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[Aesieru]

 Varric and Sebastian just... don't really ever kill anything... ever.

I'm not an idiot at levels or skills so why do they just... suck?

[xI extremist Ix]

What did you place into their stats?
Dexterity, etc?

[Aesieru]

Dexterity and occasionally cunning.

[nicodeemus327]

Well, you're doing something wrong. My archer does crazy damage. With Pinning Shot, Archer's Lance and all the totally awesome Assassination abilities you should be ripping through things.

[XOGHunter246]

Yeah my archer is good as well I mainly focus on dex and cunning.

[termokanden]

Problem is Varric and Sebastian can't get Assassin, which is the best rogue tree by far. Varric is pretty good anyway though.

But in any case focus a bit more on cunning I think. I focus on dex and cunning equally and deal quite high damage. It's all about the crits for a rogue.

[SuicidalBaby]

Cross class combos make them devastating. Fatigue sets up the warriors abilities extremely well. Stagger sets up some of the rogues abilities, if you want them doing damage set it up. The problem is you, not them. Dragon Age has and always will be about forethought when it comes to combat.

[termokanden]

They're deadly enough without the combos too! For me it was a question of learning how to set up Punishing Lance shots. It's really quite an overpowered ability.

[gingerbill]

nicodeemus327 wrote...

Well, you're doing something wrong. My archer does crazy damage. With Pinning Shot, Archer's Lance and all the totally awesome Assassination abilities you should be ripping through things.

agreed , im only half way through and thins might change but so far my archer does crazy DPS (on hard) and has good control with other abilities. Archers seem very powerful to me , was thinking even a bit OP.

[DA Trap Star]

My Sebastian usually one hits the Rougue assassins when he hits them in the back, its always a freak occurence making me say WTF?

[HawXV2]

Varric often hits for 200 to 1000 damage for me.

[Ignoble Fat Man]

Have your mage make a target Brittle then hit that target with Archer's lance and boom dead target for anything but a boss. If you use sebastian and do that but from behind the target.....the target just explodes....very satisfying.

[Conduit0]

I don't know about Sabastian or rogue Hawke but if Varric isn't making you go, "WTF, he's OP!" you're doing it wrong.

The best setup for Varric is to pick up your basic attacks in Bianca(archery tree), Blindside from Scoundrel, and then max out Marksmen, you can then go back and pickup upgrades and other talents.

Varric's personal tree turns him into a dps monster.

[SuicidalBaby]

Scoundrel is amazing with only a few points.

[Loc'n'lol]

They're not as deadly as dual-wield rogues, but what you lose in DPS you gain in relative safety and the ability to hit targets without moving. Plus, basic attacks will generally knockback normals with every hit.
Make them concentrate on the critter mobs and wounded targets, so that you can thin out their numbers very quickly. (final tactic in the table: enemy:lowest health -> attack)
Varric's marksman tree is pretty awesome when it comes to damage. Big damage hits, high critical chance, very high rate of fire. Bianca is more like a machine gun than a crossbow. I haven't played enough with Sebastian to comment but he seemed to hold his own as well.

[klusps]

Varric/Sebastian are crazy on my team. I don't know how you're not getting kills with them.

[termokanden]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

Scoundrel is amazing with only a few points.

Blindside in particular. 20% damage boost? Yes please.

But yeah I agree that Varric is OP. His personal tree is a bit too insane. Why can't I get that specialization? 

Modifié par termokanden, 14 mars 2011 - 08:52 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Varric was awesome, and once I had proper skills and a good bow, Sebastian saw a lot of use in my playthrough, as well. Good weapon runes are also a plus, and when you throw in basic utility Rogue talents to complement the Archery, they can be really handy. Depends on your style and what sort of battle you're talking about, of course. Having an archer for a fight with something like the varterral or high dragon is a handy thing.

EDIT: For the stat question, I always kept Varric in my party (mostly because of his dialogue), so I made him my designated lockpicker, boosting his Cunning to 40 before doing much in the way of Dexterity. Focus was completely reversed for Sebastion, with most of the points going to Dexterity when I wasn't putting a little into Willpower or Constitution.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 14 mars 2011 - 08:58 .

[Aesieru]

They all die and run out of Willpower very quick.

[IN1]

Varric is meh, indeed. Bianca scales with his level, sure enough, but his talents leave a lot to be desired. Bastian, however, can be a great support with a fast bow (say, Sliver with Primeval Lyrium) and Speed toggled on because of Righteous Chain > Arrow of Wounding.

Modifié par IN1, 26 mars 2011 - 09:15 .

[Xewaka]

IN1 wrote...
Varric is meh, indeed. Bianca scales with his level, sure enough, but his talents leave a lot to be deserved.

We must be looking at different characters because Varric's personal tree is amazing.

[IN1]

>We must be looking at different characters because Varric's personal tree is amazing.

Define 'amazing', please.

Unlike Sebastian, Varric has no +CriticalRange passives, no synergetic talents, no strong single-target nukes. Strong nuke = dmg factor 5+ (e. g.: Vendetta, Assassinate) and/or synergy factor 500%+ (Arrow of Judgment). So, I'm afraid your evaluation is a bit inadequate.

[Poison_Berrie]

IN1 wrote...
Unlike Sebastian, Varric has no +CriticalRange passives, no synergetic talents, no strong single-target nukes. Strong nuke = dmg factor 5+ (e. g.: Vendetta, Assassinate) and/or synergy factor 500%+ (Arrow of Judgment). So, I'm afraid your evaluation is a bit inadequate.

He's got passives that boost speed and stamina regeneration, a sustainable that improves everything when fully upgraded and rhyming triplets is a powerful ability with a 10 second cooldown (might not be the nuke your looking for, but the cooldown makes up for it).
He's got little extra in terms of synergy or an extreme nuke, but he makes up for it in speed and regular damage dealing.

[Basheda]

Varric was my Swiss Knife. He was used for Goad and Fog. All other points go to passive talents and his personal tree to make him 100% crit auto-attacker. His speed bonus is very high and I used him primarly to kill the lesser evils.

My tactics for him was simple ...
1. Rhyming Triplet to Highest Health Enemy
2. Attack Lowest Health Enemy

He still do 1000+ crit auto-shots in late game and he fires realy fast. Its ideal to eleminate thrash. None of them reached Varric before they are dead.

And upgraded Rhyming Triplet is also very nice. One salve is almost 5K damage and its an short CD.

[Apathy1989]

If Varric isn't hitting for 300-1000 you are doing it wrong. He is devestating with his sustained abilities.

Only active abilities I had him using was flasks and goad.