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[Whatever42]

So an application's engineer (techie, not developer, not designer, not project manager) posted a review of a game that his company made? This is a kick to the nuts of ever Bioware fan out there? This is worse than if they stabbed me in the FACE!

I demand that Bioware disband the company immediately. And crucify the employee on the front lawn of their office. And crucify everyone that employee has every spoken to in his life. I want blood!

[fn_outlaw]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

So an application's engineer (techie, not developer, not designer, not project manager) posted a review of a game that his company made? This is a kick to the nuts of ever Bioware fan out there? This is worse than if they stabbed me in the FACE!

I demand that Bioware disband the company immediately. And crucify the employee on the front lawn of their office. And crucify everyone that employee has every spoken to in his life. I want blood!

fn_outlaw wrote...

People are still focused on the one guy, but it says later in the post that there were MULTIPLE Bio employees, so...yeah, not the actions of ONE individual.

The reason why its a big deal is because it points at ethics. Legal or not it isn't right.

It was more than just one person, as I pointed out in my previous post...

[Haexpane]

Yao Ming was voted as an NBA all star despite being completely unable to play/injured.

I find that far more annoying than developers telling us how great their game is. I mean, are you really surprised that the guys who WANTED DA2 are now telling anyone who will listen how great they think it is?

It's no different than Justin Bieber talking about how awesome he is, it's just annoying and silly, but nothing new.

[Xx B3RT0 xX]

So, if I am to understand this, a BioWare employee, possible on the development team for DA2, created a MetaCritic account solely to review and score his own game giving it a perfect score to raise it's hype factor?

And we still have nothing from BW saying that they do or do not approve of this? I'm sorry. Even if I thought this was an amazing game, for a company to pad their own reviews is pretty f**ked up. If it's not good it's not good. If it is, it is. This is pretty shady business and I'm really hoping this was on Bobby Koticks side of the fence and not the Doctors.

[Whatever42]

fn_outlaw wrote...

It was more than just one person, as I pointed out in my previous post...

Even if a handful of Bioware employees posted their player reviews, it would make no difference. These games on sites like Gamespot and IGN get many thousands of reviews. Even the couple hundred serious haters who gave DA2 a zero will be washed out in the end.

I know piling the hate on Bioware is fun right now but honestly, people need to take a breath and get a little perspective.

[rubydog1]

Xx B3RT0 xX wrote...

So, if I am to understand this, a BioWare employee, possible on the development team for DA2, created a MetaCritic account solely to review and score his own game giving it a perfect score to raise it's hype factor?

And we still have nothing from BW saying that they do or do not approve of this? I'm sorry. Even if I thought this was an amazing game, for a company to pad their own reviews is pretty f**ked up. If it's not good it's not good. If it is, it is. This is pretty shady business and I'm really hoping this was on Bobby Koticks side of the fence and not the Doctors.

EA did respond. They said they didn't care.


"Of course the people who make the game vote for their own game. That's how it works in the Oscars, that's how it works in the Grammy's and why I'm betting that Barack Obama voted for himself in the last election."

http://kotaku.com/#!...for-himself-too

Modifié par rubydog1, 16 mars 2011 - 07:12 .

[Soilborn88]

I'm sure all the game websites were reviewed by Bioware and EA lobbyist too. 

I just don't see how this game can score as high as Origins yet deliever a lot less. The same 5 maps over and over, crappy looting system, and pointless quests over and over while stuck in the same city the entire game? 

How does that deserve a good rating? If this game wasn't Dragon Age 2 it would have suffered a bad press rating.

Modifié par Soilborn88, 16 mars 2011 - 07:13 .

[nightlordv]

Mike Laidlaw said himself in an interview with Eurogamer that they watch the Metacritic score VERY closely and if they don't score a 9 then they need to step back and see what they did wrong with the game. This comment came after the interviewer asked about the Edge Magazine review of the game which only gave it a 6.

[coomber]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Even if a handful of Bioware employees posted their player reviews, it would make no difference. These games on sites like Gamespot and IGN get many thousands of reviews. Even the couple hundred serious haters who gave DA2 a zero will be washed out in the end.

I know piling the hate on Bioware is fun right now but honestly, people need to take a breath and get a little perspective.

Exactly. Take heed, people!

[Galad22]

nightlordv wrote...

Mike Laidlaw said himself in an interview with Eurogamer that they watch the Metacritic score VERY closely and if they don't score a 9 then they need to step back and see what they did wrong with the game. This comment came after the interviewer asked about the Edge Magazine review of the game which only gave it a 6.

I hope they mean this.

[Maverick827]

fn_outlaw wrote...

It was more than just one person, as I pointed out in my previous post...

