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[Tamyn]

foam wrote...

Maelora wrote...


And worst of all, the 'phasing lyrium tattoos' thing. There's NOTHING like that in DA otherwise, it comes right out of some stupid manga story and makes him a total Mary Sue. 

Yeah, because this use of magic and lyrium is completely unthinkable in the fantasy universe that is DA. They should stop introducing new things altogether, don't you think?

 In DA:O an Arcane Warrior could do that "phasing partway into the Fade" thing. It's not new.

Modifié par Tamyn, 16 mars 2011 - 12:14 .

[ryan 1911]

I think Fenris is pretty cool. And on the point about mages I play a warrior A LOT! And I always go Templar... Idk why but mages bug me a lot... Templars are just plain cool and Fenris is the coolest non templar in the game... just my opinion of course

[Emperor Iaius I]

He's a traitor to the Imperium and should be sent to the Deep Roads to be eaten by darkspawn, and then mined by the dwarves for the lyrium in his veins.

[AnathamaDye]

I agree...I can't stand his personality/character.

[DoNotIngest]

Despised him, being a **** to Merrill constantly, and pushing on issues. Then it turns out he's a greedy bastard who fought for the lyrium to get higher standing and cash. Then he turns on the guy who fecilitated this, and wants to kill him. And he wants to kill the sister who wanted to bring him home. Next time, instead of waiting to kill him at the end, he goes to his master.

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

He's a traitor to the Imperium and should be sent to the Deep Roads to be eaten by darkspawn, and then mined by the dwarves for the lyrium in his veins.

How poetic!  His head does seem to be the same consistency as stone.

[dewayne31]

fenris doesn't like my hawke i sent him back lol. have no regrets. he's a good for nothing elf. in my other two playthru that i kept hes probably buried in a mass grave with all the templars...

Modifié par dewayne31, 02 avril 2011 - 03:02 .

[Apirka]

Parrk wrote...

Were he less of a whiney child, then he could perhaps reason through the situations facing him and come to the realization that magic doesn't kill and enslave people, people do. His inability to get past his own self pity leads him to oppose the freedom of others held against their will.

Beyond these meta-issues of his personality lies the simple fact that it was no he who freed himself, but rather he owes his continuing freedom to Hawke, yet he jumps so quickly to to side against his benefactor.

I like Fenris (he's not my favourite companion though), but what you say is true.

[Gamer Ftw]

I am pro mage but I love Fenris I can kind of understand how he feels about mages considering what happened to him and he does work with you despite his feelings.
I never had him turn on me either.
so not wanting to be a slave makes him a traitor?

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 02 avril 2011 - 11:40 .

[Annie_Dear]

You're free to think so.
All I'm going to say is:

[DoNotIngest]

Annie_Dear wrote...

You're free to think so.
All I'm going to say is:

Snip

Wait, his limbs seem a lot thicker in that pic...

[Heidenreich]

PurebredCorn wrote...

Kitaen wrote...

I can understand your hatred for him.
Look past the physical appeal and there is a very damaged personality there.
I do like his voice and his persona was scripted well. Good job.

Actually it is his personality that I think is the most attractive thing about him.

His looks have nothing to do with why he's so sexy

[Rhostadt]

I like his voice acting and passion, but I think Fenris is a complete hypocrite. He hates all of magekind because one mage of one country enslaved him. It'd be OK if he just hated Danarius, or hated the country that permitted the slavery, or hated those that dealt in slavery. But, no, he hates people that had nothing to do with his enslavement, and thinks it's also okay to subject those people to that which he hates the most. Disgusting.

I will give him one thing though. I just finished a full Rivalry on him, and in the end he acknowledged he had no reason to subject (mage)Hawke to his anger, and that it was his hatred that was truly hindering his freedom.

[The Baconer]

I understand his complaints, but like Carver he can come across as a broken record sometimes. I think there should have been a peak of sorts between a Rival Fenris and a Mage Hawke, like fisticuffs or something. I like the guy, but I love the idea of Hawke punching him in the jaw a lot more.

