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[Shazzie]

Sandal's Prophecy:
One day the magic will come back. All of it.
Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. 
When he rises, everyone will see.

The Nexus Golem:
The gauntlet is passed. Only a Shaperate brings the light... conversion begins...
The great stores are open, Shaperate. Exchange for what is needed. 
(The above two lines possibly only deal with the player defeating everything to 'unlock' the golem's store, but I wanted to put all the golem's text here. Those first two lines are set, the following three are random afterwards:)
The Stone lives beneath Orlais.  Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast.
Amgarrak tapped the blood, spilled within the Stone.
We were once more than we are.

I did not play the Golems of Amgarrak, so perhaps those bottom three would make sense in the context of that DLC, ....but :
Everyone will be just like they were.
and
We were once more than we are.
sound like two sides of the same coin.

Has anyone discovered any other in-game text that might relate to this, or have some ideas to share?

I have nothing more than wild strands of imagination sparking through my mind at the moment. It's looking like Orlais is our next destination. And mage births have been on the rise... magic is coming back, but is something going to happen where everyone suddenly gets magic? What role will Blood Magic play, since it's been woven quite strongly into the world? I don't know ... but I'm sure interested in finding out.

[Edge2177]

I imagine this has to do with the dwarves and their true origins. All golems are dwarves, afterall.

[Zalocx]

"Amgarrak tapped the blood, spilled within the Stone."

This line kind of confused me, the others seem to reference the REALLY old things pertaining to the return of some powerful ancient being and "The Stone", where all Dwarves come from. Yet Amgarrak isn't nearly that old. It was made after Caradin and with the help of a Tivinter mage.

[Doc Faust]

... What is this Nexus Golem, and where do I find it?

Please answer. It is for SCIENCE!

[Nimpe]

Where do you hear the sandal thing?

[KenKenpachi]

Nimpe wrote...

Where do you hear the sandal thing?

lol like three threads up about it actully, but he says it in one of the clossing acts, don't rightly remember which if you click on him a bit. Bothers his "dad" though I still maintane Sandal is some sort of god.

[Vandicus]

Zalocx wrote...

"Amgarrak tapped the blood, spilled within the Stone."

This line kind of confused me, the others seem to reference the REALLY old things pertaining to the return of some powerful ancient being and "The Stone", where all Dwarves come from. Yet Amgarrak isn't nearly that old. It was made after Caradin and with the help of a Tivinter mage.

Because the dwarves don't have mages, there are rarely places in "the Stone" (the deep areas of the earth where dwarves live) where the Fade is thin. Amgarrak is an exception, because of the  there in combination with all the blood spilt there. Blood is obviously spilt there, and lots and lots of Fade spirits were brought through there(remember all the Harvester babies are Fade spirits) so there's something there that they're going to wake up. Then the story probably goes into the Old God/Elven Gods/Maker speculation territory.

[Shazzie]

Doc Faust wrote...
... What is this Nexus Golem, and where do I find it?

The Golem is found in the Abandoned Thaig, which is accessed through ....'recently opened passage' or some such, just outside of the Dalish Camp on Sundermount during Act II.

You have a pretty good fight (the 'gauntlet' spoken of) before you can access its and its store.

[DemonLord4lf]

What does it mean by the stone lives beneath Orlais? Isn't that the location of Kal Sharok(sp?)?

[DemonLord4lf]

sorry double post

Modifié par DemonLord4lf, 22 avril 2011 - 08:31 .

[Chuvvy]

Zalocx wrote...

"Amgarrak tapped the blood, spilled within the Stone."

This line kind of confused me, the others seem to reference the REALLY old things pertaining to the return of some powerful ancient being and "The Stone", where all Dwarves come from. Yet Amgarrak isn't nearly that old. It was made after Caradin and with the help of a Tivinter mage.

OH **** ****IN BALROG! QUICK SOMEONE CALL GANDALF!

[Chuvvy]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Nimpe wrote...

Where do you hear the sandal thing?

lol like three threads up about it actully, but he says it in one of the clossing acts, don't rightly remember which if you click on him a bit. Bothers his "dad" though I still maintane Sandal is some sort of god.

Sandal is the OGB, Flemeth, Dumat, Andraste, The Warden, The Maker, First Dwarven mage, Lyrium infused and the red haired kid from Lothering.

[DemonLord4lf]

he's what? o.O

[Fallstar]

Basically no-one knows. So he's everything mysterious/pointless at the moment.

