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[aftohsix]

I like the thread title Bioware should hire OP. OP sounds like someone who knows the ins and outs of developing a great game.

[Elspath]

Im a large fan of Bioware. I have played all there games other then the Sonic game (no comment) but after finishing Dragon age 2 i must say i am disappointed. I fear for bioware and what the next step will take. But it is a company and they are making allot of money compared to many other company's. We are supplying that money. I guess it comes down to whats more important. Quality gaming that takes things to the next step in RPGs. Or the next pay check?

Xplay (g4tv) gave Dragon Age 2 a 3 out of 5. A average score. the lowest score they have ever given to a Bioware game. To me, that means something...

[Elspath]

Modifié par Elspath, 14 mars 2011 - 11:33 .

[Kemor]

Drogo45 wrote...

Another PC Player seeing the influence and control the niche pc gaming folks had slip away. Change, innovation and evolution are occurring and DA2 is a sign of that - and it will occur with or without you.

Change does not mean that EVERYTHING has to become the exact same copy.

- Diablo is diablo style. Plenty of these to go around nowdays. Some people like it, some don't. No problem.
- Mass Effect is Mass effect style. Action packed with some story telling, very "movie" like. Some people like it, some don't, no problem.
- Dragon Age WAS Dragon Age style...Now it's just Mass Effect AND Diablo style at the same time. Imagine if Blizzard made Diablo 3 more like Final Fantasy Tactics than Diablo 2? I'd probably like it, but most Diablo fans would hate it.

Moving away from all the RPGs/Tactical elements from Dragon Age was a horrible mistake (not even gonna mention the mornic stories/plots). NOBODY needed that kind of merger and everyone was fine with styles being separated, to each his own in a way. You cannot force people like me, who nearly only play tactical games/purist RPGs to enjoy that crap of a game, so you just end up losing us as customers in the long run.


Edit:
I've been following every thing Bioware has been doing since it's creation so I'm not going "I'll never buy any bioware game ever game" but they need to accept their own past if they want to move forward I think with the same successes. Button mashers/Super fast action packed/Lame story fans did NOT bring Bioware to where it is now, we RPG geeks did.

Modifié par Kemor, 14 mars 2011 - 11:46 .

[fsfsfsfsfsfsf]

Shatterkiss wrote...

Look, I'm a PC gamer myself and I don't think console gamers are stupid or fear complexity. My god, have you see how much time people spend trying to get the perfect team on sports games? Some people spend more time on that than on actually playing the whole "football" part. It isn't people who play consoles that are the problem. It's developers who think that console players are idiots that are the problem. Thinking that they would be "confused" by things like enchanting or changing companion armor. Sure there are people like that, and they might be more common on consoles than on PCs, but assuming your customers are idiots just ensures that only idiots want your product.

http://www.escapistm...2454-Easy-Games

[MDarwin]

Seems to me that the former only CEO of BW, can not stand up against the rest of the EA Board, where this Said Board takes now BW.

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Belevorn wrote...

I find interesting that people care so much about mechanics, etc. when in a RPG what should matter most is the story.

Then the story... You cannot say that a story lacks depth just because in this sequel we are not the "savior of the world" and we have to fght the mighty-archdemon-who-commands-huge-armies. I think this game is more... personal. It doesn't try to make you feel like if you were a superhero banishing all evil from the world, more like a normal guy running from one place and trying to find his place in a new home. Around that you see the story of all your companions, which IMHO are great and improves the story greatly.
So far (I'm almost finishing the game) I think the story is a very good one, which doesn't need to feel "epic" to be enjoyable. 36 hours of gameplay until now and though I think DA2 could be improved, I feel it as good as DA:O, though of course less challenging.
I've been playing RPGs for 20 years, first on pen & paper and then on PC, and though I agree that Baldur's Gate 2 was one of the best games I've ever played, Dragon Age has been so far a good surprise and a proof of how good Bioware moved into new generation games. This is just an opinion, but I really hope we'll get more of the Mass Effect and Dragon Age franchises beyond the planned trilogies.

If you only care about stories, buy a good book. I could understand that argument about old style Adventure games, but RPG's can be far more than just a story. Look at something like Magic the Gathering. That shows how interesting and complex combat can be in a fantasy setting. A good RPG can have a similar kind of depth to combat, while still being exciting, good to look at, AND compelling as a story. The sky is the limit really with an RPG, so it's sad when a game like this sets its sights so incredibly low.

[Byth]

Xplay (g4tv) gave Dragon Age 2 a 3 out of 5. A average score. the lowest score they have ever given to a Bioware game. To me, that means something...

