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[wulfsturm]

I would hope that the employees at BioWare liked their own game...

[ExtinctRPG]

Front page of Kotaku.

http://kotaku.com/#!...for-himself-too

[Otterwarden]

Tirigon wrote...

So if they like their own game and it sells there is no reason to listen to the criticism.

Truer words never spoken.  If they can create the market, then there is no reason to listen to veteran RPG players.

My gut (and long time experience as a visitor to make believe realms of elves, orcs and dragons) tells me that they will see the light long before their players will adapt.

[Xaielao]

The problem isnt that a bioware employee wrote a metacritic user review and scored it 10/10. It is rather that bioware employees (thats right, two that we know of) wrote glowing reviews with 10/10 ratings without disclosing they were part of the industry, let alone part of bioware itself. Not to mention the fact that both signed up to metacritic just to do this, and had never reviewed a game before on there.

It isn't that they did it, it's that they did it without revealing who they were. They tried to sneak around and fatten up reviews on a product that is so clearly of a lesser quality to the original and who's user reviews around the web are rather lackluster.

To me that just says 'We know DA2 isn't all that great, so we are trying to pad the numbers in our favor to push sales.

Modifié par Xaielao, 15 mars 2011 - 04:20 .

[james1976]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

The metacritic user score means less than dirt. None of this matters

It actually means a lot to a good number of customers I'm sure.  There are people who will not buy a game with less than an 80 and 8/10.  They might borrow it from someone else or buy it pre-owned but they won't flip the bill on it new.

[Sharuko]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

The metacritic user score means less than dirt. None of this matters

Which is why BioWare Russia asked fans to vote on Metacritic?

[DeadJester]

The outrage over this is stupid, plain and simple.

For starters, it's a "user review" and if you think user reviews on metacritic are a fair and balanced way to determine whether or not a game is worth buying, I have a bridge I can sell you.

Seriously, how can you ever put stock in user reviews? Whenever a new Gears of War, Killzone, or other console-exclusive title comes out, the user reviews get flooded with 0/10 scores from rabid fans of the other console in an attempt to drive down the score. This in turn causes fans of said game to create a mountain of 10/10 scores to counter and thus you have basically a flame war over numbers.

It would be one thing if EA or Bioware hired a marketing firm or created a department to pad the user reviews with favorable numbers.
Or if they were found to be buying good reviews from official publications like Eurogamer or 1UP.

But to get all bent out of shape over, what, one or two favorable user reviews? Please.

And game companies live or die by Metacritic...from the publication reviews, not the user reviews.

[BiowarEA]

Agree with those who think its a fake. It's OBVIOUSLY a 4-chan'er who hijacked a BioWare employee's login to post a fake gushing review, and then leaked the story to discredit the RPG of the Millenium just for the lulz.

Which was then picked up by the reactionaries at techspot. http://techspotlight...egative-reviews and will soon be all over the interwebz.

Do I really have to explain the obvious?

[ExtinctRPG]

So Dragon Age 2 is finally out and is being met with mixed reviews. The most common argument around is that it isn’t as good as Origins but it isn’t terrible. Fair enough. Worse things could certainly be said, so you would imagine that Bioware could take the criticism with dignity. Unfortunately, Bioware has proven itself unable to act like a professional company.

[Otterwarden]

DeadJester wrote...

And game companies live or die by Metacritic...from the publication reviews, not the user reviews.

Don't believe this is accurate.  Although I'm not familiar with Metacritic per se, I have definitely seen a direct correlation between Amazon.com user review aggregate score and the time frame it takes for a new release to discount its retail price.  Already Dragon Age 2 is being offered new at $38 plus S&H. 

[Sharuko]

Otterwarden wrote...

DeadJester wrote...

And game companies live or die by Metacritic...from the publication reviews, not the user reviews.

Don't believe this is accurate.  Although I'm not familiar with Metacritic per se, I have definitely seen a direct correlation between Amazon.com user review aggregate score and the time frame it takes for a new release to discount its retail price.  Already Dragon Age 2 is being offered new at $38 plus S&H. 

Wow you are right it is 38 bucks.  Feel sorry for the people that spend $60 a week ago. 

[BiowarEA]

Ada Wong wrote...

I love how people round on this, yet ignore all the fake bull**** zero score reviews.

Metacritic should stop allowing user reviews. Too many idiots with an axe to grind... They could at least filter out 0 and 10 scores to improve the accuracy.

You're OBVIOUSLY a pirate-troll since you haven't registered the game, so your opinion doesn't count.


 

Modifié par BiowarEA, 15 mars 2011 - 05:07 .

[Maverick827]

BiowarEA wrote...

Ada Wong wrote...

I love how people round on this, yet ignore all the fake bull**** zero score reviews.

Metacritic should stop allowing user reviews. Too many idiots with an axe to grind... They could at least filter out 0 and 10 scores to improve the accuracy.

You're OBVIOUSLY a pirate-troll since you haven't registered the game, so your opinion doesn't count.


 

Why hello thar, strawman.

There is a difference between having an opinion on whether or not bogus Metacritic scores are valuable sources of information for games in general (on both exremes) and having an opinion on the gameplay of a specific game.

Which one do you think is lent credence by actually owning and having played the invidual game in question?

[Otterwarden]

Maverick827 wrote...

BiowarEA wrote...

Ada Wong wrote...

I love how people round on this, yet ignore all the fake bull**** zero score reviews.