[Fallstar]

Oh, and the comment "Amgarrak tapped the blood": this makes me think that blood magic was used at Amgarrak to form the Harvester (A flesh golem for those who don't know). Since Orsino uses blood magic to create a Harvester, perhaps the dwarves of Amgarrak were growing frustrated at their inablity to replicate Caridin's work. Somehow, either the Tevinter mage who helped them, used blood magic to form the Harvester. But this doesn't make sense to me. As the text says that the Dwarves "tapped the blood spilled in the stone". Suggesting it was the dwarves, and not a human mage, who did this.

This suggests that the Dwarves of Amgarrak somehow used blood to aid them in some way. The main thing going on in Amgarrak was the production of the Harvester. Given what we know at the moment, it seems reasonable to assume that the Dwarves used blood to aid in re-creating Caridin's research. But without the tools or genius of Caridin, conventional Golems could not be created. Perhaps Dwarven research began exploring other routes. Maybe the idea of binding bodies together and infusing those bodies with a spirit from the fade was raised. It is my belief, that the Dwarves of Amgarrak used dead dwarven bodies, and somehow tapped a form of blood magic - or used a powerful tool - to form the original Harvester.

Also, the phrase "We were once more than we are" suggests that current Dwarves lack some skill that ancient Dwarves posessed. My opinion is although Dwarves are blocked off from the fade, their skill in working lyrium allowed them to create powerful tools which allowed them access to some forms of magic. These tools were very powerful and useful to Dwarven society, so they came to be called idols.

Getting more and more speculative here, so what follows is probably wrong.
The Dwarves that dwelled in the Primeval Thaig were capable of using these idols to use magic. I believe that they were capable of using only blood magic. This is because, in Origins we are told that blood magic was first introduced to Thedas by the Old God Dumat speaking to the first Archon in his dreams. I believe these idols are used to link to the Old Gods in some way, allowing the dwarf wielding the idol to access blood magic. However, when the Old God linked to the idol is corrupted by the darkspawn taint, the corresponding idol is also corrupted. As such, the link becomes distorted, and the dwarf wielding the idol is infected with the madness of the Archdemon, and can no longer channel blood magic effectively. Instead they hear only a distorted version of the song by which the archdemon calls the darkspawn. I think there may be another idol in Amgarrak, which is linked to one of the two uncorrupted old gods, which was used to form the original Harvester. Considering the mastery of lyrium shown in Amgarrak - with the changing dimensions - this seems reasonable.

I like speculating

Modifié par SirLogical, 22 avril 2011 - 06:57 .

[DemonLord4lf]

perhaps, but what does the golem mean by the stone is under Orlais?

[Fallstar]

Can you tell me what the Dwarven phrase after "The stone lives beneath Orlais" means?

[DemonLord4lf]

it means i just laid a really nasty fart. How am i suppose to know :-/

[Fallstar]

After a quick google, it appears that atrast is some form of Dwarven farewell/greeting and Salroka means friend. Since atrast is at the end of the sentence, I'm assuming it is a farewell. The sentence then means "something farewell friend"? Could do with some help translating here.

[DemonLord4lf]

how the hell did google translator translate that? What language did it translate from?

[Fallstar]

DemonLord4lf wrote...

how the hell did google translator translate that? What language did it translate from?

Wasn't google translate lol. Was a google search, someone over at the gamespot forums asked the same thing.

[ACdeakial]

i wonder if sandal's prophecy is linked to the statue's warning in WH, was it 'the prison is breached' and 'the shadow is coming'. Almost as though that warning is a sign of the coming storm, and sandal's prophecy describes the aftermath.

[DemonLord4lf]

here's the translation i got.

Spirit of Math by salrok na fornen find

[Fallstar]

ACdeadpool731 wrote...

i wonder if sandal's prophecy is linked to the statue's warning in WH, was it 'the prison is breached' and 'the shadow is coming'. Almost as though that warning is a sign of the coming storm, and sandal's prophecy describes the aftermath.

I thought that might refer to the Harvesters being released from their prison in Amgarrak. Since Witch Hunt came chronologically after Golems of Amgarrak. However, this is unlikely as it is just a rip-off of Mass Effect's reapers. 

Alternatively, it could refer to Urthemiel walking the world again, since this will be the first time an uncorrupted old god will be walking on Thedas. As such, the Maker's prison is 'breached' and Urthemiel, desiring revenge against the Maker, is the shadow which is coming.

This fits in with Sandal's prophecy; "he will rise" meaning Urthemiel, and "bring the magic back"; the prescence of an Old God allows everyone to use magic, though perhaps only blood magic, which the Old Gods taught to the Imperium. The part where the "skys will open wide" could refer to the huge light display you get when you slay the Archdemon.

[DarthSliver]

But you miss one detail, Morrigans Old God Child isnt canon for some reason. Even through it working out that way mostly seems to be the only way i think they could make another interesting story.

But i believe Witch Hunt takes place Timeline wise after Hawke has gone through the Primival Thaig.