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[DJBare]

Ad Dugg wrote...
I just feel that if some guy complains about a dishonest emplyee and then goes on to mention that he dishonestly pirates games then the two cancel each other out in my book. But hey that's just how I see the situation so I'll leave it at that.

I don't care about pirates, most sensible people know their intentions are criminal, but when it's a company you place trust and money in then it becomes questionable.

[Cloaking_Thane]

I dont have the want or care too, im simply stating that you cant have it both ways.

There is a huge disconnect b/t metacritic and everywhere else and out of the 900 or so actual reviews maybe 25 of them are coherent and reasonable on both spectrums.....quite frankly is absurd not to 100% skeptical of all the reviews

People use the nonsensical reviews to validate their opinons.....its foolish

Modifié par Cloaking_Thane, 18 mars 2011 - 02:53 .

[Ad Dugg]

Dr. Impossible wrote...
Trash

Ok, here's how it works, I say something then you say something to desprove what I just said.

Seeing as your obviously new to the internet I suggest trying www.gooogle.com and then type into the pretty white box, "how to understand posts and reply without sounding like a scholar of the jackass". 

The point of arguing is to read what the person says, then think about it and then reply, not just argue blindly because you are convinced your right.

Oh and before I go

You are stupid and your posts give me a migraine. HTH.

That's childishness at it's base form.  Rather than actually debunking me you resort to name calling. 
Well done sailor.

I don't care about pirates, most
sensible people know their intentions are criminal, but when it's a
company you place trust and money in then it becomes questionable.

Ok, fair point.

 

Modifié par Ad Dugg, 18 mars 2011 - 02:55 .

[Dr. Impossible]

Ad Dugg wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...
Trash

Ok, here's how it works, I say something then you say something to desprove what I just said.

Seeing
as your obviously new to the internet I suggest trying www.gooogle.com
and then type into the pretty white box, "how to understand posts and
reply without sounding like a scholar of the jackass". 

The
point of arguing is to read what the person says, then think about it
and then reply, not just argue blindly because you are convinced your
right.

Oh and before I go

You are stupid and your posts give me a migraine. HTH.

That's childishness at it's base form.  Rather than actually debunking me you resort to name calling. 
Well done sailor.

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

There is a huge disconnect b/t metacritic and everywhere else and out of the 900 or so actual reviews maybe 25 of them are coherent and reasonable on both spectrums.....quite frankly is absurd not to 100% skeptical of all the reviews

There's a vast difference between a company employee secretly shilling his own game and someone from 4chan trolling for the lulz.

Modifié par Dr. Impossible, 18 mars 2011 - 02:54 .

[tekraa]

Ad Dugg wrote...
Ok, if all you want is a statement saying sorry if he upset anyone then that's fine by me, infact I'd be in favour of that if it brings resolution,  people are allowed to be a little bit miffed by this, I just don't like how it's becoming something bigger than it needs to be, and I don't think it's fair to punish some guy for defending his game.  Especially over the internet where people can get irate and form opinions without the guy having a chance to explain himself.

Defending something they are proud of is one thing.  They could have come on the boards and tried to justify everything from the reapeated use of areas to the lying about auto attack until the eve of release. shilling for a game and giving it a perfect score without disclosing you are an interested party is another thing completely, I'm not so sure it would even bring resolution to the people upset by it as it remains to be a matter of ethics, to be honest, Bioware is probably doing best by themselves keeping quiet about it.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

There is a huge disconnect b/t metacritic and everywhere else and out of the 900 or so actual reviews maybe 25 of them are coherent and reasonable on both spectrums.....quite frankly is absurd not to 100% skeptical of all the reviews

There's a vast difference between a company employee secretly shilling his own game and someone from 4chan trolling for the lulz.

Each are more or less equally dishonest,  I havent played the game but I hate big corps 0/10 lul............I worked on the game every review sucks 10/10 back at you!

again people use this nonsense to validate themselves in discourse....nonsense


Is it ethical for consumers to post reviews simply for the trollololol's?

Modifié par Cloaking_Thane, 18 mars 2011 - 02:58 .

[Ad Dugg]

[quote]Dr. Impossible wrote...



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Thanks for proving my point with me having to type anything.

I'm done responding to you now so tah-tah and have fun crying into your pillow at night.

