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[wsandista]

batlin wrote...

I lol every time I see this.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Sub race elves in DA3:




 

 

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 19 juillet 2012 - 06:04 .

[Lord Athena]

Good grief that is disgusting, BioWare you should be ashamed! lol

[MisterJB]

Maker forgive Bioware tries to give their elves a distinct look.

[Nefla]

Annorexic monster donkeys...I'm glad my wardens never had to be morphed into those, though poor Zevran did T_T

[Eilaras]

 I don`t mind that Bioware made the elves slightly more different from humans, i think they should have slightly bigger eyes and longer faces. It`s just that they made them so god damn ugly! Orsino, Merrill and Fenris looked good, Zevran and that smuggler girl was ok, but tthe rest looks like monsters. The artwork for the daelish origin looks awesome, hope the elves in DA3 look more like him. 

Modifié par Eilaras, 20 juillet 2012 - 04:24 .

[Jademoon121]

The Elves in DA2 are just disproportional. Smooth them out and give them more weight, and they'll be fine.

[RosaAquafire]

I love the way DA2's elves look and this necro is horrendous.

[Zubie]

I get that they wanted to give the elves a distinctive look but doesn't the Dragon Age lore state that the elves are, for the most part, aesthetically pleasing? I really did not get that impression in DA2.

I thought Merrill looked alright but she definitely needs more meat on those bones. All of the elves do.

Modifié par easygame88, 21 juillet 2012 - 05:16 .

[Lord Athena]

easygame88 wrote...

I get that they wanted to give the elves a distinctive look but doesn't the Dragon Age lore state that the elves are, for the most part, aesthetically pleasing? I really did not get that impression in DA2.

I thought Merrill looked alright but she definitely needs more meat on those bones. All of the elves do.

Yes it clearly says in BioWare Lore that they were divine beings with great beauty and knowledge. "They were fairer than any other people.." Also there is alot of stories in myth saying "since they had elven blood they were said to be more beautiful than most men."

Because of that it is clear that BioWare choose to make Dragon Age elves more beautiful than the human race and all other races.




I'm sure they looked like this before they were enslaved by the humans, and i'm sure some of them are still pure blood like this. You know divine like Galadriel and immortal, i'm sure the humans didn't rape every elven woman in the world. 

[Lord Athena]

This is what they most likely should look like now. Even if they are only half elven, but i'm sure the Dalish elves are pureblood and are slowly becoming more closer to what they once were.

"As the Dales fell, the elves were forced to abandon their second homeland, and their culture was torn even further from them. Those elves who resisted became the nomadic Dalish, maintaining the worship of the elven gods and continuing their efforts to recover the lost culture of Elvhenan."

I really want to play as a decedant of a noble "elvhen" the ancient name of what the elves were called when they were immortal. And I think that would be possible, because i'm sure a royal family of the Elven Empire escaped and then they would drift into "centuries-long slumber". That would be a nice origin to play, because i'm really sick of only human nobles.

They would look like this or something better;

Noble Elvhen Race

Modifié par Lord Athena, 21 juillet 2012 - 05:27 .

[Cultist]

David Gaider wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
The sad thing is, DA elves were unique. Besides Sapkowski´s work, I can´t think of any widely known setting were elves have it that bad. Why is there now such an obssession with the appearence? Most players who aren´t fans of the game aren´t going to recognize them for DA elves anyway, even if their reaction to the new looks is favorable, which from what I read here and other forums doesn´t seem to be the case.

The opinion on the new elven look is about as uniform as the opinion on DA2 itself, and I suspect there's a bit of blending of the two. At least some people aren't going to like the change just because it's a change, even if the original version of the elves wasn't all that spectacular. And even if that isn't the case, we're not crowd-sourcing the appearance of our races-- we wanted our races to be more distinct from one another as a goal, and that's what we've done. Short of the tweaks I mentioned earlier (which will come as technology changes demand, in particular), we're not going back to the original style.

I foresee Dragon Age elf jokes. Millions of them)))))
http://t3.gstatic.co...GShDM5Zckybx9Fw

Modifié par Cultist, 21 juillet 2012 - 05:05 .

[wsandista]

Cultist wrote...

