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[Debakoleriker]

JrayM16 wrote...

Myounage wrote...

Drogo45 wrote...

Another PC Player seeing the influence and control the niche pc gaming folks had slip away. Change, innovation and evolution are occurring and DA2 is a sign of that - and it will occur with or without you.

Ahh, a more obvious troll I have never seen. Our platform invented every genre. Just thought you might want to know that. Your games will always be a product of our platform.

Also, I did name lots of things they took from ME 2 and tried to force into Dragon Age. That's what the entire OP was. Maybe you'd better go back and read it?

So, who cares if all game genres were on PC originally?

Seriously, justifiying the point like that is like saying British people are superior to American people because a cross-section of American citizens can trace their ancestry to Britain. 

Also, saying your "platform invented every genre" is disingenuous.  Designers invented every genre and they worked with the PC because that's what they had to work with.  That's what was available to designers when most major genres were invented. 

Your genre-platform point is completely irrelevent.

I really want to look over a developers shoulder trying to program a game on an xbox with the nice controller n stuff. I pay good money for visual proof of this!

[Haexpane]

Myounage wrote...

Mass Effect 2 was good because it was a refinement of what Mass Effect was. ME tried to be a fast-paced action rpg, and ME 2 built on and streamlined that, making it a better game. Sure the story wasn't as good, but all around it was better, and had lots of memorable fights and conversations. .

ROFL I love how people think Mass Effect 2 was "all around better" because it has less depth, a worse story, and more talking to Emo Girls.

Mass Effect 2 was very pretty, and had a zoomed in action camera.  Mass Effect 1 was a better game, a better RPG, had more depth, and a better story.

So why was ME2 better again?  Because it was easier, dumbed down, and prettier?

[AlanC9]

ME2 's better because you're actually wrong about everything you said there. With the possible exception of 'better RPG" since there are definitions of RPG which can make that one true.

[AlineSanrider]

Haexpane wrote...

Myounage wrote...

Mass Effect 2 was good because it was a refinement of what Mass Effect was. ME tried to be a fast-paced action rpg, and ME 2 built on and streamlined that, making it a better game. Sure the story wasn't as good, but all around it was better, and had lots of memorable fights and conversations. .

ROFL I love how people think Mass Effect 2 was "all around better" because it has less depth, a worse story, and more talking to Emo Girls.

Mass Effect 2 was very pretty, and had a zoomed in action camera.  Mass Effect 1 was a better game, a better RPG, had more depth, and a better story.

So why was ME2 better again?  Because it was easier, dumbed down, and prettier?

ME2 wasn't prettier! it was the prettiest RPG ever made.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Myounage wrote...

Mass Effect 2 was good because it was a refinement of what Mass Effect was.

I disagree entirely.  ME2 just wasn't good.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Yes. Bioware has learned its lesson.

That their forums are full of trolls and haters who are still stuck in the past and have and are currently trying to smear their games and company as a whole.

[JrayM16]

Debakoleriker wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

Myounage wrote...

Drogo45 wrote...

Another PC Player seeing the influence and control the niche pc gaming folks had slip away. Change, innovation and evolution are occurring and DA2 is a sign of that - and it will occur with or without you.

Ahh, a more obvious troll I have never seen. Our platform invented every genre. Just thought you might want to know that. Your games will always be a product of our platform.

Also, I did name lots of things they took from ME 2 and tried to force into Dragon Age. That's what the entire OP was. Maybe you'd better go back and read it?

So, who cares if all game genres were on PC originally?

Seriously, justifiying the point like that is like saying British people are superior to American people because a cross-section of American citizens can trace their ancestry to Britain. 

Also, saying your "platform invented every genre" is disingenuous.  Designers invented every genre and they worked with the PC because that's what they had to work with.  That's what was available to designers when most major genres were invented. 

Your genre-platform point is completely irrelevent.

I really want to look over a developers shoulder trying to program a game on an xbox with the nice controller n stuff. I pay good money for visual proof of this!

Slight misinterpretation.  Everything is programmed on PCs, obviously.

What Myoungage seemed to be saying was that the PC platform was the first to have all genres come out on it and that this amde PC better.    I took issue with this.

I would also like to see visual proof of what you're ssaying though.   Maybe a wizard did it.

[Myounage]

Meh. The point is, ME2 was a proper action RPG, and the simplified RPG elements Bioware used in it make sense for the franchise and fit well in the game. In DA 2 they are forcibly tacked on and feel awkward / make the game awful.

[AlineSanrider]

Haexpane wrote...

Myounage wrote...

Mass Effect 2 was good because it was a refinement of what Mass Effect was. ME tried to be a fast-paced action rpg, and ME 2 built on and streamlined that, making it a better game. Sure the story wasn't as good, but all around it was better, and had lots of memorable fights and conversations. .

ROFL I love how people think Mass Effect 2 was "all around better" because it has less depth, a worse story, and more talking to Emo Girls.

