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Mass Effect 2 was good because it was a refinement of what Mass Effect was. ME tried to be a fast-paced action rpg, and ME 2 built on and streamlined that, making it a better game. Sure the story wasn't as good, but all around it was better, and had lots of memorable fights and conversations. Now, how many does Dragon Age 2 have? Honestly Bioware, I can't remember a single fight, conversation, or quest that made me say "Wow" apart from the high dragon at the bone pit and "I want to be a dragon." and I'm in act 3. That's it. No "Ah yes, reapers," Harbinger, or nasty Loki mech bosses. Do you know why this is? It's because you tried to force DA II to be epic.

You went to extremes with the two romance options, trying to create another Morrigan with Isabella (and failing miserably because you tried) and trying to create another Tali with Merrill (whom you also failed miserably with, as Tali at least had the balls to stand up to Shepard sometimes). You went to extremes with every fight, putting in 20 bazillion waves of respawns or giving the enemies gigantic health bars. You gave the game false difficulty (assassins) to make up for the lack of tactics imposed by respawns and the lack of difficulty imposed by individually tough enemies. You tried giving everyone unique armor to make it more like ME 2. You shoved the conversation wheel into a franchise it didn't belong in, poorly. I remember once or twice in both Mass Effect games I picked an option that had Shepard say something very different from what it said. It happens to me in DA 2 almost every other quest and I roll eyes. You tried to force the game to be an action RPG, but failed utterly to make it a remotely good or fun one due to enemy numbers and health. Basically, you tried to force this to be as ME 2 was to ME 1. Only this isn't a refinement of Origins at all, it's something entirely different, and it's also bad. I have no idea why you even did this. Origins was your best selling game ever. Have you learned your lesson? All of those things fit fine in the Mass Effect franchise, but make a **** game when you try to force them into a crpg franchise.

Who am I? Total PC elitist. BG 2 was the pinnacle of RPGs and consoles drag down the quality of all multiplat games simply by existing. That's just how I feel about platforms, to shed a little background on who I am. I don't care that this is an action RPG or that it has a voiced protagonist with a set identity. I don't care that they set companion armor in stone for looks. I don't care that the inventory is dumbed down. I don't care too much that the number of mage spells was cut down massively. I do care that it does all of these things very, very poorly. I preferred Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 1, but Bioware made a really ****ty game with this one by trying to artificially create a new Mass Effect 2. All the systems they ported in from mass Effect are fine in the right game, but they didn't belong here.

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While I don't like this game any more than the next Bioware fan, I must remind you PC=/= less action.

Diablo fans, for example, are hardcore PC elitist. Their forum, which is usually dead, exploded when Blizzard said they might be thinking about future console installments of Diablo.

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Personally I thought Isabella was far more interesting than Morrigan ever was. But I'll agree Merrill was no Tali.

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The plot of this game was mindblowingly stupid and nonsensical. X randomly exploding the whole X? Oh C'MON!

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GregoriusMaximus wrote...

The plot of this game was mindblowingly stupid and nonsensical.

So at least there is a plot? I have yet to find it. If I can make myself play again that is...

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Myounage wrote...

Mass Effect 2 was good because it was a refinement of what Mass Effect was. ME tried to be a fast-paced action rpg, and ME 2 built on and streamlined that, making it a better game. Sure the story wasn't as good, but all around it was better, and had lots of memorable fights and conversations. Now, how many does Dragon Age 2 have? Honestly Bioware, I can't remember a single fight, conversation, or quest that made me say "Wow" apart from the high dragon at the bone pit and "I want to be a dragon." and I'm in act 3. That's it. No "Ah yes, reapers," Harbinger, or nasty Loki mech bosses. Do you know why this is? It's because you tried to force DA II to be epic.

You went to extremes with the two romance options, trying to create another Morrigan with Isabella (and failing miserably because you tried) and trying to create another Tali with Merrill (whom you also failed miserably with, as Tali at least had the balls to stand up to Shepard sometimes). You went to extremes with every fight, putting in 20 bazillion waves of respawns or giving the enemies gigantic health bars. You gave the game false difficulty (assassins) to make up for the lack of tactics imposed by respawns and the lack of difficulty imposed by individually tough enemies. You tried giving everyone unique armor to make it more like ME 2. You shoved the conversation wheel into a franchise it didn't belong in, poorly. I remember once or twice in both Mass Effect games I picked an option that had Shepard say something very different from what it said. It happens to me in DA 2 almost every other quest and I roll eyes. You tried to force the game to be an action RPG, but failed utterly to make it a remotely good or fun one due to enemy numbers and health. Basically, you tried to force this to be as ME 2 was to ME 1. Only this isn't a refinement of Origins at all, it's something entirely different, and it's also bad. I have no idea why you even did this. Origins was your best selling game ever. Have you learned your lesson? All of those things fit fine in the Mass Effect franchise, but make a **** game when you try to force them into a crpg franchise.

Who am I? Total PC elitist. BG 2 was the pinnacle of RPGs and consoles drag down the quality of all multiplat games simply by existing. I don't care that this is an action RPG or that it has a voiced protagonist with a set identity. I don't care that they set companion armor in stone for looks. I do care that it does all of these things very, very poorly. I preferred Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 1, but Bioware made a really ****ty game with this one by trying to artificially create a new Mass Effect 2.


One of the dumbest things I've ever heard. And I really see no similarities between these games besides a DW and voiced protagoist. Woops, forgot the fact that he's named.

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Consoles are the reason for everything wrong in the world. If Nintendo didn't blow things up with the NES, then we'd never have starvation in 3rd world country and every game would be so good players would have continuous orgasms from playing them. Yes, it'd be messy, but at least rpgs wouldn't suck! CONSOLES!