The reviewer of Dragon Age 2 is not the same as the reviewer of Origins, he even said it himself that he was lukewarm about DA:O.

[surveyor376]

I'm going to repost something I put in another thread:

There are many problems with Dragon Age, and Bioware in general. It's like they gave a big "F you" to their fans that made them what they were. It was fun while it lasted though...

My biggest issue with their new direction? Multi-platforming. It's clear they're taking a much more streamlined and simplified approach when it comes to their gameplay. Their games are only immersive in the graphical sense now. Remember when games had spellbooks with hundreds of spells? Remember when there were a plethora of skills your characters learned that made them so unique? Even though RPGs of the past weren't the most balanced and polished pieces of work, there was always so much more content and much more soul poured into the games. Everything but the graphics have gone downhill now. Such a shame.

I don't think I'm ever going to be buying another Bioware product ever again. I was so happy to support them with the Icewind Dale and Baldur's Gate series, as well as Planescape: Torment and Neverwinter Nights (which wasn't that great, but still). I only bought DA:O on a Christmas sale on Steam so I got it really cheap, and I haven't even poured more than 3 hours into it collectively yet. I'm so disappointed with DA2 that I wouldn't even bother pirating it.

[Myounage]

Wow. Did someone just nuke the entire thread for ****s and giggles? Nevermind. refreshed and now the thread is normal. Second ago every non-op post and Bioware post was gone.

Modifié par Myounage, 14 mars 2011 - 11:48 .

[Grakz]

Haexpane wrote...

AlineSanrider wrote...

 


ME2 wasn't prettier! it was the prettiest RPG ever made.

You mean ME2 is the prettiest XBOX Cover Shooter ever made, ME2 is not an RPG

At some point will you figure out that your opinion is not fact?

[Grakz]

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

Belevorn wrote...

I find interesting that people care so much about mechanics, etc. when in a RPG what should matter most is the story.

Then the story... You cannot say that a story lacks depth just because in this sequel we are not the "savior of the world" and we have to fght the mighty-archdemon-who-commands-huge-armies. I think this game is more... personal. It doesn't try to make you feel like if you were a superhero banishing all evil from the world, more like a normal guy running from one place and trying to find his place in a new home. Around that you see the story of all your companions, which IMHO are great and improves the story greatly.
So far (I'm almost finishing the game) I think the story is a very good one, which doesn't need to feel "epic" to be enjoyable. 36 hours of gameplay until now and though I think DA2 could be improved, I feel it as good as DA:O, though of course less challenging.
I've been playing RPGs for 20 years, first on pen & paper and then on PC, and though I agree that Baldur's Gate 2 was one of the best games I've ever played, Dragon Age has been so far a good surprise and a proof of how good Bioware moved into new generation games. This is just an opinion, but I really hope we'll get more of the Mass Effect and Dragon Age franchises beyond the planned trilogies.

If you only care about stories, buy a good book. .

Maybe you can realize people have different opinions and wants from a game, join us in the grown up world.  If he wants stories out of an RPG, what makes you so god like that you think you can tell him "no read a book"?

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Grakz wrote...

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

Belevorn wrote...

I find interesting that people care so much about mechanics, etc. when in a RPG what should matter most is the story.

Then the story... You cannot say that a story lacks depth just because in this sequel we are not the "savior of the world" and we have to fght the mighty-archdemon-who-commands-huge-armies. I think this game is more... personal. It doesn't try to make you feel like if you were a superhero banishing all evil from the world, more like a normal guy running from one place and trying to find his place in a new home. Around that you see the story of all your companions, which IMHO are great and improves the story greatly.
So far (I'm almost finishing the game) I think the story is a very good one, which doesn't need to feel "epic" to be enjoyable. 36 hours of gameplay until now and though I think DA2 could be improved, I feel it as good as DA:O, though of course less challenging.
I've been playing RPGs for 20 years, first on pen & paper and then on PC, and though I agree that Baldur's Gate 2 was one of the best games I've ever played, Dragon Age has been so far a good surprise and a proof of how good Bioware moved into new generation games. This is just an opinion, but I really hope we'll get more of the Mass Effect and Dragon Age franchises beyond the planned trilogies.

If you only care about stories, buy a good book. .

Maybe you can realize people have different opinions and wants from a game, join us in the grown up world.  If he wants stories out of an RPG, what makes you so god like that you think you can tell him "no read a book"?

If you were a real grown up you would understand my view better. The story in a good book is MASSIVELY better than the story in these games. But the point of my post is that an RPG can have a good story AND other good aspects. Why limit it to just one thing all of a sudden?