Mass Effect 2 was very pretty, and had a zoomed in action camera.  Mass Effect 1 was a better game, a better RPG, had more depth, and a better story.

So why was ME2 better again?  Because it was easier, dumbed down, and prettier?

ME2 wasn't just prettier... it was the prettiest RPG ever made.



sorry for double post

Modifié par AlineSanrider, 14 mars 2011 - 09:28 .

[PuppetSoul]

LeBurns wrote...

Well I don't like games changing their fundimental makeup to play better on the consoles either, but I don't image that the developers will take the time to give us two versions of every game.  Heck this game isn't even finished and they shoved it out the door.

The gap between PC's, consoles, HDTV's are closing together and one day it will all be done in one system.  A great big HDTV with built in PC and game console abilities.  These years are what we can call growing pain years.

Granted I still must have a mouse to play a FPS.

It already has: it was called the Commodore 64.

PCs evolved AWAY from joysticks with the emergence of WASD + mouse.  It's simply superior in every conceivable category besides "Sandal Friendly".

You can still plug a 360 controller into your PC and use it though.  Nobody is stopping anyone from doing that.  The reason nobody does it, or designs games in that way, is because it's an inferior setup: why would I want something inaccurate and frustratingly simple when I already have a keyboard and mouse on the machine I'd be hooking it up to?

So whenever you see the words "console friendly"  or that it has been redesigned for control pads, what they're actually saying is that they DEVOLVED, not evolved, the game and control system to work with consoles and their benchmark-in-time unupgradability.  Consolification is ALWAYS a negative.

[Haexpane]

AlanC9 wrote...

ME2 's better because you're actually wrong about everything you said there. 

Umm are you actually going to list any specifics?

ME2

• Better graphics
• Zoomed in camera to show off better graphics
• Less control over party members
• Less abilities/classes
• No inventory
• RAnk Up /mission complete screen instead of actual RPG leveling.
• No ammo
• Story is "gather your bro dawgs and PARTY at the end boss"
• Strategic gameplay with RPG elements replaced with generic cover shooting
• Lame Emo/ Rocker Bad Grrrlll Chicks w/ silly tatts
• Ass shots
• Tali fan service
• Smoking Man from Xfiles as a main character? ROFLazy
• Anything resembling RPG gameplay removed err, I mean "streamlined"

ME1

• an actual story that isn't just "find your buds"
• Actual RPG systems, and abilities and stats that affect gameplay
• No crap ZOOMED in kiddy camera
• Levels are not based on pick up trucks and hiding behind boxes
• The ability to control your RPG party's gear and leveling
• UNiverse feels big, story feels important
• No Jumping the Shark like having the SMoking Guy from Xfiles
• Levels are not "streamlined" hallways funneling you to the objectives.

[AlanC9]

PuppetSoul wrote...
You can still plug a 360 controller into your PC and use it though.  Nobody is stopping anyone from doing that.  The reason nobody does it, or designs games in that way, is because it's an inferior setup: why would I want something inaccurate and frustratingly simple when I already have a keyboard and mouse on the machine I'd be hooking it up to?

This isn't actually true. Before DA2 released there were many threads from people wanting to use a controller with it on their PCs.

Don't ask me why.

[Haexpane]

AlineSanrider wrote...

 


ME2 wasn't prettier! it was the prettiest RPG ever made.

You mean ME2 is the prettiest XBOX Cover Shooter ever made, ME2 is not an RPG

[Ponchoe]

This is just ridiculous, "ME2 ISNT LIKE BAUDLERS GATE WHERE DID MY RPG GOES???"

Enough. Unless Bioware starts implementing dice rolls again and we all go back to dnd rules, the "hardcore role-players who love immersionszzz" will never be satisfied.

[AlineSanrider]

Haexpane wrote...

AlineSanrider wrote...

 


ME2 wasn't prettier! it was the prettiest RPG ever made.

You mean ME2 is the prettiest XBOX Cover Shooter ever made, ME2 is not an RPG

maybe but it was fun any way

[Maw-bari]

OP youre as close minded as Meredith...
PC's are personal computers, people dont have to make every game for the computers and not everyone has them.
Consoles are inexpensiveand are mainly there for games and to socialize with friends on games, because not everyone can afford to keep upgrading their components such as RAM, Graphics Card etc..
i.e. Gtfo of your basement, go and socialize, make friends with same console, friends play a multiplayer with you.

And like you said:
"Who am I? Total PC elitist. BG 2 was the pinnacle of RPGs and consoles drag down the quality of all multiplat games simply by existing. That's just how I feel about platforms, to shed a little background on who I am. I don't care that this is an action RPG or that it has a voiced protagonist with a set identity. I don't care that they set companion armor in stone for looks. I don't care that the inventory is dumbed down. I don't care too much that the number of mage spells was cut down massively. I do care that it does all of these things very, very poorly. I preferred Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 1, but Bioware made a really ****ty game with this one by trying to artificially create a new Mass Effect 2. All the systems they ported in from mass Effect are fine in the right game, but they didn't belong here."

