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[AlexXIV]

So the quest in which Leandra dies bothers me to no end. For various reasons, but let me stay polite and just say I don't want it in my game and playthrough. So I wonder how a DLC that 'fixes' this would be recieved by players. Obviously most people would save her if they could, and that's more or less the reason why this option is not in the game.

I think a DLC would be a good idea because for once, Bioware is probably not just going to patch it or whatever because the game is done and they won't want to spend money on it unneccessarily. Also I think alot of people would actually buy it, and those who don't want the option to save her can just not buy the DLC. Last but not least the whole Hawke family involvment in DA2 is a bit thin. So more dialogues and maybe even a short quest or two in the last chapter after Hawke has become the Champion would not really be a bad thing to have.

[Icy Magebane]

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you... I agree with you, but it's not going to happen. Writers generally don't go out of their way to "fix" stories that readers find reprehensible. They did it for shock value, they shocked us, end of story. Seriously, this is probably one of the most disturbing quests I've ever done in a game, and having no option to change the results is pathetic. I'll stop there so as not to further insult the people who wrote that quest.

[ZeroDotZero]

This was one of my (and possibly my definite) favourite parts of the game. I was seriously not expecting her to die, and it was the closest to shedding a tear I have ever come to in a game. The only bad thing about it is how Leandra stands randomly, looking totally bizarre during the fight against Quentin. It would have made far more sense for her to stay seated.

[ToJKa1]

Can you imagine the outrage if BioWare actually did this? There's complaints about the companion DLC, but an alternative quest solution sold separately as DLC would cause the iinternet to explode. More so than usual, i mean.

It is unfotunate, but it seems the writers wanted to eliminate Hawke's family.

[Layn]

this was the quest that finally made me start caring about the story. being able to save her would completely ruin what Bioware achieved with that moment in the game.

[MasterSamson88]

I thought her death was a pretty good part of the game.

[Soulcheg]

We definitely need to be able to save Leandra. Let this chance to save her be very small, almost invisible, but such chance should be.

[LexXxich]

While this quest chain, and it's resolution did have the (moderate) emotional impact, it also highlights one of DA2 faults. Whether you do the investigation or not, the result does not change, as with many other things.

[AlexXIV]

I don't want Bioware to rewrite their story. It is a main quest, but only so people can't skip it. It does not really have much to do with the main plot. Of course it is a bloodmage who does it but also a lunatic and he is despicable enough for just killing all these women and kidnapping Hawke's mom. So I don't find it necessary that she dies, and especially not like that.

I don't think it is a big deal to change that and it would be just fanservice, and not the first time. I realize some people liked it, even alot. But that's the same with about every quest in a game. Some people like and some not, but you could at least have a choice. I mean it is not a book or movie, it is a game in which you make choices. I don't want too keep anyone who likes it the way Bioware did it. I just want an option to skip it or whatever. I'd much rather just get the news she died than being forced to play this quest in every playthrough. It has become a real reason for me to not make a new playthrough.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 14 mars 2011 - 06:42 .

[AlexXIV]

ToJKa1 wrote...

Can you imagine the outrage if BioWare actually did this? There's complaints about the companion DLC, but an alternative quest solution sold separately as DLC would cause the iinternet to explode. More so than usual, i mean.

It is unfotunate, but it seems the writers wanted to eliminate Hawke's family.

DLCs are optional. The internet didn't explode because of the Darkspawn Chronicles either. I didn't like it, I didn't buy it, that's all.

[Icy Magebane]

I'm actually surprised to hear that people actually liked this quest. I found it to be disgusting and pointless. Well, whatever... it won't prevent me from playing through the game again, but I'll sure as hell be skipping all the dialogue and cutscene when I reach them.

[Noviere]

Your DLC request will never happen.

Also, I think it was a great quest. The sense of dread I got when they mentioned the lilies... The feeling of urgency... I kept telling myself I'd get there on time. When I realized it was too late, I just sat their dumbfounded for a moment, and had to take a break from playing.

Sometimes, the hero doesn't make it in time. Sometimes tragedy makes us stronger.

[mikx82]

i do believe they were going somewhere down the lines of: "in order for you to become more than yourself, you need to let go of what you are, what you were.."

thus the elimination on the Hawke family..

Modifié par mikx82, 14 mars 2011 - 06:48 .

[AlexXIV]

Noviere wrote...

Your DLC request will never happen.

Also, I think it was a great quest. The sense of dread I got when they mentioned the lilies... The feeling of urgency... I kept telling myself I'd get there on time. When I realized it was too late, I just sat their dumbfounded for a moment, and had to take a break from playing.