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If BG2 is the pinnacle of RPGs,then play some and have fun with it.

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Archereon wrote...

While I don't like this game any more than the next Bioware fan, I must remind you PC=/= less action.

Diablo fans, for example, are hardcore PC elitist. Their forum, which is usually dead, exploded when Blizzard said they might be thinking about future console installments of Diablo.


I said this. Mass Effect 2 was better than 1 for me despite all the actioney elements because that's what mass Effect was suppose to be. Bioware simply forced all of that on Dragon Age because "OMG ME 2 DID SO GOOD LETS MAEK IT WITH SORDS AND SPELLZ"

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Look, I'm a PC gamer myself and I don't think console gamers are stupid or fear complexity. My god, have you see how much time people spend trying to get the perfect team on sports games? Some people spend more time on that than on actually playing the whole "football" part. It isn't people who play consoles that are the problem. It's developers who think that console players are idiots that are the problem. Thinking that they would be "confused" by things like enchanting or changing companion armor. Sure there are people like that, and they might be more common on consoles than on PCs, but assuming your customers are idiots just ensures that only idiots want your product.

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Rockpopple wrote...

Consoles are the reason for everything wrong in the world. If Nintendo didn't blow things up with the NES, then we'd never have starvation in 3rd world country and every game would be so good players would have continuous orgasms from playing them. Yes, it'd be messy, but at least rpgs wouldn't suck! CONSOLES!


/kirk

"KHAAAAAAANNNSOOOLLEES"

/kirkoff

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Though I disagree with many details from your post, I have to say that your main point is pretty right spot-on, OP.
A good analysis overall.

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Myounage wrote...

Who am I? Total PC elitist. BG 2 was the pinnacle of RPGs and consoles drag down the quality of all multiplat games simply by existing. 


shut up.

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JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Myounage wrote...

Who am I? Total PC elitist. BG 2 was the pinnacle of RPGs and consoles drag down the quality of all multiplat games simply by existing. 


shut up.


U mad? Sure, ignore all the points about DA 2 in the post because of my background and platform taste. All you do is prove me right. Go back to bed kid, the adults are talking.

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JabbaDaHutt30

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Myounage wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Myounage wrote...

Who am I? Total PC elitist. BG 2 was the pinnacle of RPGs and consoles drag down the quality of all multiplat games simply by existing. 


shut up.


U mad? Sure, ignore all the points about DA 2 in the post because of my background. All you do is prove me right. Go back to bed kid, the adults are talking.


cute.

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JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Myounage wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Myounage wrote...

Who am I? Total PC elitist. BG 2 was the pinnacle of RPGs and consoles drag down the quality of all multiplat games simply by existing. 


shut up.


U mad? Sure, ignore all the points about DA 2 in the post because of my background. All you do is prove me right. Go back to bed kid, the adults are talking.


cute.

Such a charmer. Back to work with you, before the teacher sees you're posting on game forums instead of doing your schoolwork.

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*facepalm* /this thread

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JabbaDaHutt30

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Myounage wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Myounage wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Myounage wrote...

Who am I? Total PC elitist. BG 2 was the pinnacle of RPGs and consoles drag down the quality of all multiplat games simply by existing. 


shut up.


U mad? Sure, ignore all the points about DA 2 in the post because of my background. All you do is prove me right. Go back to bed kid, the adults are talking.


cute.

Such a charmer. Back to work with you, before the teacher sees you're posting on game forums instead of doing your schoolwork.


i wonder if you have the same command over authority in the bedroom as much as you do on this forum. i can hardly help myself not to request some... personal... disciplinary action, if so.

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JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Myounage wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Myounage wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Myounage wrote...

Who am I? Total PC elitist. BG 2 was the pinnacle of RPGs and consoles drag down the quality of all multiplat games simply by existing. 


shut up.


U mad? Sure, ignore all the points about DA 2 in the post because of my background. All you do is prove me right. Go back to bed kid, the adults are talking.


cute.

Such a charmer. Back to work with you, before the teacher sees you're posting on game forums instead of doing your schoolwork.


i wonder if you have the same command over authority in the bedroom as much as you do on this forum. i can hardly help myself not to request some... personal... disciplinary action, if so.


My my, somebody likes the bad boys. You'll just have to find out the ... aa .. hard way, as it were.

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If you don't have anything to say that doesn't involve attacking or insulting other forum members, stow it. Use the time you save to re-read the site rules.

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you both look ridiculous btw

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Another PC Player seeing the influence and control the niche pc gaming folks had slip away. Change, innovation and evolution are occurring and DA2 is a sign of that - and it will occur with or without you.

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Drogo45 wrote...

Another PC Player seeing the influence and control the niche pc gaming folks had slip away. Change, innovation and evolution are occurring and DA2 is a sign of that - and it will occur with or without you.

I knew he would come along. 

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Drogo45 wrote...

Another PC Player seeing the influence and control the niche pc gaming folks had slip away. Change, innovation and evolution are occurring and DA2 is a sign of that - and it will occur with or without you.


This.

Dragon Age 2 has its issues, but consolization is not one of them.

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GregoriusMaximus wrote...

The plot of this game was mindblowingly stupid and nonsensical. X randomly exploding the whole X? Oh C'MON!


No, it wasn't, and if you'd paid attention to the tensions between certain groups in DA:O, then everything that happened in DA2 made quite a bit of sense. It wasn't stupid, unless you consider having a big bad some kind of requirement for a game - or is seeing the bigger picture too hard? Does one always need an archdemon or some other gigantic monster to slay for a game to not be stupid?  DA2 involved a lot of politics, and I think it was a good story, especially given the impact on the world.