Doesn't BioWare pride themselves on story, character, the literary elements also? How can you not see it?

 I'm a "bioware fan" in that I think ME2 and DAO were good games (especially DAO). I think that DA2 was not a good game, but is still head and shoulders above its competition

What exactly is the competition? 

You probably need to play more games.

[88mphSlayer]

keginkc wrote...

Pyrate_d wrote...

the witcher was terrible, I was embarrassed to play it

combat consisted of clicking rhythmically, and judging from the ridiculous amount of sex (you can bang practically every female character) it's designed for 12 year olds

 It won't sound like it when I start to describe the game, but I actually liked the witcher.  But you're right, it was like 13 year olds trying to do "mature."  Woohoo!  Boobs and dirty words!  Beyond that, it was a pretty pedestrian story with pedestrian writing featuring some of the worst combat mechanics I've ever seen.

(And this isn't me talking from distant memory, I just played through the entire game in January, my second trip through...)

I applaud the fact that a small developer was able to create a cult hit, I supported them with a purchase myself, and I hope the sequel ends up being a good game, but the original has to be one of the most romanticized "okay" games in history.   Because that's what it was: an okay game.  Not bad in any way, not great in any way.  No epic moments that stick with you, nothing that stands out as really fun or really cool or ground-breaking in any way.

moments that stuck with me: telling the villagers you're going to slaughter everybody if you don't spare the witch (this is after you find out the villagers are all crooked), waking up to massive slaughter in the swamp, getting plastered at the princess striga dinner, finding out who the night wolf is, escaping the giant spider cave, getting teleported to the lake, finding out what happens to the bride and taking care of that stupid twerp kid in chapter 4, having to side with the non-humans or order of the flaming rose, the subsequent battle for Vizima, taking "care" of princess striga, fighting my way through the salamander base, and the subsequent final boss section which was very unexpected

what was fun about the game was your decisions actually had consequences that were shown and not just told and they actually affected the story before the credits rolled, that's something i've missed about Bioware's titles since KOTOR is actually changing the store before the game is over, you always get say but it's always the fighting in the same areas against the same enemies every time which is why i had a lot of fun playing as the darkspawn in the dlc for DAO even if it was really short

the game also only crashed on me maybe 3-4 times, more than any bioware game but not really anything to write home about maybe i was just lucky... what i will agree with is that the characters and dialogue were passable but nothing great, also the sex was really... dumb? forced? it makes ME2/DA2's 2 conversations seem like holding out

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 15 mars 2011 - 03:00 .

[Aesieru]

DiggingistDog wrote...

Pyrate_d wrote...

the witcher was terrible, I was embarrassed to play it

combat consisted of clicking rhythmically, and judging from the ridiculous amount of sex (you can bang practically every female character) it's designed for 12 year olds

oblivion/skyrim/whatever have little story, nothing really resembling characters, and hardly any direction. If you like wandering around an empty pixel wasteland, go for it

DA2 was disappointing, but it's still quite a bit better than these others games. And DAO was just so much better than any other recent RPGs I've played...

People 13 and older love sex to friend. 

You probably found the sex card collecting rediculously immature but I found it hilariously addictive. 

However that is not the main reason why I loved the game.  I loved it because decisions actually mattered and were practically unchangeable.  Also you could choose no side while most choice based games are black and white and A or B.

The sex was somewhat... forced.

[slimgrin]

keginkc wrote...

Pyrate_d wrote...

the witcher was terrible, I was embarrassed to play it

combat consisted of clicking rhythmically, and judging from the ridiculous amount of sex (you can bang practically every female character) it's designed for 12 year olds

 It won't sound like it when I start to describe the game, but I actually liked the witcher.  But you're right, it was like 13 year olds trying to do "mature."  Woohoo!  Boobs and dirty words!  Beyond that, it was a pretty pedestrian story with pedestrian writing featuring some of the worst combat mechanics I've ever seen.

(And this isn't me talking from distant memory, I just played through the entire game in January, my second trip through...)

I applaud the fact that a small developer was able to create a cult hit, I supported them with a purchase myself, and I hope the sequel ends up being a good game, but the original has to be one of the most romanticized "okay" games in history.   Because that's what it was: an okay game.  Not bad in any way, not great in any way.  No epic moments that stick with you, nothing that stands out as really fun or really cool or ground-breaking in any way.

