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[Freppson]

Vanni127 wrote...

You all know this is simply a troll right? The only link is this person's name...who may or may not be the actual employee.

And if it is an employee of bioware...so what? It's one review. Also...who in their right mind makes up their idea about a game based on reviews anymore? Honestly.

You know its a troll? Do share your intel.

I like how you miss the point on how it actually matters if its a Bioware employee.

[marshalleck]

I'm not really surprised by this. You've got to be incredibly naive to think publishers/developers don't post shill reviews of their own products on aggregate sites like metacritic. Just this time the person who did it was apparently an amateur, and made it a little too positive for it to be believable.

[Coldest]

This is just sad, BioWare. Just sad.

[Vanni127]

Freppson wrote...

Vanni127 wrote...

You all know this is simply a troll right? The only link is this person's name...who may or may not be the actual employee.

And if it is an employee of bioware...so what? It's one review. Also...who in their right mind makes up their idea about a game based on reviews anymore? Honestly.

You know its a troll? Do share your intel.

I like how you miss the point on how it actually matters if its a Bioware employee.

So it's poor practice to say your game is awesome now? Who knew. 

Or if it's the fact that if (and there is no concrete proof that it's an actual bioware employee.) it was an employee of bioware...the fact that he didn't say he was one that has everyone's panties in a wad then you all need to just take a deep breath and relax. Would there be this uproar if he'd decried the game and was later found out to be an employee? More than likely not. 

And that's being majorly hypocritical. 

Modifié par Vanni127, 15 mars 2011 - 03:13 .

[Deylar]

This is why I support Bethseda

[JediNg]

ITT: the rational minority vs fanboys and haters

[Knuckles4Chuckles]

I like how they knew the game was going to receive poor reviews, so they tried to drum it up through all of the 'Professiona Reviewers'. Stay classy.

[Vanni127]

Deylar wrote...

This is why I support Bethseda

Wow...you people still exist? 

[marshalleck]

Deylar wrote...

This is why I support Bethseda

I'm sure Bethsoft does it too. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

Bioware built themselves over many many years... Now they've gone and destroyed their reputation/credibility within a week. I've never seen so much happen with a game company in such little time. It's sad, but it still angers me that they've come to this.

-Polite

[Schneidend]

Is it not possible that two people who contributed to making a game want to tell others they honestly enjoy playing it without broadcasting their real name, address, profession and social security number to the entirety of the internets
(all 37 of them)?

Is it not equally possible that performing a handful of Google searches is not a verifiable means of obtaining accurate information?

I'd say the answer to both of these questions is a resounding "yes."

Modifié par Schneidend, 15 mars 2011 - 03:18 .

[Deylar]

Vanni127 wrote...
Wow...you people still exist? 

I have played Elder Scrolls since it first came out. Bethseda has never betrayed me or ruined their games. And I have been a member of Bethsofts forum for a while. The staff and even the members of Bethseda are so much more than Bioware. Ya know Bethseda is an amazing company, they love their game. They have passion in their games. And all they ever do is fix real problems. They also listen to their fans. 

marshalleck wrote...
I'm sure Bethsoft does it too. 

I'm sure. But in the end Bethseda still is a much kinder community.

[IREVastar]

It was recommended that I take the issues in http://social.biowar...1/index/6554394 to here instead, for the purposes of keeping a central topic rather than dispersed conversation.

I am doing so now. Though I must voice my personal concern that our attitudes, towards everyone here, risk seeing the thread locked due to an overly aggressive and hostile tone.

I have hosted the (rather large, only due to its size, not anything sinister) image of the issue at hand and its direct investigation. It is again, completely up to you to review and pass judgement on it. The image does not violate bioware forum rules, nor the simple rules of common decency.

http://biowarefan.br...00135873837.jpg

[Vanni127]

Deylar wrote...

Vanni127 wrote...
Wow...you people still exist? 

I have played Elder Scrolls since it first came out. Bethseda has never betrayed me or ruined their games. And I have been a member of Bethsofts forum for a while. The staff and even the members of Bethseda are so much more than Bioware. Ya know Bethseda is an amazing company, they love their game. They have passion in their games. And all they ever do is fix real problems. They also listen to their fans. 

marshalleck wrote...
I'm sure Bethsoft does it too. 