I foresee Dragon Age elf jokes. Millions of them)))))

I used to be a pretty short human like you, then I took an animeish redesign to the character model.

[Lord Athena]

"we're not going back to the original style." If Bioware says that and if they say the same thing about "Only playing as a human" then they can do what they do best.... let them get mounted by EA and give them a "BJ"! Because no one in their sane mind would give them 40 bucks for them to be ass****s to their customers and fans. Even after telling them they don't want it! That's plain ignorance and their image as a developer will be ruined forever!

Modifié par Lord Athena, 21 juillet 2012 - 06:54 .

[Zkyire]

ShadyKat wrote...

I like the direction they are going, just that they need a little more work. But I'd put that on the below average graphics engine the game uses. I think the whole point of their new look, is to make them look more feral looking.

I know this comment is about a year old, but that's pretty much how I feel about it.

I don't want the Elves to just look like humans with relatively pointy ears, so I applaud Bioware for taking them in a little bit different direction, but they still need work.

[The Hierophant]

Elves are overrated. The Tiste Andii, Edur , and Liosan take a duece on your favorite elves.(unless they are from

Warhammer or equally hax/bad***). "All hail Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness, Knight of High House Dark, Lord of Moon's Spawn, Mane of Chaos, & Blacksword."

[Lord Athena]

The Hierophant wrote...

Elves are overrated. The Tiste Andii, Edur , and Liosan take a duece on your favorite elves.(unless they are from

Warhammer or equally hax/bad***). "All hail Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness, Knight of High House Dark, Lord of Moon's Spawn, Mane of Chaos, & Blacksword."

"Elves are overrated" - I SENCE HUMAN HEARSAY! BURN THE HERETIC AND BLASPHEMER! BURN HIM!

[Nefla]

Lord Athena wrote...
*snip*
I'm sure they looked like this before they were enslaved by the humans, and i'm sure some of them are still pure blood like this. You know divine like Galadriel and immortal, i'm sure the humans didn't rape every elven woman in the world. 

The offspring of a human and an elf is a human, so there wouldn't be any watered down hybrids or anything. Also if DA2 elves were LotR elves + humans they wouldn't look like DA2 elves because huans look good and not like an annorexic Navi with lightbulb head.

[Lord Athena]

Zkyire wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

I like the direction they are going, just that they need a little more work. But I'd put that on the below average graphics engine the game uses. I think the whole point of their new look, is to make them look more feral looking.

I know this comment is about a year old, but that's pretty much how I feel about it.

I don't want the Elves to just look like humans with relatively pointy ears, so I applaud Bioware for taking them in a little bit different direction, but they still need work.

Well they have already done it, the designs were this! And they said they were fair and pretty like the image they designed for DA:O. The folklore of the game even says that and they have been mating with humans for hundreds of years, so it doesn't make sence making them look like a cow animal! That isn't unique, drawing a farm animal is not unique! It's retarded!

Modifié par Lord Athena, 21 juillet 2012 - 08:08 .

[Zkyire]

Lord Athena wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

I like the direction they are going, just that they need a little more work. But I'd put that on the below average graphics engine the game uses. I think the whole point of their new look, is to make them look more feral looking.

I know this comment is about a year old, but that's pretty much how I feel about it.

I don't want the Elves to just look like humans with relatively pointy ears, so I applaud Bioware for taking them in a little bit different direction, but they still need work.

<IMAGE SNIP>

Well they have already done it, the designs were this! And they said they were fair and pretty like the image they designed for DA:O. The folklore of the game even says that and they have been mating with humans for hundreds of years, so it doesn't make sence making them look like a cow animal! That isn't unique, drawing a farm animal is not unique! It's retarded!

That's basically a human woman with pointy ears. There's nothing unique or inspiring about it. And as I said, they still need work.

Modifié par Zkyire, 21 juillet 2012 - 08:14 .

[hussey 92]

Zkyire wrote...

Lord Athena wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

I like the direction they are going, just that they need a little more work. But I'd put that on the below average graphics engine the game uses. I think the whole point of their new look, is to make them look more feral looking.

I know this comment is about a year old, but that's pretty much how I feel about it.