Thank you for a most adolescent take on the game, as is typical on this forum. Most of THe Witcher flew right over your head. I was the same when I was 16. Understood THE WORLD AND ALL ITS SECRETS...I did. Really.

Modifié par slimgrin, 15 mars 2011 - 03:00 .

[Pyrate_d]

DiggingistDog wrote...

Pyrate_d wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
A lot of people bought it, because it is good. AKA I'm throwing the same argument as DA2 fanboys are.

Someone uses a bad argument so you get to use it as well? Come on...

But in all seriousness, the sex mini-game wasn't what made TW1 popular and well beloved (hence the creation of this thread). What really made TW1 successful was its literary elements, story, character, grey morality, dark fantasy, etc. all these things.

you're free to have your opinions--I'm just saying that the gratuitous sex and crappy combat ruined it for me. None of the characters really stood out either, but again, this is opinion

Aren't you a BioWare fan? Doesn't BioWare pride themselves on story, character, the literary elements also? How can you not see it?

 I'm a "bioware fan" in that I think ME2 and DAO were good games (especially DAO). I think that DA2 was not a good game, but is still head and shoulders above its competition

What exactly is the competition? 

You probably need to play more games.

I play the perfect amount of games, thanks

if you read my original post in this thread, I'm mainly talking about the witcher and the elder scrolls games

[DiggingistDog]

Aesieru wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

Pyrate_d wrote...

the witcher was terrible, I was embarrassed to play it

combat consisted of clicking rhythmically, and judging from the ridiculous amount of sex (you can bang practically every female character) it's designed for 12 year olds

oblivion/skyrim/whatever have little story, nothing really resembling characters, and hardly any direction. If you like wandering around an empty pixel wasteland, go for it

DA2 was disappointing, but it's still quite a bit better than these others games. And DAO was just so much better than any other recent RPGs I've played...

People 13 and older love sex to friend. 

You probably found the sex card collecting rediculously immature but I found it hilariously addictive. 

However that is not the main reason why I loved the game.  I loved it because decisions actually mattered and were practically unchangeable.  Also you could choose no side while most choice based games are black and white and A or B.

The sex was somewhat... forced.

Rape?

[Pyrate_d]

slimgrin wrote...

keginkc wrote...

Pyrate_d wrote...

the witcher was terrible, I was embarrassed to play it

combat consisted of clicking rhythmically, and judging from the ridiculous amount of sex (you can bang practically every female character) it's designed for 12 year olds

 It won't sound like it when I start to describe the game, but I actually liked the witcher.  But you're right, it was like 13 year olds trying to do "mature."  Woohoo!  Boobs and dirty words!  Beyond that, it was a pretty pedestrian story with pedestrian writing featuring some of the worst combat mechanics I've ever seen.

(And this isn't me talking from distant memory, I just played through the entire game in January, my second trip through...)

I applaud the fact that a small developer was able to create a cult hit, I supported them with a purchase myself, and I hope the sequel ends up being a good game, but the original has to be one of the most romanticized "okay" games in history.   Because that's what it was: an okay game.  Not bad in any way, not great in any way.  No epic moments that stick with you, nothing that stands out as really fun or really cool or ground-breaking in any way.

Thank you for a most adolescent take on the game, as is typical on this forum. Most of THe Witcher flew right over your head. I was the same when I was 16. Understood THE WORLD AND ALL ITS SECRETS...I did. Really.

know what's adolescent? someone's different opinion causing you to freak out

I think the witcher was terrible, and there's nothing you can do about it

Modifié par Pyrate_d, 15 mars 2011 - 03:02 .

[Aesieru]

The Witcher WAS terrible.

in my opinion...

Modifié par Aesieru, 15 mars 2011 - 03:03 .

[Luvinn]

I actually thought the same thing too, right about the beginning of act III. I liked the characters and voice acting better in DA2, but The Witcher's world felt more realistic to me.....well aside from the sleeping with 100 women part!

Either way though, i enjoyed both games very much.

[slimgrin]

Pyrate_d wrote...


know what's adolescent? someone's different opinion causing you to freak out

I think the witcher was terrible, and there's nothing you can do about it

Fanboys unite. I did that when I was 16 too. 

[Saphara]

Aesieru wrote...

