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[Tirigon]

Dorian the Monk of Sune wrote...

I have worked for many game companies and I never did it. Matter of fact I was kinda hard on the game I worked on and the fans respected me for it. 

Maybe that´s why, instead of producing great games respected by the fans, you waste time on this thread?

[Tirigon]

moilami wrote...

Tame1 wrote...

BioWare will never reply to this without banning us all.

Would just lol. You know, share the victory, share the defeat.

And the next day we receive an email saying that we´re unbanned because there´s a total of 20 registered users left, 18 of which are mods or bioware employees.....

[VanDraegon]

I know i will get called a fanboy for this but....

What is more likely?

1. A respected game developer asks one of its employees to post a fawning, glowing review of their product on an online reviews site?

2. Someone somewhere on the 'net with an axe to grind about the game, dev or publisher fakes one?

It would be a pretty stupid move, not something smart and successful gaming businessmen and developers make. The wheels would have really have to have come off the wagon in Edmonton for them to engage in all the shady behavior this forum accuses them of.

[DTKT]

VanDraegon wrote...

I know i will get called a fanboy for this but....

What is more likely?

1. A respected game developer asks one of its employees to post a fawning, glowing review of their product on an online reviews site?

2. Someone somewhere on the 'net with an axe to grind about the game, dev or publisher fakes one?

It would be a pretty stupid move, not something smart and successful gaming businessmen and developers make. The wheels would have really have to have come off the wagon in Edmonton for them to engage in all the shady behavior this forum accuses them of.

How about, one employee of the Bioware corporation, decided, on it's own, to publish a review praising the game his company just published.

?

[Mikeslav]

I don't get it

[akayasha]

Nefarious13 wrote...

anexanhume wrote...

http://www.reddit.co...ted_metacritic/

Unfortunately, I don't think this will spawn a good honest discussion, but it does have relevance to the question of the game's reception.

This is depressing. Is this what my beloved rpg genre has sunken to? Writing reviews on your own game? Boo is rolling over in his shoebox.

It shouldn't be wrong to be proud of your own work. Is it wrong? I mean "reviews" are generally what other people think of your game, but still I don't think being proud of your combat system is necessarily something to fuss about.

[VanDraegon]

DTKT wrote...


How about, one employee of the Bioware corporation, decided, on it's own, to publish a review praising the game his company just published.

?

Certainly a possibility of course. Said employee would have to be pretty naive to actually think he/she could pull it off.

[moilami]

Tirigon wrote...

moilami wrote...

Tame1 wrote...

BioWare will never reply to this without banning us all.

Would just lol. You know, share the victory, share the defeat.

And the next day we receive an email saying that we´re unbanned because there´s a total of 20 registered users left, 18 of which are mods or bioware employees.....

18? I read from somewhere BW have some hundred employers (not including EA people). That's why (and because of other reasons) I have at times thought is this EA/BW intranet lol.

[Dorian the Monk of Sune]

Tirigon wrote...

Dorian the Monk of Sune wrote...

I have worked for many game companies and I never did it. Matter of fact I was kinda hard on the game I worked on and the fans respected me for it. 

Maybe that´s why, instead of producing great games respected by the fans, you waste time on this thread?

Maybe but In the long run I feel like my step backwards will bring two forward. 
Indieopia.com

[Tirigon]

moilami wrote...


18? I read from somewhere BW have some hundred employers (not including EA people). That's why (and because of other reasons) I have at times thought is this EA/BW intranet lol.

Yea I guess but only very little of them seem to be on the forum. If I only count those I have seen so far it´s probably even less than 10......

[DTKT]

VanDraegon wrote...

DTKT wrote...


How about, one employee of the Bioware corporation, decided, on it's own, to publish a review praising the game his company just published.

?

Certainly a possibility of course. Said employee would have to be pretty naive to actually think he/she could pull it off.

People make bad decisions every day. 

[Dorian the Monk of Sune]

VanDraegon wrote...

I know i will get called a fanboy for this but....

What is more likely?

1. A respected game developer asks one of its employees to post a fawning, glowing review of their product on an online reviews site?

2. Someone somewhere on the 'net with an axe to grind about the game, dev or publisher fakes one?

It would be a pretty stupid move, not something smart and successful gaming businessmen and developers make. The wheels would have really have to have come off the wagon in Edmonton for them to engage in all the shady behavior this forum accuses them of.

I know for a fact that 1 has happened with EA though I agree 2 is just as likely. 

[Eterna]

Guesswhotoo wrote...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH WOOOW Bioware thats pathetic so pathetic they had to resort to that> OMG that made my day so funny.!!

I think you're pathetic for posting this dribble.

[Mehbah]

Tirigon wrote...

Dorian the Monk of Sune wrote...

I have worked for many game companies and I never did it. Matter of fact I was kinda hard on the game I worked on and the fans respected me for it. 

Maybe that´s why, instead of producing great games respected by the fans, you waste time on this thread?

Congratulations. You have the maturity and intellect of a ten-year-old.

Maybe you've heard of this thing called "free time"? No? Well, people spend it doing things they choose to do. I can certainly imagine that someone who has (possibly still does) worked in the industry would care about the direction the industry is going in.

"What you have to say is irrelevant because you're wasting time on a forum/in a game/on something else" is never anything but a truly idiotic fallacy.

But yes, we certainly should praise our own work for the sake of sales rather than be honest about it, right?


Also, people are using the "it doesn't matter" card all over the place. Bioware lied about SecuROM? Doesn't matter, it's just one thing. Released a game the music composer admitted was rushed? Doesn't matter, it's just one thing. Employee supposedly bolstered the Metacritic score? Doesn't matter, it's just one thing. The games are getting, and I'm using the term very much correctly here, dumbed down? Doesn't matter. An absolutely enormous amount of DLC? Who cares, it's [Insert Logical Fallacy Here]? Bioware themselves telling people to give their game a good rating? "omg justified!!!"