Why bash the game? Its not like you can make a better game. I agree Dragon Age 2 had some flaws, but Bioware didnt make a ****ty game. They only experimented with the Dialogue Wheel
(which made dialogue options easier and not a headache) and some elements from ME. Probably if requested, they'll change some things about the next Dragon Age to make it better .
BTW this isnt a perfect sequel, they shouldve named it another title

[AlanC9]

Haexpane wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ME2 's better because you're actually wrong about everything you said there. 

Umm are you actually going to list any specifics?

Not on a DA2 board, I wasn't.

But I'll indulge you a little...

Less control over party members

This from the person who didn't use the control options he had in ME2?

Less abilities/classes

Number of classes is the same last time I checked

No inventory

Yep. A good thing. I wanted this in KotOR.

Rank Up /mission complete screen instead of actual RPG leveling.

How is this incompatible with actual RPG leveling.? In AD&D itself all leveling happens after the current mission is completed.

No ammo

Huh?

Strategic gameplay with RPG elements replaced with generic cover shooting

ME1 had strategic gameplay? Where were they hiding it?
But really, what we've got here is a bunch of personal taste stuff where our tastes simply differ, and a general difference on traditional RPG mechanics. You like those mechanics for themselves, I like them only if they suit the situation.

I thought ME2 should have gone a little farther with items, actually. If shops and cash had been completely removed it would have been perfect.

[M8DMAN]

I find it funny he claims to be a PC elitist yet he loves ME and ME2 which were both primarily designed with console's in mind.

God threads like this are getting old.

[Myounage]

Maw-bari wrote...

OP youre as close minded as Meredith...
PC's are personal computers, people dont have to make every game for the computers and not everyone has them.
Consoles are inexpensiveand are mainly there for games and to socialize with friends on games, because not everyone can afford to keep upgrading their components such as RAM, Graphics Card etc..
i.e. Gtfo of your basement, go and socialize, make friends with same console, friends play a multiplayer with you.

And like you said:
"Who am I? Total PC elitist. BG 2 was the pinnacle of RPGs and consoles drag down the quality of all multiplat games simply by existing. That's just how I feel about platforms, to shed a little background on who I am. I don't care that this is an action RPG or that it has a voiced protagonist with a set identity. I don't care that they set companion armor in stone for looks. I don't care that the inventory is dumbed down. I don't care too much that the number of mage spells was cut down massively. I do care that it does all of these things very, very poorly. I preferred Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 1, but Bioware made a really ****ty game with this one by trying to artificially create a new Mass Effect 2. All the systems they ported in from mass Effect are fine in the right game, but they didn't belong here."

Why bash the game? Its not like you can make a better game. I agree Dragon Age 2 had some flaws, but Bioware didnt make a ****ty game. They only experimented with the Dialogue Wheel
(which made dialogue options easier and not a headache) and some elements from ME. Probably if requested, they'll change some things about the next Dragon Age to make it better .
BTW this isnt a perfect sequel, they shouldve named it another title

Oh my god, reading one or two sentences per line is such a headache! ZOMMGGG STUPID PC GAMES!

[Haexpane]

simfamSP wrote...
 
[*]ME is an action RPG is was meant to be that from the very beggining ME2 improved on that.

[*]Actually Bioware themselves have stated that during Dev on ME2 when they started without any inventory or other RPG elements from ME1, just to build the game mechanics, they decided at that point that they didn't need the inventory or other RPG aspects.
[*]So it's not at all that "ME2 was the game that they wanted in the first place"  ME2 is the game that organically grew out of the development cycle.
[*]The bottom line is Bioware is just more interested in making Flashy/Awesome/Graphics intensive, Framed narrative driving action games now.
[*]

[Haexpane]

AlanC9 wrote...


 

Less control over party members

This from the person who didn't use the control options he had in ME2?
 

I already debunked that in another thread.  ME2 has LESS options for control over the party, gameplay, leveling, inventory, everything.

Your comment from the other thread was about issuing orders to squad mates.  ROFL the SOCOM 2 design template.

Hooray, Bioware turned an epic space RPG Mass Effect nto a prettier version of SOCOM 2/Gears of War.  You win.  

RPG fans lose.

Modifié par Haexpane, 14 mars 2011 - 09:49 .

[AlineSanrider]

Ponchoe wrote...

This is just ridiculous, "ME2 ISNT LIKE BAUDLERS GATE WHERE DID MY RPG GOES???"

Enough. Unless Bioware starts implementing dice rolls again and we all go back to dnd rules, the "hardcore role-players who love immersionszzz" will never be satisfied.

speaking of the old d&d rules...old republic going to be the real disappointment...


whare is KOTOR 3??????

[Haexpane]

AlineSanrider wrote...
 


whare is KOTOR 3??????

Once you see the screenshots from TOR online, you will stop asking for it