I'm sure. But in the end Bethseda still is a much kinder community.

So...if you love them so much and obviously don't own any Bioware games...why are you here again? Just curious. 

[marshalleck]

Vanni127 wrote...

Deylar wrote...

Vanni127 wrote...
Wow...you people still exist? 

I have played Elder Scrolls since it first came out. Bethseda has never betrayed me or ruined their games. And I have been a member of Bethsofts forum for a while. The staff and even the members of Bethseda are so much more than Bioware. Ya know Bethseda is an amazing company, they love their game. They have passion in their games. And all they ever do is fix real problems. They also listen to their fans. 

marshalleck wrote...
I'm sure Bethsoft does it too. 

I'm sure. But in the end Bethseda still is a much kinder community.

So...if you love them so much and obviously don't own any Bioware games...why are you here again? Just curious. 

Because this isn't a private community?

[Vanni127]

[quote]marshalleck wrote...
[/quote] Because this isn't a private community?
[/quote]

Thanks Captain Obvious...and also not the person I was talking to. You've been very helpful. 

[Deylar]

Vanni127 wrote...
So...if you love them so much and obviously don't own any Bioware games...why are you here again? Just curious. 

I own Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2, not at all my favorite game

Dragon Age Origins + Awakening and DA2 

I am an old school RPGr. And really like open expansive worlds. Though I did enjoy Origins, despite the lack of being able to play the game after defeating the archdemon.

I became disappointed with the changes in Awakening, but could live with them.

I admit at first I was a little weary of Dragon Age 2, but enjoyed it. Till it ended abruptly and never let me do anything. At first I was okay with puttng aside all the minor issues. But the ending abruptly put a nail through the coffin and it annoyed me. 

Even still, I see all the comments Bioware has made. And how the Director behaved by saying "consumers are afraid of change" and then something like this.

Where as being on the Bethsoft forums, I have always met the opposite response from the company. "We'll look it into" "We understand" "We're very sorry for the inconvenience this has caused you".

I mean come on in Skyrim, they are going with a whole new engine. And in one of their information logs they said they really wanted to make this game the best it can be.

Where as Bioware is telling me to get over it.

Fans have as much say as does the company. Becuase ultimately the fans are going to buy the game.

Maybe they should learn from the negative backlash and take a Bethseda road and say "let's make some good changes and listen to the community".

Ya know Bethseda is taking none of the shortcuts Bioware took. Bethseda has 10 races, and is trying to develop the world based on your choices and the quest you have taken and the places you have visted and haven't visited. They have more cities.

And it isn't that I am trying to compare games. I am comparing companies. Bethseda is willing to not take cheap corners.

Bioware, took no risk and sold what the mainstream audience wanted.

Bethseda, wants to take risk and hopes the mainstream audience enjoys it as much as the fans.

Bioware has lost their soul to corporate babble.

For me Bethseda hasn't lost their soul.

What's happening between Bioware and its community upsets me. I think community has a say and has value information and opinion.

[element eater]

if true (and there is a chance it isnt) this is disgraceful behaviour, but im sure its nothing to do with bioware rather the individual, unfortunately people will look to the company he represents not to him. i hope bioware are very upset about this and i implore them to comment as soon as possible to clarify one way or another what happened and what there response is as ignoring it will only make the situation much worse 

Modifié par element eater, 15 mars 2011 - 04:02 .

[IREVastar]

Deylar wrote...
What's happening between Bioware and its community upsets me. I think community has a say and has value information and opinion.

On this point I agree, to the point of hosting the aforementioned image.

Fans are a powerful force for advertising a game, their ferverency for a particularly enjoyed game can bring new players in who would never have listened to tens of thousands of adverts.

Fans are zealots who have studied and played to death your production to the point of isanity, simply because they enjoy it. They are overly critical, they are ludicrously forgiving. They are the best and the worst part of anything ever produced.