If you ignore a million faults, of-****ing-course Bioware will still seem perfect. And this whole 4chan thing is the equivalent of a creationist claiming that fossils were planted by the devil. "Everyone that doesn't like the game is a mindless 4chan raider trolll!!" Yeah, it's certainly possible that some reviews were made by people who didn't care about the game and only wanted to be jerks. But you can't ****ing use that excuse to dismiss every bad review, or anything any 4chan users says, for that matter. Way too many people here treat Bioware as a damn religious idol. That's not even hyperbole! People seriously act like they can do no wrong, or that any wrong they might have done (but didn't, of course) was completely justified.

[Otterwarden]

It does matter and it will matter to them as well in the form of their bottom line. I had held back from pre-purchasing this game because of the nervousness surrounding a ME2 framework for DA. Enjoyed both ME and ME2 thoroughly, but understood fully the frustration of the RPG players when the essence of character creation was replaced with a chosen hero script. And, while it was tolerable in a SciFi setting, I was dubious of tranlating this to a high fantasy game were the audience base has a long history of a thoughtful gamestyle. The amazon.com user feedback led me to investigate a little deeper. This led me to discover metacritic and the recent chatter involving Bioware's defensive response to the low user scores, and now this sad possibility that an employee was misguided enough to post a review. For all their attempts to point the finger to troll infiltrations, this company will need to eventually sit down and address whether they think they can poke the RPG community in the eye and drag them to a dumbed down console experience. They remain a very ingenious group of game developers, so I'm hoping that going forward they will strive for more evolution and less revolution. Maybe some of them need to replay "Planescape Torment" to remind themselves what it means to be completely immersed in a story.

[warcloud64]

I'm sure this happens all the time, only this time the guy got caught, but in fairness to the guy maybe he really just likes the game? I mean how much does the user ratings really matter?

[epiccrabs]

Bioware can't pay metacritic reviewers so they have to do it with their own hands. Oh god, can't stop laughing right now. How deep do you biodrones want your hole to be? Because it sure is pretty deep.

[Mr. Siegal]

SirShreK wrote...

 DA2: Repercussions of Reviews

Chris Hoban waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out
of the air. There were trolls in the metacritic. He didn't see them, but had
expected them now for years. His warnings to Chris Priestly were not listenend
to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.

Chris was bioware engineer for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the
RPGs and he said to dad "I want to be on the RPG daddy."

Dad said "No! You will BE KILL BY TROLLS!"

There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But
now in the Edemonton base of the Bioware he knew there were trolls. "This
is Chris" the radio crackered. "You must fight the trolls!"

So Chris gotted his plasma keyboard and blew up the reviews.

"HE GOING TO KILL US" said the trolls.

"I will shoot at him" said the cybertroll and he fired the 0 scores.
John ‘ten’ded at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and
they were trapped and not able to kill.

"No! I must kill the trolls" he shouted

The radio said "No, Chris. You ARE the trolls"

And then Chris was a celebrity.

My friend, I nominate you for mod.
Or at the very least, Arl.

Modifié par Mr. Siegal, 15 mars 2011 - 02:15 .

[eucatastrophe]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Now, this is what I call a "shill review":



The guy who posted it was a mean sucker, but I LMAO'd so hard!

Good God do my sides HURT!
LMFAO

[wannawatch]

Tirigon wrote...

Dorian the Monk of Sune wrote...

I have worked for many game companies and I never did it. Matter of fact I was kinda hard on the game I worked on and the fans respected me for it. 

Maybe that´s why, instead of producing great games respected by the fans, you waste time on this thread?

Well, you know, it is rare for a developer to use any of the 24 hours in the day for anything except development.

[Tirigon]

Mehbah wrote...
.....
[massive amount of nerdrage and wrong assumptions]
....

Since most of that stuff is bullsh!t and doesn´t need to be told to me, being a harsh critic of DA2, I won´t comment. only thing I pick out:

But yes, we certainly should praise our own work for the sake of sales rather than be honest about it, right?

To be honest, why not.

Of course, one shouldn´t praise DA2 since there is little to praise about it (unless the infamous culprit was the one inventing Merrill, in which case he should praise himself:wub:) but in general, I don´t see anything wrong with being proud about your achievements, and if you are you can talk about that, too.

In fact, it rather annoys me if you trashtalk your own work. If you´re like "Hey that thing I made is total bullcrap, don´t get it!" the only appropriate response would be: "Why did you make it then, idiot?"

In a way I can understand BioWare defending their work, even though I disagree with what they say.
But admitting to have failed would be retarded since noone would respect (and rightfully so) a company that releases games even itself thinks to be sh!t.

[Dajiaocookie]

Journalistic Integrity went out the door sometime back in the mid nineties. Maybe earlier...who knows?
But with Social Media and Networking sites, we the consumer have taken back the initiative and exposed what we've always suspected, but never substantiated till now. Dragon Age 2 User Review.

Modifié par Dajiaocookie, 15 mars 2011 - 02:46 .

[Vanni127]

You all know this is simply a troll right? The only link is this person's name...who may or may not be the actual employee.

And if it is an employee of bioware...so what? It's one review. Also...who in their right mind makes up their idea about a game based on reviews anymore? Honestly.

[IREVastar]

Vanni127 wrote...

You all know this is simply a troll right? The only link is this person's name...who may or may not be the actual employee.

And if it is an employee of bioware...so what? It's one review. Also...who in their right mind makes up their idea about a game based on reviews anymore? Honestly.

I respect your viewpoint. It concerns me deeply, but I do respect it.