[FaeQueenCory]

I hate him because he never changes.... Everyone else has character growth (or at least the POTENTIAL for growth depending on your actions... Or plot-line growth as in the case of Anders...)
But he starts off an emo bigot, and ends the same emo bigot.

I actually liked Meredith's insane zealotry over Fenris' bigotry. She at least has an excuse! (And I'm talking about that raw fade rock that is poisoning her and warping her brain.)

But as to others' character growth: (cause I know someone would call me out on it...)
Aveline: She can learn to let go and live for the present... and to be a little less uptight.
Varric: He can learn that, for all his complaining, he loves his family... Even foolishly refusing to kill his insane brother!
Isabella: She can go from **** to **** with good moral judgment. She even jokes about this!
Sebastian: Ok... His is more of a binary thing at the end that destroys any sort of characterization that you helped him with if you do a certain thing.... But before that you can convince him to remain a brother or go and get his throne back.
Anders: He falls apart. It's very evident from party banter and aside dialogue. He starts out as recognizable Awakenings Anders with some MPS moments of Justice... but by act2 he becomes increasingly more zealous about getting vengeance/justice... until by act3 he has completely succumbed to his merger and does that wonderful little action that screws the whole world... all in the name of justice and freedom. Having known him before, he's rather tragically pathetic by the end of DA2...
Merrill: She'll always be stupid. (and I mean that with love... I have a friend who is JUST like her...) But at least she comes to realize that her actions will affect more people than just her. Had the game lasted another act, she probably could have become bitter over the whole thing.

But Fenris was always the same "all mages should die" bigot that he starts out as.

And I, like Anders, can appreciate the schadenfreude inducing irony of him having his memory wiped and becoming... Tranquil... After that horribly hypocritical banter he had with Anders about Tranquility and slavery... should you sell him back to Denarius.
Though I enjoy killing him too much to ever do that.

EDIT:

Rhostadt wrote...

I will give him one thing though. I just finished a full Rivalry on him,
and in the end he acknowledged he had no reason to subject (mage)Hawke
to his anger, and that it was his hatred that was truly hindering his
freedom.

It would appear that I was wrong... perhaps. I am curious if he excused MageHawke or appologized for all the other nonblood, nontevinter mages... Because saying "All them [insert minority group] should all be killed... except for you, Bob, you're alright." is still a bigoted statement... It's the same as how "I'm not racist, I have a black friend" is still racist and even proves that you ARE racist.

Modifié par FaeQueenCory, 02 avril 2011 - 09:02 .

[UltiPup]

Fenris has never once stated that all mages should die. He thinks they should all go the the Circle. The only ones he doesn't mind killing are blood mages and magisters. If you are going to hate on him, at least get his beliefs right.

[tddobbs]

Put me in with the "haters" group...although hate may be too strong a word. I just don't care for him at all. I put up with his **** in places where I can use his two-handed skills, that"s about it.

I think it all comes down to the fact that I have always felt sorry for the DA mages...not one playthrough of DAO did I side with the Templars at the Circle. I always think "maybe this time", then I get there and the Templars get their "kill them all" thing going and it pisses me off...again. Then, here I am in DA2, my dad and sis are mages, always on the run from more freakin Templars, and emo boy is all "all mages are evil and will turn to blood magic in a heartbeat".

I never gave him back...I didn't realize I could...I might have to try it on a playthrough where I am my more "angry" persona, usually I go with the joking/snarky persona.

(OH, and does anyone else find that his "character abilities" screen facial profile remind them of the guy who plays Draco Malfoy in Harry Potter?  I don't see the resemblance all the time, but when I go to level him up, that sneering profile shot...every time I'm thinking "Draco, you jerk")

Modifié par tddobbs, 02 avril 2011 - 09:58 .

[Rhostadt]

UltiPup wrote...

