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[MadCat221]

So... since Justice went all Vengeance when he merged with Anders... what do you think of the Faith spirit bound to Wynne?  Would Wynne be mentally and emotionally centered enough to keep her extra passenger from going over the top like Justice?

What would a Faith spirit become if it went bad anyway?  A Zealotry spirit?

[JayElleBee]

I'm sure Wynne will be fine. Justice and Faith have two very different natures, as do Anders and Wynne. I really can't see anything about Wynne turning Faith into a demon.

[RosaAquafire]

Wynne is strong as iron.

Anders is not. Anders is a weak person and always was. That's what let Justice turn.

[Sarah1281]

I don't think it has to do with strength. Wynne is just a person far more accepting of her life and the lot of mages than Anders is. Wynne supports working WITH the system to change it while Anders constantly ran away and felt that the Circle desperately needed change even back in Awakening though he opposed an outright break back then.

The fact that Anders ran so often means that at the Circle he'll never be given even a small measure of freedom where by all accounts Wynne basically comes and goes as she pleases. She's also near death (post-death, really) so she doesn't have long to be at risk. It's also important to remember that even back in Awakening, Justice's idea of justice was a lot more in the realm of Hammurabi than a lot of us would go for.

Still, this war could push even her over the edge. I don't think she would have really needed to worry otherwise.

[Savvie]

Ander's inability to control his anger tainted Justice. Wynn is calm and collected. All her life experiences probably helped her to be the way she is which in return works well with the spirit she bonded with.

[hawkens982]

I agree with the above poster when they say that there shouldn't be any worry regarding Wynne and her spirit guardian. Wynne is like Athena, full of wisdom and thinks before she acts. Anders on the other hand is like Ares, more hot-blooded and more 'in-the-moment' than Wynne is.

[Sarah1281]

hawkens982 wrote...

I agree with the above poster when they say that there shouldn't be any worry regarding Wynne and her spirit guardian. Wynne is like Athena, full of wisdom and thinks before she acts. Anders on the other hand is like Ares, more hot-blooded and more 'in-the-moment' than Wynne is.

To some extent. Wynne is overall more calm and level but she has her moments. She will rashly attack you if she finds out Morrigan's an apostate in the Circle and *after* you defile the Ashes for whatever reason. Under normal circumstances, she'd be fine but given the war between the Chantry and the Circle that may push her to the edge.

[leggywillow]

If the spirit tried to change Wynne, she'd give it a long, stern lecture until it finally gave up and returned screaming to the Fade. 

[NugWrangler]

Wynne was on the brink of death when the spirit came to her. She says that she's living on borrowed time and using the spirit's power takes a lot out of her. I don't think that she would survive long enough to do much damage if corrupted. Her spirit also seems to be of a much gentler nature than Justice and isn't likely to even try to assume control.

[Kleon]

I wish we could at least have a little appearance or even some corner talk that would say anything as to what is happening with Wynne. There is so much that is untold about her, what demon she encountered to rescue Petra? Is she even alive when DA2 takes place? What about her son?
One of the abilities in spirit healer talent tree says that faith spirits are the most powerfull of all, if that is true it would be logical that Wynne would have years to live.
Acording to Wynne her guardian spirit somewhat watched her since she was very young, thus I think neither spirit nor Wynne would tranformin any way because it seems like they are alike.

[cglasgow]

In addition to the part where Wynne doesn't have a massive amount of buried anger and resentment that will do a Justice-to-Vengeance # on her Faith spirit, there's also that what Wynne has faith in is her religion.

And while there's multiple ways to interpret Chantry dogma, ranging from Knight-Commander Meredith on up through Grand Cleric Elthina and Leliana, Wynne seems much more to the Elthina line ('Peace is good, compassion is good, not murdering each other is awesome') than the hardline extremist.

So, I suppose the worse that could happen with Wynne is that she gets really really preachy... and, how would we tell the difference.

[JamesX]

Wynn by all standard is more stable of a person than Anders. I wouldn't be worried.

[Exile Isan]

leggywillow wrote...