Sometimes, the hero doesn't make it in time. Sometimes tragedy makes us stronger.

Well thing is we all saw it, we had our shock, the show is over. Playing it again and again doesn't make it better, especially not for those of us who don't like it in the least. Also there is plenty of tragedy already and enough things Hawke can't do anything about. In my opinion anyway. I dealt with Carver's death, with Bethany taken to the Circle, but at some point you just get enough. Or better said, I got enough.

[RoninTX]

Personally I think if you kept that blood mage Dupois alive it should have the option to save her, because then you do not have to track her down and mabye be "fast" enough because Dupois is able to pinpoint exactly where he is.
I always felt this was a bug, because the chance of people keeping that guy alive is very very very slim.

Because the entire story feels like HE is the killer. It feels like instead of being rewarded to believe him you get punished either way.

Ps: I totally agree with Alex. I could handle to have my "brother" die at the start and then my sister taken away to the circle, but then losing you mother too...seriously at some point I wished I could side with the Qunari and embrace the Qun!!

Modifié par RoninTX, 14 mars 2011 - 06:51 .

[Arppis]

It added to the drama. I don't mind the fact that I couldn't change it.

[AlexXIV]

RoninTX wrote...

Personally I think if you kept that blood mage Dupois alive it should have the option to save her, because then you do not have to track her down and mabye be "fast" enough because Dupois is able to pinpoint exactly where he is.
I always felt this was a bug, because the changes of people keeping that guy alive is very very very slim.

Because the entire story feels like HE is the killer. It feels like instead of being rewarded to believe him you get punished either way.

It wasn't a bug, it was changed. They had the option to save her in the game but figured everyone would take it, so they removed it.

[Captain_Obvious]

Crrash wrote...

this was the quest that finally made me start caring about the story. being able to save her would completely ruin what Bioware achieved with that moment in the game.

I agree with this.  There were many "what the heck do you mean those are my only choices" moments in the game, and I think they all added to the story. 

[nuclearpengu1nn]

when is this quest you speak of where Leanra dies?
is it right after you get the estate back?

Modifié par GreyWarden36, 14 mars 2011 - 06:53 .

[RoninTX]

AlexXIV wrote...
It wasn't a bug, it was changed. They had the option to save her in the game but figured everyone would take it, so they removed it.

I agree mabye on the 2nd or 3rd playthrough, but on the 1st playthrough I am willing to bet that about 90% of the players killed that guy!

[AlexXIV]

GreyWarden36 wrote...

when is this quest you speak of where Leanra dies?
is it in Act 1?

No and if you don't know you shouldn't ask probably. Because that spoils it for you now, or not?

[RoninTX]

GreyWarden36 wrote...

when is this quest you speak of where Leanra dies?
is it in Act 1?

No, The PC version of the game does not use "ACTS" ( unless I overlooked something?)

Modifié par RoninTX, 14 mars 2011 - 06:55 .

[Layn]

Noviere wrote...

Your DLC request will never happen.

Also, I think it was a great quest. The sense of dread I got when they mentioned the lilies... The feeling of urgency... I kept telling myself I'd get there on time. When I realized it was too late, I just sat their dumbfounded for a moment, and had to take a break from playing.

Sometimes, the hero doesn't make it in time. Sometimes tragedy makes us stronger.

at the mention of the lilies i dropped everything and ran. that quest was so well developed. The lilies, the trail of blood, seeing the foundry again (confirming your fears while you still tell yourself "it might be something else"), seeing the trapdoor we missed our first time through ("i could have prevented this"), reading his notes and seeing the picture (you start to understand the true evil that is going on), and then you see her sitting there and only go "no. NO! NOOO!". although after that it disappointed me. they could have done much better with it and they could have done a funeral for Leandra (and the other women)

[AlexXIV]

RoninTX wrote...

GreyWarden36 wrote...

when is this quest you speak of where Leanra dies?
is it in Act 1?

No it is in the final act3 if I remember correct. The PC version of the game does not use "ACTS" ( unless I overlook something?)

but it is after the Qunari "invasion"

No it is before. You get the quest when Chapter 2 starts after the deep roads. I avoided it until now but now it is my last quest and I am not even willing to start it right now. She dies before Hawke becomes the Champion.

[Icy Magebane]

Wait, so they had an option in the game where you could save her, but then they removed it? That doesn't even make sense. As a side note, I killed Dupuis, but that's because he was summoning demons. I didn't think he was the killer, but I thought he was dangerous nonetheless.