You pointed it out with even less valid evidence as the initial accusation, which is pretty impressive considering said initial accusation had absolutely no valid evidence itself.

[Lukertin]

Gatt9 wrote...
You might want to try your hand at reading comprehension,  if you go back and try again,  you'll find that I did not say anywhere that the SEC passed the legislation,  I just said it was passed.

If you go back and read what you wrote, you wrote "...an act very specifically legislated against by the SEC".  Do you understand basic concepts behind English grammar, specifically how to properly construct sentences using the passive voice?  No, you don't?  Then don't blame me for misinterpreting what you write.

You may also want to note,  it's begining to appear as if it's more than one employee(Something I already said and you completely missed),  and that if more employees are involved it becomes a serious issue.  You might even want to note that I said one employee isn't necessarily a legal issue.

Even if it is more than one employee, so what?  Unless it is shown that BioWare or EA execs encouraged or ordered this type of behavior what kind of law are they breaking?  Conspiracy to express opinions?  This is like saying a group of McDonald's employees blew up a Burger King restaurant, therefore the entire McDonald's Board of Directors and everyone down to the junior vice president of IT support is responsible.

[Stalky24]

Its called viral marketing. Its somehow dirty, but what kind of marketing isnt?
Now you learned something, I think case is closed.

[Goofy McCoy]

@Stalky

I won't dig into the ethics of this too much, but as a matter of fact, this is NOT "viral marketing". That term is best applied to the various facebook campaigns that require users to meet a threshold of responses to receive a "reward", it encourages the spread of information and interest in the product.

This was simply a very zealous review, allegedly created by a member of the creative team than a regular purchasing customer, as most would assume to be the case.

In essence, it was marketing disguised as grass roots consumer advice.

[fn_outlaw]

Maverick827 wrote...

fn_outlaw wrote...

It was more than just one person, as I pointed out in my previous post...

You pointed it out with even less valid evidence as the initial accusation, which is pretty impressive considering said initial accusation had absolutely no valid evidence itself.

...ugh...if people bothered...

Don't question the validity of posts if you're not going to bother reading...

In the OP there's a link.  Said link is to the article mentioned.  Article contains further links with evidence.  Try clicking the left mouse button a few times instead of saying there is no evidence.

Less valid evidence?  I was pointing out that the article mentioned more than one bio employee.  But I suppose I can prove that if you'd like....

Reddit Article
 ole Avanost has no problem writing a review with zero disclosure of his industry ties, as long as you pick up a copy of the “flawless” Dragon Age 2 at your nearest retailer.

Reddit Article
 According to Escapist, Dragon Age Project Manager Benoit Houle is LupoTheButcher. Metacritic review, Twitter.

There is the proof that backs up my statment.  Again, I didn't realize that you now have to prove what you read from the OP....

Modifié par fn_outlaw, 16 mars 2011 - 11:09 .

[fn_outlaw]

double post

Modifié par fn_outlaw, 16 mars 2011 - 10:59 .

[zambingo]

I can sum this entire fiasco up in one sentence:

People are dumb and need to get over themselves.

Now pick a side and chant that. Feel better? No matter what you answered smack yourself in the face and move on with life.

[VlVlsectVl]

"Anything negative you'll see about this game is an overreaction of personal preference."

I love that line from the mock review. Bioware needs to keep their employees on a leash.

[Sphynx118]

Lol how are things looking in that hole you dug for yourself bioware?

Seriously though.

Take notice and dont repeat the horror that is DA2

[Ad Dugg]

malakian wrote...

Ad dugg, if he's pirated it and you
personally frown on piracy for moral reasons, that's got no bearing on
taking the high ground on a totally seperate issue.

I just feel that if some guy complains about a dishonest emplyee and then goes on to mention that he dishonestly pirates games then the two cancel each other out in my book. But hey that's just how I see the situation so I'll leave it at that.

malakian wrote...

It is
depressing that your favourite game studio's employees dont in fact
defend their game, but pretend to be critics of their game and discount
'any' negativity, and claiming it's 'flawless'.

You might not care, but I do, and I think a lot of people would.

Also,
cloaking thane: Because theyre just from trolls. This is an
employee. The whole point of 'user' scores is so you get to see what the
user's think, not the seller. Obviously theyre keen for you to buy it.
Too keen, clearly.

He never said that he wasn't an emplyee we just presumed he wasn't. If the devs have bought the game and are playing it then I think they have the right to leave a user score for it just liek anyone else.

I honestly don't think that he set out with the idea of pretending to be anyone other than himself and if he was trying to be a user not a dev then surely he would have given fake details when signing up to the site.

