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[Forsaken_Chivalry]

RosaAquafire wrote...

Wynne is strong as iron.

Anders is not. Anders is a weak person and always was. That's what let Justice turn.

Actually, Anders is a strong person and that was his downfall. Because Justice and his hatreds were so strong, it turned Justice into Vengeance. Hatred can be a strong emotion, and given to the wrong people, it made Anders more powerful than almost anyone else.
The mixed hatreds are what changed Justice. Anders -> Hates blood mages/ templars. Justice -> hates lack of Justice and caring in the world. What does that equal? Vengeance. And yes, even though Anders was the one that let Justice in, neither of them knew what would happen. So really, Anders isn't a weak person. Just naive.
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But like others, in relation to the topic, I don't think that Wynne will have any trouble. Faith is a more... nonviolent emotion compared to Vengeance's corrupted nature.

Modifié par Forsaken_Chivalry, 15 mars 2011 - 01:34 .

[DuskWanderer]

It wasn't a matter of strength of weakness: If Anders had been weak of will, he would have become a ravving madman when Justice turned into Vengeance, but he only loses it in situations of extreme emotions.

Wynne is a person of faith. She's spiritual, but more than that, she believes in things despite nothing to prove whether she is right or wrong. She believes in the Warden, she believes in the goodness of the Maker's world, and that the mages can benefit from outside influences without falling under the corruption of blood magic or other bad things. She's also not been corrupted by her past, and made peace with it due to her age and the wisdom of the revered mother. The Spirit of Faith would be amplified by these, but it wouldn't change anything about Wynne, because Faith is just faith, the ability to leap beyond logic.

By contrast, Justice is about doing what is just, with no room for mercy or compromise. Justice can't accept that to begin with, because that would not be just. Revenge is justice tainted by anger and strong emotion. That's exactly what Anders got.

[Kemmer]

[quote]Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...
Pride <-> Valor
Desire <-> Love
Sloth <-> Serenity
Hunger <-> Perseverance
Rage <-> Passion? [/quote]
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Compassion seems more of an opposite, but Passion can burn just as hot as Rage, but with more benevolence... maybe?

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

[quote]Kemmer wrote...

[quote]Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...
Pride <-> Valor
Desire <-> Love
Sloth <-> Serenity
Hunger <-> Perseverance
Rage <-> Passion? [/quote]
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Compassion seems more of an opposite, but Passion can burn just as hot as Rage, but with more benevolence... maybe?

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maybe Rage <-> Justice?

[Chthonic]

Pride <-> Compassion (I'm better than you -> I'm responsible for you)
Desire <-> Love
Sloth <-> Serenity/Peace
Hunger <-> Perseverance/Joy
Rage <-> Justice

But what type of person would it take to bring about this change. Justice tried to get Anders to feel passion toward an injustice and ended up sparking his anger/rage. So what emotion would a demon have to attach to when their prime failed to spark to create the change?

Pride+love > Compassion
Desire+compassion > love
Sloth+contentment > Serenity/Peace
Hunger+bliss > Perseverance/Joy
Rage+honor > Justice

I think the reason that you don't see this often with demons is they work off base and primal forces that exist in almost everyone. The higher spirits work off ideas rather than pure biological drive and therefore are more subject to... misinterpretation.

Modifié par Chthonic, 15 mars 2011 - 07:51 .

[Chthonic]

double post

Modifié par Chthonic, 15 mars 2011 - 07:47 .

[SarahRhadis]

MadCat221 wrote...

So... since Justice went all Vengeance when he merged with Anders... what do you think of the Faith spirit bound to Wynne?  Would Wynne be mentally and emotionally centered enough to keep her extra passenger from going over the top like Justice?

What would a Faith spirit become if it went bad anyway?  A Zealotry spirit?

I really think there is no chance of this happening.. Wynne is caring and compassionate, unlike anders who is filled with Rage towards the Templars. Plus Wynne said that the spirit had been with her even at a distance all her life, so I imagine there is already a level of compatibility.