[KOP123]

Admittedly I have not gone through all 25 pages of posts here, but overall DA2 is a solid game. The only complaint that I have with the game is the ending (we really could have done with a few more years in the timeline and options for endings, but that's what happens when games have short development times).

I loved both Mass Effect games; was a fan of DA:O; I would have loved DA2 were it not for the ending so instead I just like it and enjoy playing it.

EDIT: P.S. Somehow I think the expansion pack that we all know is coming will help though

Modifié par KOP123, 18 mars 2011 - 02:59 .

[KAGORN FAERYSPLITTER]

A little shady ? I call it a little shameless. It certainly doesn't befit any serious company. Have they fired the individuals involved yet ?

[Dr. Impossible]

Ad Dugg wrote...

Thanks for proving my point with me having to type anything.

I'm done responding to you now so tah-tah and have fun crying into your pillow at night.

Modifié par Dr. Impossible, 18 mars 2011 - 03:02 .

[Eurypterid]

Okay, people, if you can't post in a civil manner and only want to spam images or sling insults at each other, then you won't be allowed to post at all. I'm looking at you, Dr. Impossible. Savvy?

Keep on topic, maintain a discussion and stop the petty bickering.

[Dr. Impossible]

Eurypterid wrote...

Okay, people, if you can't post in a civil manner and only want to spam images or sling insults at each other, then you won't be allowed to post at all. I'm looking at you, Dr. Impossible. Savvy?

Keep on topic, maintain a discussion and stop the petty bickering.

Had you actually bothered to subject yourself to Ad Dugg's posts, you would have quickly realized that mockery is the only reasonable way of responding to them.

Modifié par Dr. Impossible, 18 mars 2011 - 03:12 .

[Ad Dugg]

tekraa wrote...


Defending something they are proud of is one thing.  They could have come on the boards and tried to justify everything from the reapeated use of areas to the lying about auto attack until the eve of release. shilling for a game and giving it a perfect score without disclosing you are an interested party is another thing completely, I'm not so sure it would even bring resolution to the people upset by it as it remains to be a matter of ethics, to be honest, Bioware is probably doing best by themselves keeping quiet about it.

The thing is though is that it isn't Bioware the company, it's just one guy trying to get his game that he worked on some credit.

I don't think it's fair to blame the entire Bioware as if they are only one entity and not a company of a few hundred staff.

[malakian]

Eurypterid wrote...

Okay, people, if you can't post in a civil manner and only want to spam images or sling insults at each other, then you won't be allowed to post at all. I'm looking at you, Dr. Impossible. Savvy?

Keep on topic, maintain a discussion and stop the petty bickering.

Saying keeping on topic is rich - this topic isnt even about the bioware employee reviews, the posts have just gone that way! No idea why you closed my dedicated discussion topic for this. This is clearly the wrong place. The title looks better bouncing around the forum is my wager.

Ad - the problem is that EA have now said it's fine and equated it to obama voting for himself. But it isn't voting for yourself, it's voting for yourself as someone else. There's a reason all advertising guidelines say this is an awful thing to do.

This isn't blown out of proportion, it's a proportionally big issue as far as developer conduct goes.

Modifié par malakian, 18 mars 2011 - 03:20 .

[tekraa]

Ad Dugg wrote...
The thing is though is that it isn't Bioware the company, it's just one guy trying to get his game that he worked on some credit.

I don't think it's fair to blame the entire Bioware as if they are only one entity and not a company of a few hundred staff.

Guilt by association.  The actions of one reflects poorly on the entire company and makes them look bad.  He works for bioware and was shilling for the game without identifying himself, it is unethical, it looks bad, and relfects directly upon Bioware themselves, even if it was an innocent happening by him posting his honest opinion it still looks bad for Bioware.

[Ad Dugg]

malakian wrote...



Ad - the problem is that EA have
now said it's fine and equated it to obama voting for himself. But it
isn't voting for yourself, it's voting for yourself as someone else.
There's a reason all advertising guidelines say this is an awful thing
to do.

This isn't blown out of proportion, it's a proportionally big issue as far as developer conduct goes.

Well to be honest I haven't got any arguement against EA's quick problem solving reply.  I think the perp or Bioware should have responded.

I still don't think the guy was intentionally pretending to be a regular gamer to try and shaft us, but this is the problem that because there is a lack of communication we the forum going public, are free to speculate and build it up into "he went there to pretend to be a regualr consumer to pull a fast one on us" and I don't think that is the case.

tekraa wrote...