I don't want the Elves to just look like humans with relatively pointy ears, so I applaud Bioware for taking them in a little bit different direction, but they still need work.

<IMAGE SNIP>

Well they have already done it, the designs were this! And they said they were fair and pretty like the image they designed for DA:O. The folklore of the game even says that and they have been mating with humans for hundreds of years, so it doesn't make sence making them look like a cow animal! That isn't unique, drawing a farm animal is not unique! It's retarded!

That's basically a human woman with pointy ears. There's nothing unique or inspiring about it. And as I said, they still need work.

Is it unigue or inspiring to make the elves look like avatar creatures?

[Lord Athena]

That's basically a human woman with pointy ears. There's nothing unique or inspiring about it. And as I said, they still need work.

Is thats all you see? A human woman with pointy ears? Then your blind! When I look I see an inspiring being that reflects everything that we are not but should be, that is what's unique about them. Their culture and their language is what is unique, their crafts, their homes, their religion and how they react with animals, plants and other races, what they think and how they live. Not some really bad anatomy just because you want to see some alien woman race, if you want that go play Mass Effect! Because elves are earth beings that we are related to, we branched off them! Thats why they have our faces!

Also if their genes were different we wouldn't even be able to produce offspring with them, sure you could have sex with them but there would be no human or elf children produced. In order for different species to be able to breed, they must be closely related - usually within the same genus, and at least within the same family. So looking like triangle faced animal cows, how is that related to human? Please tell me that?

Look at the movie Prometheus! Do the Engineers just look like bald humans to you?



Just because they don't have long faces and have slanty eyes and giant heads to fit two brains with a second eye means they are nothing unique or inspiring about them?

Well how about they just gave birth to your bloody race and made the first civilzation, isn't that unique enough for you?

Because thats what the elves were to the human race in Dragon Age, they made the first civilization and the first standing stones of a language and culture long before the humans could even tell the difference between cold food and cooked food.

Modifié par Lord Athena, 21 juillet 2012 - 10:59 .

[Zkyire]

Lord Athena wrote...

Is thats all you see? A human woman with pointy ears? Then your blind! When I look I see an inspiring being that reflects everything that we are not but should be, that is what's unique about them.

..the image you linked to is a blonde haired human woman in a white dress with pointy ears. That is; your bog-standard Elf that's been portrayed in an ungodly amount of fantasy already. Bioware following the same trend and designing Elves of their own exactly like has been done a thousand times before is boring. Taking a new direction with them is a good thing. And once again "they still need work" - that is, I like the fact that Bioware are trying something different, but their look still needs refining. So stop blathering on about cows or whatever.

Lord Athena wrote...

Their culture and their language is what is unique, their crafts, their homes, their religion and how they react with animals, plants and other races, what they think and how they live.

- Elves believing they're superior to Humans? Not unique.
- Elves living off the land, more in harmony with nature than Humans? Not unique.
- More slender, sleek architecture/weapons/armour compared to Humans? Not unique.

Lord Athena wrote...

Not some really bad anatomy just because you want to see some alien woman race, if you want that go play Mass Effect! Because elves are earth beings that we are related to, we branched off them! Thats why they have our faces!

DA lore says Elves and Humans came from different parts of the world.

Lord Athena wrote...

Also if their genes were different we wouldn't even be able to produce offspring with them, sure you could have sex with them but there would be no human or elf children produced. In order for different species to be able to breed, they must be closely related - usually within the same genus, and at least within the same family. So looking like triangle faced animal cows, how is that related to human? Please tell me that?

They're also able to interbreed with Dwarves. It's fantasy, they never care about genetics.

Lord Athena wrote...

Look at the movie Prometheus! Do the Engineers just look like bald humans to you?



Just because they don't have long faces and have slanty eyes and giant heads to fit two brains with a second eye means they are nothing unique or inspiring about them?

Well how about they just gave birth to your bloody race and made the first civilzation, isn't that unique enough for you?

I said I wanted Elves to have a little more unique look than simply humans with pointy ears and you equate that to "long faces and have slanty eyes and giant heads to fit two brains with a second eye"? I don't even know where to begin with that.

Lord Athena wrote...