Modifié par fsfsfsfsfsfsf, 14 mars 2011 - 11:54 .

[Aesieru]

A good book can be a good game.

[fsfsfsfsfsfsf]

Aesieru wrote...

A good book can be a good game.

Yes it can, but it's already often done this way in Adventure games. The whole point of an RPG though is that YOU are playing the role, so it lends itself to being more interactive.

Modifié par fsfsfsfsfsfsf, 15 mars 2011 - 12:06 .

[Grakz]

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

Grakz wrote...

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

Belevorn wrote...

I find interesting that people care so much about mechanics, etc. when in a RPG what should matter most is the story.

Then the story... You cannot say that a story lacks depth just because in this sequel we are not the "savior of the world" and we have to fght the mighty-archdemon-who-commands-huge-armies. I think this game is more... personal. It doesn't try to make you feel like if you were a superhero banishing all evil from the world, more like a normal guy running from one place and trying to find his place in a new home. Around that you see the story of all your companions, which IMHO are great and improves the story greatly.
So far (I'm almost finishing the game) I think the story is a very good one, which doesn't need to feel "epic" to be enjoyable. 36 hours of gameplay until now and though I think DA2 could be improved, I feel it as good as DA:O, though of course less challenging.
I've been playing RPGs for 20 years, first on pen & paper and then on PC, and though I agree that Baldur's Gate 2 was one of the best games I've ever played, Dragon Age has been so far a good surprise and a proof of how good Bioware moved into new generation games. This is just an opinion, but I really hope we'll get more of the Mass Effect and Dragon Age franchises beyond the planned trilogies.

If you only care about stories, buy a good book. .

Maybe you can realize people have different opinions and wants from a game, join us in the grown up world.  If he wants stories out of an RPG, what makes you so god like that you think you can tell him "no read a book"?

If you were a real grown up you would understand my view better. The story in a good book is MASSIVELY better than the story in these games. But the point of my post is that an RPG can have a good story AND other good aspects. Why limit it to just one thing all of a sudden?

I undertand the idiocy of your comment just fine child.  You're naive and have no concept that other people have different opinoins, and some people might soley base an RPG on a good story.  Yah i get it.

[moilami]

Grakz wrote...

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

Grakz wrote...

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

Belevorn wrote...

I find interesting that people care so much about mechanics, etc. when in a RPG what should matter most is the story.

Then the story... You cannot say that a story lacks depth just because in this sequel we are not the "savior of the world" and we have to fght the mighty-archdemon-who-commands-huge-armies. I think this game is more... personal. It doesn't try to make you feel like if you were a superhero banishing all evil from the world, more like a normal guy running from one place and trying to find his place in a new home. Around that you see the story of all your companions, which IMHO are great and improves the story greatly.
So far (I'm almost finishing the game) I think the story is a very good one, which doesn't need to feel "epic" to be enjoyable. 36 hours of gameplay until now and though I think DA2 could be improved, I feel it as good as DA:O, though of course less challenging.
I've been playing RPGs for 20 years, first on pen & paper and then on PC, and though I agree that Baldur's Gate 2 was one of the best games I've ever played, Dragon Age has been so far a good surprise and a proof of how good Bioware moved into new generation games. This is just an opinion, but I really hope we'll get more of the Mass Effect and Dragon Age franchises beyond the planned trilogies.

If you only care about stories, buy a good book. .

Maybe you can realize people have different opinions and wants from a game, join us in the grown up world.  If he wants stories out of an RPG, what makes you so god like that you think you can tell him "no read a book"?

If you were a real grown up you would understand my view better. The story in a good book is MASSIVELY better than the story in these games. But the point of my post is that an RPG can have a good story AND other good aspects. Why limit it to just one thing all of a sudden?

I undertand the idiocy of your comment just fine child.  You're naive and have no concept that other people have different opinoins, and some people might soley base an RPG on a good story.  Yah i get it.

Have you read any books?

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Grakz wrote...

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

Grakz wrote...

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

Belevorn wrote...

I find interesting that people care so much about mechanics, etc. when in a RPG what should matter most is the story.