Guilt by
association.  The actions of one reflects poorly on the entire company
and makes them look bad.  He works for bioware and was shilling for the
game without identifying himself, it is unethical, it looks bad, and
relfects directly upon Bioware themselves, even if it was an innocent
happening by him posting his honest opinion it still looks bad for
Bioware.

Yes it does make them look bad if it was this cold and calculated plan, but I think we should try to keep focus that this is the actions of just one man who most likely didn't think he would upset so many people.

[Eurypterid]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

Okay, people, if you can't post in a civil manner and only want to spam images or sling insults at each other, then you won't be allowed to post at all. I'm looking at you, Dr. Impossible. Savvy?

Keep on topic, maintain a discussion and stop the petty bickering.

Had you actually bothered to subject yourself to Ad Dugg's posts, you would have quickly realized that mockery is the only reasonable way of responding to them.

Read the rules of conduct.

[Sen4lifE]

Unless there is a way to connect the Avanost account on Metacritic to the Avanost account on Plurk, this will not become more than a conspiracy.

It could be a foul poisonous move by a BioWare respresentative as much as it could be a foul impersonation by someone attempting to convince people of BioWare's "evil."

Use your thinking brains people, here is your evidence on one side:

Chris Habon is the name of a BioWare software tech and owns a Plurk account with the same name of someone giving a good review on Metacritic, a shady good review.

Here's your other evidence:

The reviewer on Metacritic is freshly new and has only reviewed Dragon Age II.  Just as new as the one who wrote the conspiracy report, that being his first post as stated.  And, it has already made two threads on the forums, spontaneously.  There has already been a known, organized attack on Dragon Age II reviews.

Here's your lack of evidence:

 Any connection between the Chris at BioWare to the Chris at Plurk to the reviewer.  Coincidence is still only enough for assumption: Innocent until proven guilty.

Any connection between the forum posters to the one who wrote the conspiracy report to the one who posted the review and any relevance of previous attacks.


Do with it what you will, but try to think about all points of view before jumping to conclusions.

[rhino78]

malakian wrote...


Ad - the problem is that EA have now said it's fine and equated it to obama voting for himself. But it isn't voting for yourself, it's voting for yourself as someone else. There's a reason all advertising guidelines say this is an awful thing to do.

This isn't blown out of proportion, it's a proportionally big issue as far as developer conduct goes.

No offense, but this is completely blown out of proportion.  Metacritic user reviews are hardly tested to check the veracity of the posters.  Since anyone can post virtually anything they want, I just don't see why this is even an issue.  Clearly, user reviews should alway be taken with a huge grain of salt.  Let's face it, user reviews are in no way supposed to be balanced.

As for EA, I thought their response was warranted.  I know people love to see conspiracies all around, but most times the answer is much simpler.  If Bioware was really trying to improve their score, it wouldn't take that much effort.  There aren't that many scores to begin with.  The fact that the user scores are so low suggests this is a fairly isolated incident. 

[Cloaking_Thane]

rhino78 wrote...

malakian wrote...


Ad - the problem is that EA have now said it's fine and equated it to obama voting for himself. But it isn't voting for yourself, it's voting for yourself as someone else. There's a reason all advertising guidelines say this is an awful thing to do.

This isn't blown out of proportion, it's a proportionally big issue as far as developer conduct goes.

No offense, but this is completely blown out of proportion.  Metacritic user reviews are hardly tested to check the veracity of the posters.  Since anyone can post virtually anything they want, I just don't see why this is even an issue.  Clearly, user reviews should alway be taken with a huge grain of salt.  Let's face it, user reviews are in no way supposed to be balanced.

As for EA, I thought their response was warranted.  I know people love to see conspiracies all around, but most times the answer is much simpler.  If Bioware was really trying to improve their score, it wouldn't take that much effort.  There aren't that many scores to begin with.  The fact that the user scores are so low suggests this is a fairly isolated incident. 

further it suggests trolling in the opposite direction

[Ad Dugg]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

rhino78 wrote...

malakian wrote...


Ad - the problem is that EA have now said it's fine and equated it to obama voting for himself. But it isn't voting for yourself, it's voting for yourself as someone else. There's a reason all advertising guidelines say this is an awful thing to do.

This isn't blown out of proportion, it's a proportionally big issue as far as developer conduct goes.