For a company to use that force for their own purpose devalues the ability to trust and listen to a community. The say and the value of information and opinion become nothing more than a mouthpiece, even if that is simply not the case.

And that is what concerns me regarding this behaviour. However, I respect that is a personal opinion and not fact, and that many here disagree. 

[Deylar]

IREVastar wrote...
On this point I agree, to the point of hosting the aforementioned image.

Fans are a powerful force for advertising a game, their ferverency for a particularly enjoyed game can bring new players in who would never have listened to tens of thousands of adverts.

Fans are zealots who have studied and played to death your production to the point of isanity, simply because they enjoy it. They are overly critical, they are ludicrously forgiving. They are the best and the worst part of anything ever produced.

For a company to use that force for their own purpose devalues the ability to trust and listen to a community. The say and the value of information and opinion become nothing more than a mouthpiece, even if that is simply not the case.

And that is what concerns me regarding this behaviour. However, I respect that is a personal opinion and not fact, and that many here disagree. 

Agreed.

In a way its like an ecosystem.

Get rid of the fan, you get rid of some consumers. Its really the fan that does the advertising for the game. 

Yes, it may be partly company.

But in the end the fan is whom sells and advertises the game. Its what leads to either more sells or less sells.

[vantick]

Oh please, why only focus on this? It's hardly a crime unlike a few others are making it out to be. Although it is a bit low of the employee to do, I don't think Bioware even had knowledge of this. Besides, it's one review out of how many absolute zeroes? Yeah, I wouldn't exactly place my trust on most of the user reviews there anyways, considering a lot of them are from accounts that only signed up a few days ago and have only ever given a single review.

But whatever, If people want to voice their anger, go all out.

[Silver Direwolf]

SirShreK wrote...

 DA2: Repercussions of Reviews

Chris Hoban waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out
of the air. There were trolls in the metacritic. He didn't see them, but had
expected them now for years. His warnings to Chris Priestly were not listenend
to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.

Chris was bioware engineer for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the
RPGs and he said to dad "I want to be on the RPG daddy."

Dad said "No! You will BE KILL BY TROLLS!"

There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But
now in the Edemonton base of the Bioware he knew there were trolls. "This
is Chris" the radio crackered. "You must fight the trolls!"

So Chris gotted his plasma keyboard and blew up the reviews.

"HE GOING TO KILL US" said the trolls.

"I will shoot at him" said the cybertroll and he fired the 0 scores.
John ‘ten’ded at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and
they were trapped and not able to kill.

"No! I must kill the trolls" he shouted

The radio said "No, Chris. You ARE the trolls"

And then Chris was a celebrity.

Oh now I remember why that felt so familiar

[Deadmac]

anexanhume wrote...

http://www.reddit.co...ted_metacritic/

Unfortunately, I don't think this will spawn a good honest discussion, but it does have relevance to the question of the game's reception.

I am starting to wonder if all those spam images on this site were posted by a BioWare employee. Since they were posted in reaction to negative posts, I now feel like my trust in the company has been broken. I don't think I trust BioWare anymore. After buying so many games from them, I'm feeling rather hurt by this deception.

It gets you to question if they bought all those positive ratings. Even though this one particular game didn't go over well with some, I think they should have just let the negative feedback roll off their shoulders.

First, they ban a 'consumer' and longtime BioWare fan for his opinion. Next, they decide to spam their own forums in reaction to the negative opinions. Now, they are planting fake reviews.

I feel absolutely betrayed.

Modifié par Deadmac, 15 mars 2011 - 03:46 .

[IREVastar]

vantick wrote...
 It's hardly a crime unlike a few others are making it out to be.

My personal understanding is that the practice is a legally grey area, with various cases in various countries varying in their determination.

An internet and local (to Bioware) example is this.
http://news.slashdot...er-Fined-300000

This does not degrade or affect the rest of your comment, but I wished to offer an explanation as to why some may consider it an illegal act.

[Deylar]

vantick wrote...
 It's hardly a crime unlike a few others are making it out to be.

Its not okay for the Barbie company to sell you a defected doll or advertise it as not defected.

But its completely okay for Bioware to advertise its game better than what it received?

Hmmm,....