Metacritic should stop allowing user reviews. Too many idiots with an axe to grind... They could at least filter out 0 and 10 scores to improve the accuracy.

You're OBVIOUSLY a pirate-troll since you haven't registered the game, so your opinion doesn't count.


 

Why hello thar, strawman.

I could be wrong, but I'm suspecting your sarcasm sensor is offline. 

There is a difference between having an opinion on whether or not bogus Metacritic scores are valuable sources of information for games in general (on both exremes) and having an opinion on the gameplay of a specific game.

Which one do you think is lent credence by actually owning and having played the invidual game in question?

[Otterwarden]

My response to Maverick827 is missing from above:

"I could be wrong, but I expect your sarcasm sensor is offline"

At least that was my reading of BiowarEA's comment since it caused me to LOL

[DeadJester]

Otterwarden wrote...

DeadJester wrote...

And game companies live or die by Metacritic...from the publication reviews, not the user reviews.

Don't believe this is accurate.  Although I'm not familiar with Metacritic per se, I have definitely seen a direct correlation between Amazon.com user review aggregate score and the time frame it takes for a new release to discount its retail price.  Already Dragon Age 2 is being offered new at $38 plus S&H. 

The most influence Amazon.com user reviews have over the price of the game is on Amazon.com.  It will probably have no effect at all with the #1 retail source for games, which is Gamestop.

Regardless of whether you love, hate, or are apathic towards Gamestop they are still the primary source for the majority of gamers out there.   Online distribution, in both digitial form (Steam) and physical form (Amazon.com) are on the rise but Gamestop is still the king of the hill as it were.

And I believe my point still stands about user reviews on Metacritic, which is the review site game companies care the most about.  If user reviews made any major difference with the price, the original Gears of War should have been on discount within a week of its release.  PS3 fanboys flooded so many negative reviews that, if I remember correctly, the user score was as low as 3.6 for a time. 

There are also many other factors that go into a game's price beyond reviews, supply and demand being one of them.

[DrMatta]

Pathetic and embarrassing.

I think they'd better just ignore this altogether (for their own sake).

[BiowarEA]

@Otterwarden: You win a cookie!  

[didymos1120]

Otterwarden wrote...

Already Dragon Age 2 is being offered new at $38 plus S&H. 

Not by Amazon itself, it's not.  Only the PC version can be had at that price from a few one-person operations who sell through Amazon.  For most of the large retailers who have their own sites but also sell through Amazon, it's still going for ~$60.  Same thing for Google shopping results: a couple anomalously cheap sellers, everyone else sticking close to $60.

[didymos1120]

Sharuko wrote...

Wonderllama4 wrote...

The metacritic user score means less than dirt. None of this matters

Which is why BioWare Russia asked fans to vote on Metacritic?

No, they didn't.  That was some random Bioware fansite, not an official one.

[Otterwarden]

DeadJester wrote...


And I believe my point still stands about user reviews on Metacritic, which is the review site game companies care the most about.  If user reviews made any major difference with the price, the original Gears of War should have been on discount within a week of its release.  PS3 fanboys flooded so many negative reviews that, if I remember correctly, the user score was as low as 3.6 for a time. 

There are also many other factors that go into a game's price beyond reviews, supply and demand being one of them.

Supply is controlled by the manufacturer and distributor and reviews influence demand, so I am not in disagreement with your statement that it is only one component of the price.  

What remains to be seen here is whether this game can stand on its own by creating an simplified RPG model set in a high fantasy environment?  I'm just observing the process.  I have no axe to grind with Bioware.  Mass Effect 2 was a highly enjoyable game.  However, it was not an RPG by any stretch of the imagination.  The data mining info they are getting back is quite interesting, and it clearly shows me that I'm a very small component of their Mass Effect market.  It seems that most people play the standard warrior because there is no weapon restriction.  I on the other hand was a sniper/infiltrator because it was a natural choice for a rogue.  When I replayed on nightmare I went with the Adept I believe.  Never would I go with the basic soldier.  Same goes for the feedback on element mining.  It seems that many did not do this part because they found it tedious, but those who did tended to do it in an OCD like fashion.  Well, put me in that camp, but guess what Bioware, I think that if you dig a bit deeper you will discover that many of those players were your RPG base.  There has always been a certain OCD quality to RPG games (leave a chest unopened?).  Thus, I'm skeptic that these two audiences will ever be united under one banner.  Dragon Age was supposed to be for the RPG fans, and this is why I think the feedback has been so unkind.   

[Nozybidaj]

ExtinctRPG wrote...

Front page of Kotaku.

http://kotaku.com/#!...for-himself-too

LOL I dunno why anyone would be surprised by this.  I'm sure this isn't the first time they have seeded Metacritic or other similar avenues of review sites.  Just the first time they got caught.  Since their advertising budget can't effect the user reviews the same way they can review sites I wouldn't be surprised at all to find part of the marketing team does nothing but this the first week or so after a game is released.

[Otterwarden]

didymos1120 wrote...

Otterwarden wrote...

Already Dragon Age 2 is being offered new at $38 plus S&H. 

Not by Amazon itself, it's not.

No, and I didn't expect that it would be as I've never observed that rapid a discount from Amazon.  This being said, I don't think it will be long before the Amazon price reflects the users' judgement.  No matter how you cut it, this has not been a successful launch.  They took a risk and it doesn't seem to have panned out like they expected.  Next time they might be less daring in their tinkering with a proven hit.