The thing for me is that whoever this guy is, he's surely getting in serious trouble at work about doing this, Bioware may not have even knew he was going to do this.

So should he be fired to appease the fans?

Lets not factor in whether this guy has a wife and kids to feed and rent to pay, lets just get a pitchforks and rip him a new one because we the internet are outraged.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Dr. whoever if you cant follow logic statements then IDK what to say. (1. this was before I knew bioware had fessed up, and 2. If one is thorough enough we can certainly say who is posting)

Full disclosure is certainly needed for things like this so people can see the source, so yes I slap the wrist of bioware and tell them not to be so juvenile in the future because they are better than that....

I take issue with the fact that the authors spidey sense only tingles on a 10/10 review and not all of the 3 below ones that are largely plain jibberish, we dont even know for a fact that everyone reviewing has even played the game let alone own a copy....but I digress I doubt you'll see the point

Modifié par Cloaking_Thane, 18 mars 2011 - 02:31 .

[Ad Dugg]

Dr Impossible wrote...

I said "try again" because your argument was nonsense.

No you said that to try and sound clever, end of.

Again, even if he had pirated the game it would have no effect on the issue.

Yes it does, maybe try talking to actual people and you'll see that one day.

He pretended to be consumer with no affiliation to the company.

No he didn't you decided he was the consumer.

Now you're just getting desperate.

That's not an argument proving I'm wrong, that's just you trying to debunk me without putting any effort in what so ever.

Other people have disagreed with me and that's fine by me, I welcome that, you are however just being a troll with nothing of any use to say.

[tekraa]

Ad Dugg wrote...
He never said that he wasn't an emplyee we just presumed he wasn't. If the devs have bought the game and are playing it then I think they have the right to leave a user score for it just liek anyone else.

I honestly don't think that he set out with the idea of pretending to be anyone other than himself and if he was trying to be a user not a dev then surely he would have given fake details when signing up to the site.

The thing for me is that whoever this guy is, he's surely getting in serious trouble at work about doing this, Bioware may not have even knew he was going to do this.

So should he be fired to appease the fans?

Lets not factor in whether this guy has a wife and kids to feed and rent to pay, lets just get a pitchforks and rip him a new one because we the internet are outraged.

No one is calling for bioware to fire him, all the community really wants is a statement (not from EA dismissing it as nothing, because it IS UNETHICAL). "He never said he wasn't an employee we just presumed he wasn't."  Based on the review, and what the review said, he should have identified himself as an interested party in Bioware. "Anything negative you'll see about this game is an overreaction of personal preference."  This sentence should seal it for you concerning the state of the boards when his review was posted originally (the day of release where, if anyone watching metacritic, saw his review was the first review on the Da2 metacritic page)

[Ad Dugg]

tekraa wrote...


No one is calling for bioware to fire him, all the community really wants is a statement (not from EA dismissing it as nothing, because it IS UNETHICAL). "He never said he wasn't an employee we just presumed he wasn't."  Based on the review, and what the review said, he should have identified himself as an interested party in Bioware. "Anything negative you'll see about this game is an overreaction of personal preference."  This sentence should seal it for you concerning the state of the boards when his review was posted originally (the day of release where, if anyone watching metacritic, saw his review was the first review on the Da2 metacritic page)

Ok, if all you want is a statement saying sorry if he upset anyone then that's fine by me, infact I'd be in favour of that if it brings resolution,  people are allowed to be a little bit miffed by this, I just don't like how it's becoming something bigger than it needs to be, and I don't think it's fair to punish some guy for defending his game.  Especially over the internet where people can get irate and form opinions without the guy having a chance to explain himself.

[Dr. Impossible]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

2. If one is thorough enough we can certainly say who is posting

Yes, if you get access to Metacritic's server logs. Otherwise, no.

I
take issue with the fact that the authors spidey sense only tingles on a
10/10 review and not all of the 3 below ones that are largely plain
jibberish, we dont even know for a fact that everyone reviewing has even
played the game let alone own a copy....but I digress I doubt you'll
see the point

Then by all means go investigate those negative reviews.

Ad Dugg wrote...

No you said that to try and sound clever, end of.

No, I did not. As I just explained. Do you have problems with reading?

Yes it does.

No, it does not. A BioWare employee shilled his own game under false pretenses. Whether some guy pirated the game or rented it or bought ten copies of it makes no difference at all.

No he didn't you decided he was the consumer.

Unless otherwise stated, every user reviewer is a consumer and not a company employee.

That's not an argument proving I'm wrong, that's just you trying to debunk me without putting any effort in what so ever.

Other people have disagreed with me and that's fine by me, I welcome
that, you are however just being a troll with nothing of any use to say.

You are stupid and your posts give me a migraine. HTH.