Then the story... You cannot say that a story lacks depth just because in this sequel we are not the "savior of the world" and we have to fght the mighty-archdemon-who-commands-huge-armies. I think this game is more... personal. It doesn't try to make you feel like if you were a superhero banishing all evil from the world, more like a normal guy running from one place and trying to find his place in a new home. Around that you see the story of all your companions, which IMHO are great and improves the story greatly.
So far (I'm almost finishing the game) I think the story is a very good one, which doesn't need to feel "epic" to be enjoyable. 36 hours of gameplay until now and though I think DA2 could be improved, I feel it as good as DA:O, though of course less challenging.
I've been playing RPGs for 20 years, first on pen & paper and then on PC, and though I agree that Baldur's Gate 2 was one of the best games I've ever played, Dragon Age has been so far a good surprise and a proof of how good Bioware moved into new generation games. This is just an opinion, but I really hope we'll get more of the Mass Effect and Dragon Age franchises beyond the planned trilogies.

If you only care about stories, buy a good book. .

Maybe you can realize people have different opinions and wants from a game, join us in the grown up world.  If he wants stories out of an RPG, what makes you so god like that you think you can tell him "no read a book"?

If you were a real grown up you would understand my view better. The story in a good book is MASSIVELY better than the story in these games. But the point of my post is that an RPG can have a good story AND other good aspects. Why limit it to just one thing all of a sudden?

I undertand the idiocy of your comment just fine child.  You're naive and have no concept that other people have different opinoins, and some people might soley base an RPG on a good story.  Yah i get it.

No you don't get it at all. This is not a personal taste issue, it's a common sense issue. If your sole interest is story, then why not get it where it's best? Books, even movies, or even Adventure games which offer a very good interactive gaming equivalent. To question people wanting more than just a story in an RPG, when you have these FAR better alternatives, is just stupid, selfish, and short sighted.

You can scream idiot and insist I'm a child all you want, it won't make your point of view and less moronic. Now excuse me while I go criticise Ford for not focusing entirely on storage compartments in their cars. It's getting pretty cramped in here, what with my PC, bed, refrigerator, and a family of 5.

moilami wrote...

Have you read any books?

I think you could be forgiven for taking a wild guess on that one

Modifié par fsfsfsfsfsfsf, 15 mars 2011 - 12:43 .

[stu117]

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

No you don't get it at all. This is not a personal taste issue, it's a common sense issue. If your sole interest is story, then why not get it where it's best? Books, even movies, or even Adventure games which offer a very good interactive gaming equivalent. To question people wanting more than just a story in an RPG, when you have these FAR better alternatives, is just stupid, selfish, and short sighted.

You can scream idiot and insist I'm a child all you want, it won't make your point of view and less moronic. Now excuse me while I go criticise Ford for not focusing entirely on storage compartments in their cars. It's getting pretty cramped in here, what with my PC, bed, refrigerator, and a family of 5.

Its not a common sense issue... i play bioware games for their stories...because their always good i didnt know picking a source of personal entertainment was selfish..... maybe your the selfish one looking for certain mechanics to cader to your preferences....lol

[Contempris]

I swear internet arrogance is outstanding. Yes I did compare real-life tactics to video games, if these games are so called "simulations" then I have every right to do so (Sorry they're not quite there yet). Second, reconizing genocide wasn't the point of my argument. THIRD Mass Effect 2's story isn't anywhere over anyones head to comperhend, you probrably think Metal Gear Solid 2 has an Epic Plot as well. BioWare has never been able to come up with a "good" stories. However their dialogue and pacing is usually superb. Minus of course Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 2.

Modifié par Contempris, 15 mars 2011 - 01:00 .

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stu117 wrote...

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

No you don't get it at all. This is not a personal taste issue, it's a
common sense issue. If your sole interest is story, then why not get it
where it's best? Books, even movies, or even Adventure games which offer
a very good interactive gaming equivalent. To question people wanting
more than just a story in an RPG, when you have these FAR better
alternatives, is just stupid, selfish, and short sighted.

You
can scream idiot and insist I'm a child all you want, it won't make your
point of view and less moronic. Now excuse me while I go criticise Ford
for not focusing entirely on storage compartments in their cars. It's
getting pretty cramped in here, what with my PC, bed, refrigerator, and a
family of 5.

Its not a common sense issue... i play
bioware games for their stories...because their always good i didnt know
picking a source of personal entertainment was selfish..... maybe your
the selfish one looking for certain mechanics to cader to your
preferences....lol

Wow, you don't understand either, I don't think I could have made it any clearer. Maybe if you actually read some books you would have a better chance of understanding such a simple point of view, and maybe you would learn how
to communicate in basic English too.

But you know, I guess... now that Bioware have shamelessly aimed squarely at the retarded console gamer audience, people like are going to be the new residents of this forum now. Enjoy! Don't be alarmed if the furniture still feels warm, that was just the recently departed audience who supported the company for sixteen years, and got unceremoniously ejected to make way for you guys.

