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[Nathan Redgrave]

trembli0s wrote...

So I killed a High Dragon, an ancient Pride Demon, the Arishok, ETC ETC ETC and yet he can't trust me for 30 minutes to just obliterate the templars? Not believable at all.

Considering you were in the Gallows dungeon at the time, which is presumably one of the deeper parts of the fortess, the game may have just been ineffective at showing how bad the battle was going at that moment.

[DM Veil]

Act 3 definitely feels like it was rushed, it felt like the climax of the story was the end of Act 2 and that Act 3 was just thrown on top of it to show what Hawke becomes involved in after becoming Champion. I can understand Meredith going insane because of the ancient idol, but Orsino makes very little sense to me.

Hopefully we get some good DLC to help flesh the story out a bit.

[KenKenpachi]

Pft isainty? Mandess? NO THIS IS KIRKWALL!

And that being said, Conan and various other barbarians have told you Mages are not to be trusted. And they were right.

EDIT I have a request someone make a photoshop replacing Leo, with Hawke, Kicking mr O into the pit if you don't mind.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 15 mars 2011 - 03:02 .

[Legbiter]

I saw his death as suicide. He just gave up and decided to take as many templars with him as he could by allowing himself to be possessed.

Modifié par Legbiter, 15 mars 2011 - 03:02 .

[Vandicus]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Those who actually know the DA:O story because of the books know that Loghain is just crazy. The battle at Ostagar could've been won, and was supposed to look that way. Loghain did not abandon Cailan because of a desire to preserve the army, which is a common misconception. This all in fact ties back to a promise that Loghain made Maric when Maric demanded that Loghain stay. Loghain swears to help Fereldan, no matter the cost. Because of this, Loghain convinces Maric to kill his beloved without telling him info that might've stayed  Maric's hand. Later, Loghain wants Cailan to die because of Cailan's apparent willingness to have friendly relationships with Orlais. Loghain is so crazy that he believes Orlais to be the only threat to the country of Fereldan, which is why he rejects 200 Grey Wardens who come to save them from the Blight. In The Calling, Loghain believes that Wardens asking for aid from Maric are part of a conspiracy to assassinate Maric and attribute his death to darkspawn. Loghain appears to be heavily irrational and have some delusions that suggest he is in fact paranoid.

Loghain is NOT crazy. His mother was raped and then slaughtered in front of him with the rest of his family by the Orlesians when he was a kid. He was a hero, a legend, an icon of the indomitable Ferelden spirit. I fully understand what he did and expected nothing less from him.

In DA2 I chose the Hero of Ferelden history, where Loghain lives to see his fears come true once more. Orlais IS now threatening Ferelden again now the Blight is over. If Cailan had lived, he may as well have become Empress Celene's little **** and Ferelden an Orlesian province.

Of course Orlais wants to take over Fereldan, that doesn't make everything an Orlesian conspiracy and every person an evil Orlesian trying to take over Fereldan.

If Loghain is rational and assuming his goal is to prevent Orlais taking over Fereldan he:
A. Intentionally sacrifices a large portion of the Fereldan army to kill the Fereldan king
B. Refuses to accept support from a group famous for their neutrality in politics(Wardens)
C. Virtually ignores the Blight, not even marshalling any army to fight it whatsoever as of the time the Warden has spent a year assembling a coalition and defeats him

Can you explain to me how any of this puts Fereldan in a stronger position than if the Blight had been quashed in the first place? I say that his actions are irrational. Please explain to me how Fereldan would be more likely to be controlled by Orlais if the Blight had been crushed before it really began(in Duncan's words) and most of the Fereldan army, landscape, and cities were still intact with a popular heir on the throne?

Unless by understand, you mean sympathize, not consider a logical course of action.

[KenKenpachi]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

The Orlesian threat is one that he has fought all his life, while the Blight is one that he is not familiar with. He is not a Grey Warden (well, not until much later). At the time of the Battle of Ostagar, most people believe that this was NOT a true Blight, only a small surge in Darkspawn population.

Loghain wants Cailan gone because Cailan is an Orlesian sympathizer who wants to divorce Anora and marry Empress Celene instead. And both Orlais and Tevinter have a famous history of "helping" other countries get rid of the Blight (I forgot which one) and then refuse to withdraw their army. I'm sure Loghain knows that part of history very well whereas Cailan does not.

That is fool hardy logic for a commander to have, that would be like in the 70's or 80's a US commander refusing to work with the West German Army, in the event of a soviet attack, or the Japanese, based on the 2nd world war. Such soldiers fallow there political leaderships will, or get sent home to write about it. Political allinces change daily and rapidly. USSR And China were allies till the mid 60's early 70's, vs the US, Before that it was Russia Versus China, with the US standing around. In the 1980's then It was USSR Vs China and the US, now its the US Versus China, and to an extent Russia.

Loghain doesn't show the flexability of a good general such as, Vo Nguyen Giap, who would set aside various differenses and work with powers that previously had a problem with Vietnam. If anything Loghain being left in place would have been as much of an error as letting Old Man Mac have his nukes back in Korea.