No offense, but this is completely blown out of proportion.  Metacritic user reviews are hardly tested to check the veracity of the posters.  Since anyone can post virtually anything they want, I just don't see why this is even an issue.  Clearly, user reviews should alway be taken with a huge grain of salt.  Let's face it, user reviews are in no way supposed to be balanced.

As for EA, I thought their response was warranted.  I know people love to see conspiracies all around, but most times the answer is much simpler.  If Bioware was really trying to improve their score, it wouldn't take that much effort.  There aren't that many scores to begin with.  The fact that the user scores are so low suggests this is a fairly isolated incident. 

further it suggests trolling in the opposite direction

And finally my back up arrives, just in a nick of time.

[AllThatJazz]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Unless there is a way to connect the Avanost account on Metacritic to the Avanost account on Plurk, this will not become more than a conspiracy.

It could be a foul poisonous move by a BioWare respresentative as much as it could be a foul impersonation by someone attempting to convince people of BioWare's "evil."

Use your thinking brains people, here is your evidence on one side:

Chris Habon is the name of a BioWare software tech and owns a Plurk account with the same name of someone giving a good review on Metacritic, a shady good review.

Here's your other evidence:

The reviewer on Metacritic is freshly new and has only reviewed Dragon Age II.  Just as new as the one who wrote the conspiracy report, that being his first post as stated.  And, it has already made two threads on the forums, spontaneously.  There has already been a known, organized attack on Dragon Age II reviews.

Here's your lack of evidence:

 Any connection between the Chris at BioWare to the Chris at Plurk to the reviewer.  Coincidence is still only enough for assumption: Innocent until proven guilty.

Any connection between the forum posters to the one who wrote the conspiracy report to the one who posted the review and any relevance of previous attacks.


Do with it what you will, but try to think about all points of view before jumping to conclusions.

You may be right. But the Internet is not the place for common sense. 

[Clonedzero]

wait, you mean someone who made a product is giving a positive review of it in the worthless anyone review section of metacritic?! MY GOD! THE HUMANITY!

even if it is true, who the hell cares? its a user review. isnt it possible for the developer who wrote said review to actually think that about his product? is he not a user of the product? seems like this is just stupid all around.

[malakian]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Unless there is a way to connect the Avanost account on Metacritic to the Avanost account on Plurk, this will not become more than a conspiracy.

It could be a foul poisonous move by a BioWare respresentative as much as it could be a foul impersonation by someone attempting to convince people of BioWare's "evil."

Use your thinking brains people, here is your evidence on one side:

Chris Habon is the name of a BioWare software tech and owns a Plurk account with the same name of someone giving a good review on Metacritic, a shady good review.

Here's your other evidence:

The reviewer on Metacritic is freshly new and has only reviewed Dragon Age II.  Just as new as the one who wrote the conspiracy report, that being his first post as stated.  And, it has already made two threads on the forums, spontaneously.  There has already been a known, organized attack on Dragon Age II reviews.

Here's your lack of evidence:

 Any connection between the Chris at BioWare to the Chris at Plurk to the reviewer.  Coincidence is still only enough for assumption: Innocent until proven guilty.

Any connection between the forum posters to the one who wrote the conspiracy report to the one who posted the review and any relevance of previous attacks.


Do with it what you will, but try to think about all points of view before jumping to conclusions.

You may be right. But the Internet is not the place for common sense. 

this is void as EA admitted and defended doing it to kotaku, citing 'barack obama probably voted for himself'. Clearly dont get the difference between voting for your product (ie the hype machine that's been ongoing up until release) and posing as a 'user' to boost review scores.

FTC Guide Concerning the Use of Endorsements and Testimonials in Advertising:
"§ 255.5. Example 8 concerns a message board with reviews and gives the example of a manufacturer's employee posting:
Knowledge of this poster’s employment likely would affect the weight or credibility of her endorsement.
Therefore, the poster should clearly and conspicuously disclose her
relationship to the manufacturer to members and readers of the message board"

[CRISIS1717]

I totally agree with the people who think the negative reviews are fake, this is obviously a plot by the neo-gestapo and the reformed illuminati who got bored of trying to take over the world and so thought they would disrupt the world economy by damaging the a triple A game franchise.

It makes total sense and if you agree with me I'm selling tin foil hats so they don't steal all our ideas.