The Witcher WAS terrible.

in my opinion...

dontcha know? People that hate the Witcher all all casual kiddies that have no taste in games whatsoever!

[Pyrate_d]

slimgrin wrote...

Pyrate_d wrote...


know what's adolescent? someone's different opinion causing you to freak out

I think the witcher was terrible, and there's nothing you can do about it

Fanboys unite. I did that when I was 16 too. 

apparently me thinking that the witcher is terrible makes me a fanboy?

a fanboy of WHAT? if I was dumb and immature enough to call someone a fanboy, I'd probably call you a "witcher fanboy"

Modifié par Pyrate_d, 15 mars 2011 - 03:08 .

[DiggingistDog]

Pyrate_d wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

Pyrate_d wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
A lot of people bought it, because it is good. AKA I'm throwing the same argument as DA2 fanboys are.

Someone uses a bad argument so you get to use it as well? Come on...

But in all seriousness, the sex mini-game wasn't what made TW1 popular and well beloved (hence the creation of this thread). What really made TW1 successful was its literary elements, story, character, grey morality, dark fantasy, etc. all these things.

you're free to have your opinions--I'm just saying that the gratuitous sex and crappy combat ruined it for me. None of the characters really stood out either, but again, this is opinion

Aren't you a BioWare fan? Doesn't BioWare pride themselves on story, character, the literary elements also? How can you not see it?

 I'm a "bioware fan" in that I think ME2 and DAO were good games (especially DAO). I think that DA2 was not a good game, but is still head and shoulders above its competition

What exactly is the competition? 

You probably need to play more games.

I play the perfect amount of games, thanks

if you read my original post in this thread, I'm mainly talking about the witcher and the elder scrolls games

I would actually akin it to Fable 2.  A button masher that takes place over a long time span in the same locations.

I feel, even though most would like to, that TES is not a proper comparison because the game design and direction are so completely different.  The only thing that they have in common is that they take place in a magical fantasy world.  I'm not saying that one is superior over the other just that they are to different to compare.

[Anathemic]

Pyrate_d wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Pyrate_d wrote...


know what's adolescent? someone's different opinion causing you to freak out

I think the witcher was terrible, and there's nothing you can do about it

Fanboys unite. I did that when I was 16 too. 

apparently me thinking that the witcher is terrible makes me a fanboy?

a fanboy of WHAT? if I was dumb and immature enough to call someone a fanboy, I'd probably call you a "witcher fanboy"

No, as from what I understand it it was mostly on the "and there's nothing you can do about it" part which made you less credible.

Modifié par Anathemic, 15 mars 2011 - 03:10 .

[Pyrate_d]

I still don't understand how that makes me a fanboy.

I think that "fanboy" is just generally a good insult to use when you have nothing to say and can't accept someone's opinion

Modifié par Pyrate_d, 15 mars 2011 - 03:13 .

[night0205]

I haven't played dragon age 2 yet... but let me share my thoughts on Witcher. It's a great world... to be honest the problem I had was the controls. I loved the dark world, I loved the mythology... but I just had a real hard time getting into the controls. That being said... I also kinda fell of the wagon with the story... or maybe I didn't know what I was suppose to do... and I stopped playing, never finished.

[slimgrin]

Aesieru wrote...

The Witcher WAS terrible.

in my opinion...

Insightful. So different, so illuminating...I never see this type of argument around here.

I think Cabbage is equally terrible. I expect you to believe it. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 15 mars 2011 - 03:34 .

[DiggingistDog]

slimgrin wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The Witcher WAS terrible.

in my opinion...

Insightful. So different, so illuminating...I never see this type of argument around here.

I think Cabbage is equally terrible. I expect you to believe it. 

I think cabbage is great so we have created a paradox that will tear the universe apart and all life will perish.

[Aesieru]

Saphara wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The Witcher WAS terrible.

in my opinion...

dontcha know? People that hate the Witcher all all casual kiddies that have no taste in games whatsoever!

Lost Odyssey...

[Aesieru]

slimgrin wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The Witcher WAS terrible.

in my opinion...

Insightful. So different, so illuminating...I never see this type of argument around here.

I think Cabbage is equally terrible. I expect you to believe it. 

I merely believe it is YOUR opinion.

Though I do agree.

Modifié par Aesieru, 15 mars 2011 - 03:41 .