If the spirit tried to change Wynne, she'd give it a long, stern lecture until it finally gave up and returned screaming to the Fade. 

That she would, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised either.

[MasterSamson88]

Well considering Wynne was pretty old in Origins because of her near death and the fact that the spirit couldn't keep her forever... and due to the fact that DA2 takes place over the course of ten years...

Well I just presumed she was dead honestly.

[MasterSamson88]

There's also the idea of faith versus justice.

They're very entirely different attributes. Faith is kind of about believing in what you think is right and going forth with it while Justice is unbending, always vigilant. It's pretty easy then to see how Justice could be manipulated so.

[Dangerfoot]

I wish Wynne would lecture Anders. That guy needs a stern finger wagging.

[Sarah1281]

New theory: Anders was just pretending to disapprove of the mages breaking away when Wynne told him about it to avoid a never-ending lecture.

[RevengeofNewton]

I wouldn't put all the blame on Anders for this. Justice had told him on more than one occasion that more drastic measures needed to be used against the Templars in Awakening.

[Kemmer]

cglasgow wrote...
Wynne seems much more to the Elthina line ('Peace is good, compassion is good, not murdering each other is awesome') than the hardline extremist.

So, I suppose the worse that could happen with Wynne is that she gets really really preachy... and, how would we tell the difference.

The above totally had me chuckling out loud at work.  No difference indeed!

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

I wonder if it would be possible for a good pure-hearted mage to change the nature of a Demon into a benign Spirit?

I wonder what the benevolent counterparts of Pride, Desire, Sloth, Hunger, and Rage are?

Modifié par Blood-Lord Thanatos, 14 mars 2011 - 10:48 .

[errant_knight]

Her spirit isn't interested in actually doing anything, either. It just wants to protect her. It doesn't voice opinions or decide that things need to die like Justice did. Anders really should have known better. The potential for disaster was pretty obvious, even if Anders hadn't turned out to be such a wingnut. Not sure the original Anders can be blamed for much past the time he accepts Justice, though. There's not much of him left in DA2

Modifié par errant_knight, 14 mars 2011 - 11:19 .

[bambooxfox]

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

I wonder if it would be possible for a good pure-hearted mage to change the nature of a Demon into a benign Spirit?

I wonder what the benevolent counterparts of Pride, Desire, Sloth, Hunger, and Rage are?

I like guessing games.

Pride <-> Valor
Desire <-> Love
Sloth <-> Serenity
Hunger <-> Perseverance
Rage <-> ??

[DarkSpider88]

Wynne is 10x the mage Anders is. Besides it looked like in DA:O her spirit and her were getting along fine. Also sorry to be morbid but by the end of DA2 Wynne should realistically be knocking on death's door (although DA and realistic don't belong in the same sentence so I could be wrong).

[solution_nine]

RevengeofNewton wrote...

I wouldn't put all the blame on Anders for this. Justice had told him on more than one occasion that more drastic measures needed to be used against the Templars in Awakening.

It was Justice who goaded him into doing anything but just wandering around and being friendly and selfish. If not for his insistence that Anders take up the cause, I doubt he would've experienced demonic possession. The guy abhors blood magic (Awakening options notwithstanding) and generally tries to keep himself on everyone's good side. It was the fatal combination of Justice's determination and Anders' anger that led to their situation.

As for Wynne, the only way I could see her possibly falling into that would be in a severely weakened, emotional state -- for example, if you decide to side with the Templars in Broken Circle and invoke the Right of Anulment. I could see her possibly resorting to extreme measures if faced with the deaths of innocents. I don't think she'd stoop to that level for her own sake. Aveline and Wynne are sort of kindred spirits, IMO.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

bambooxfox wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

I wonder if it would be possible for a good pure-hearted mage to change the nature of a Demon into a benign Spirit?

I wonder what the benevolent counterparts of Pride, Desire, Sloth, Hunger, and Rage are?

I like guessing games.

Pride <-> Valor
Desire <-> Love
Sloth <-> Serenity
Hunger <-> Perseverance
Rage <-> Compassion?