Modifié par fsfsfsfsfsfsf, 15 mars 2011 - 01:01 .

[stu117]

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

stu117 wrote...

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

No you don't get it at all. This is not a personal taste issue, it's a
common sense issue. If your sole interest is story, then why not get it
where it's best? Books, even movies, or even Adventure games which offer
a very good interactive gaming equivalent. To question people wanting
more than just a story in an RPG, when you have these FAR better
alternatives, is just stupid, selfish, and short sighted.

You
can scream idiot and insist I'm a child all you want, it won't make your
point of view and less moronic. Now excuse me while I go criticise Ford
for not focusing entirely on storage compartments in their cars. It's
getting pretty cramped in here, what with my PC, bed, refrigerator, and a
family of 5.

Its not a common sense issue... i play
bioware games for their stories...because their always good i didnt know
picking a source of personal entertainment was selfish..... maybe your
the selfish one looking for certain mechanics to cader to your
preferences....lol

Wow, you don't understand either, I don't think I could have made it any clearer. Maybe if you actually read some books you would have a better chance of understanding such a simple point of view, and maybe you would learn how
to communicate in basic English too.

But you know, I guess... now that Bioware have shamelessly aimed squarely at the retarded console gamer audience, people like are going to be the new residents of this forum now. Enjoy! Don't be alarmed if the furniture still feels warm, that was just the recently departed audience who supported the company for sixteen years, and got unceremoniously ejected to make way for you guys.

thank god i was gettin tired of people like you anyways

[stu117]

Contempris wrote...

I swear internet arrogance is outstanding. .

Im glad you reckognized your flaw i forgive you

[gpk13]

Myounage wrote...

Mass Effect 2 was good because it was a refinement of what Mass Effect was. ME tried to be a fast-paced action rpg, and ME 2 built on and streamlined that, making it a better game. Sure the story wasn't as good, but all around it was better, and had lots of memorable fights and conversations. Now, how many does Dragon Age 2 have? Honestly Bioware, I can't remember a single fight, conversation, or quest that made me say "Wow" apart from the high dragon at the bone pit and "I want to be a dragon." and I'm in act 3. That's it. No "Ah yes, reapers," Harbinger, or nasty Loki mech bosses. Do you know why this is? It's because you tried to force DA II to be epic.

You went to extremes with the two romance options, trying to create another Morrigan with Isabella (and failing miserably because you tried) and trying to create another Tali with Merrill (whom you also failed miserably with, as Tali at least had the balls to stand up to Shepard sometimes). You went to extremes with every fight, putting in 20 bazillion waves of respawns or giving the enemies gigantic health bars. You gave the game false difficulty (assassins) to make up for the lack of tactics imposed by respawns and the lack of difficulty imposed by individually tough enemies. You tried giving everyone unique armor to make it more like ME 2. You shoved the conversation wheel into a franchise it didn't belong in, poorly. I remember once or twice in both Mass Effect games I picked an option that had Shepard say something very different from what it said. It happens to me in DA 2 almost every other quest and I roll eyes. You tried to force the game to be an action RPG, but failed utterly to make it a remotely good or fun one due to enemy numbers and health. Basically, you tried to force this to be as ME 2 was to ME 1. Only this isn't a refinement of Origins at all, it's something entirely different, and it's also bad. I have no idea why you even did this. Origins was your best selling game ever. Have you learned your lesson? All of those things fit fine in the Mass Effect franchise, but make a **** game when you try to force them into a crpg franchise.

Who am I? Total PC elitist. BG 2 was the pinnacle of RPGs and consoles drag down the quality of all multiplat games simply by existing. That's just how I feel about platforms, to shed a little background on who I am. I don't care that this is an action RPG or that it has a voiced protagonist with a set identity. I don't care that they set companion armor in stone for looks. I don't care that the inventory is dumbed down. I don't care too much that the number of mage spells was cut down massively. I do care that it does all of these things very, very poorly. I preferred Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 1, but Bioware made a really ****ty game with this one by trying to artificially create a new Mass Effect 2. All the systems they ported in from mass Effect are fine in the right game, but they didn't belong here.

Well said, maybe it's time all the PC elitist became even more vocal.

And for the record I think most ppl "trashing" the game are hardcore and long time Bioware fans.
I still think a PC enhanced version some months later would have made them even more $...

Modifié par gpk13, 15 mars 2011 - 01:27 .

[JrayM16]

aftohsix wrote...

I like the thread title Bioware should hire OP. OP sounds like someone who knows the ins and outs of developing a great game.