Because thats what the elves were to the human race in Dragon Age, they made the first civilization and the first standing stones of a language and culture long before the humans could even tell the difference between cold food and cooked food.

..which is completely irrelevant to praising Bioware's decision to change their physical appearance. Nobody's even talking about culture, why are you continuously bringing it up?

Modifié par Zkyire, 22 juillet 2012 - 12:30 .

[Lord Athena]

Zkyire wrote...

..the image you linked to is a blonde haired human woman in a white dress with pointy ears. That is; your bog-standard Elf that's been portrayed in an ungodly amount of fantasy already. Bioware following the same trend and designing Elves of their own exactly like has been done a thousand times before is boring. Taking a new direction with them is a good thing. And once again "they still need work" - that is, I like the fact that Bioware are trying something different, but their look still needs refining. So stop blathering on about cows or whatever.

I'm sure the concept artist would take offence to what you just said, but I could say the same thing for Bioware elves, they are not unique! Do you even know what unique means? It means it's never been done before. Bioware's elves are just generic bad copies of other redesigned elves and at least the pointed ear humans are good to look at! Because Bioware's elves are just copies of Bethesda elves and Bethesda didn't even start it, they looked up the biased views on what elves should look like e.g. triangle and long faces with giant brows. Just like people say dwarves are automatically square and humans are round, yet thats alot of crap because we get all different shapes of human faces... 

These images look familiar! Oh look generic bad copies after another.... Yeah so unique.... If moving the eyes apart and making them bigger and far apart from the nose and mouth with long chins and faces and bigger ears thats not new it's called mutilation of anatomy!

If correct anatomy that looks like generic humans are boring then Biowares elves look like all the Bad horrible generic copies of wrong anatomy with long chins and faces, giant brows, wide and longer noses, giant eyes that are far apart from noses, giant ears, big foreheads and anorexic bodies and faces. Yeah it's really unique! The Art industry would vomit after seeing bad anatomy like this and laugth at it! Because it is if you say its good and attractive. It's good if you want a deformed super model that vomits with her hand everyday.









http://t1.gstatic.co...xK6XVzKsdcJC2oA





The other elves from other games/books/movies and comics were always different they added something intresting to the face they didn't just press their fingers in the human face and put it on a stretcher!

Modifié par Lord Athena, 22 juillet 2012 - 01:56 .

[CaptainBlackGold]

One can just dismiss with a wave of the hand "genetics" the same way one can dismiss Star-Jar using "space magic" to achieve the Reaper's goals - but it remains inconsistent (and bad) story telling. Elves, humans and Dwarves can interbreed and produce viable off-spring. Therefore apart from superficial physical characteristics, they must be the same species.

I do not think anyone minded Bioware's attempt to make their elves unique in appearance - we who are dissatisfied are just unhappy with the result. Personally, I find the argument "Well the old elves were boring" to be less than convincing. Elves are an archetype - which by Bioware's own lore are supposed to be perceived as beautiful, graceful and alluring to humans.

If they did not want to have "traditional" looking Elves, then they should have called them something else. But they chose the archetype and produced creatures that are anything but beautiful, graceful and alluring. In DAO we got something close to traditional elves. In DA2 we got well, something else.

Change is fine - if it actually is an improvement. Change just for change shake - so that "hey look at us, we are different" smacks of adolescent insecurity at best and dangerous hubris at worst.

I remember one developer, when advance screenshots came out of the "new and improved" Zeveran, dismissing our fears by saying something like, "Oh he looks fine in game." When we got the actual game, Zeveran looked like a monstrosity. Either that developer was trying to be a good soldier or he has fallen into the fallacy "We are Bioware - we can do no wrong."

FWIW, I see Bioware like a very good friend who has recently been making some very bad decisions in life. You can either be all supportive and encouraging and excuse justify and rationalize their actions no matter how badly they are screwing up, or gently, kindly and compassionately try to steer them back to reality.

And if they do not listen, there is simply nothing else left but to walk away until they hit rock bottom. Let us hope that with a new engine, a new game and maybe a little more time, the talent we all know exists there is able to give us something amazing. But they won't do that if they do not understand what they did wrong.