Fenris has never once stated that all mages should die. He thinks they should all go the the Circle. The only ones he doesn't mind killing are blood mages and magisters. If you are going to hate on him, at least get his beliefs right.

And if you're going to support him, you should at least get his beliefs right.

Barring sufficient friend/rival, Fenris supports the Right of Annulment against a group of mages that had nothing to do with the crime that triggered said Right.  You don't get any more "all mages should die" than that.

[Taura-Tierno]

Rhostadt wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Fenris has never once stated that all mages should die. He thinks they should all go the the Circle. The only ones he doesn't mind killing are blood mages and magisters. If you are going to hate on him, at least get his beliefs right.

And if you're going to support him, you should at least get his beliefs right.

Barring sufficient friend/rival, Fenris supports the Right of Annulment against a group of mages that had nothing to do with the crime that triggered said Right.  You don't get any more "all mages should die" than that.

As does Aveline, but nobody's calling her a mage hater. Some of the good templars support it too, like Cullen, for that matter. They just don't share Meredith's extreme views on it. 

[ThatDancingTurian]

Rhostadt wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Fenris has never once stated that all mages should die. He thinks they should all go the the Circle. The only ones he doesn't mind killing are blood mages and magisters. If you are going to hate on him, at least get his beliefs right.

And if you're going to support him, you should at least get his beliefs right.

Barring sufficient friend/rival, Fenris supports the Right of Annulment against a group of mages that had nothing to do with the crime that triggered said Right.  You don't get any more "all mages should die" than that.

Yeah, it's not like every single mage in Kirkwall aside from Alain has proven themselves as a blood mage to give him sufficient reason to believe the Circle may be corrupted and needs to be cleansed. And it's not like Orsino only proves him to be right about that by turning himself and the others into monsters.

He didn't want to annul the Circle because they're all mages and he thinks all mages should die, he simply did not think Hawke should fight against near impossible odds for their sake. There's a difference between actively wanting to kill someone and not wanting to fight for them. He fought with the Templars because the other option was fighting alongside dangerous mages and abominations or leaving them to it and risking said abominations running amok and killing more innocent people.

One thing I dislike is the implication that Fenris is unloyal. He only 'turns' on Hawke as so many have said if you do absolutely nothing with him, no talking, no gifts, no taking him anywhere. You do nothing to inspire his loyalty and of course he's not going to feel like sticking with you. I had a friend who didn't take him anywhere or do his Act 2 & 3 quests but still managed to talk to him enough to talk him out of leaving. You've got to seriously fail to get him to betray you. And Aveline, Merrill and Isabela are capable of the same betrayal, there's nothing special about his case.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 03 avril 2011 - 12:54 .

[Grumnm]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Rhostadt wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Fenris has never once stated that all mages should die. He thinks they should all go the the Circle. The only ones he doesn't mind killing are blood mages and magisters. If you are going to hate on him, at least get his beliefs right.

And if you're going to support him, you should at least get his beliefs right.

Barring sufficient friend/rival, Fenris supports the Right of Annulment against a group of mages that had nothing to do with the crime that triggered said Right.  You don't get any more "all mages should die" than that.

Yeah, it's not like every single mage in Kirkwall aside from Alain has proven themselves as a blood mage to give him sufficient reason to believe the Circle may be corrupted and needs to be cleansed. And it's not like Orsino only proves him to be right about that by turning himself and the others into monsters.

He didn't want to annul the Circle because they're all mages and he thinks all mages should die, he simply did not think Hawke should fight against near impossible odds for their sake. There's a difference between actively wanting to kill someone and not wanting to fight for them. He fought with the Templars because the other option was fighting alongside dangerous mages and abominations or leaving them to it and risking said abominations running amok and killing more innocent people.

One thing I dislike is the implication that Fenris is unloyal. He only 'turns' on Hawke as so many have said if you do absolutely nothing with him, no talking, no gifts, no taking him anywhere. You do nothing to inspire his loyalty and of course he's not going to feel like sticking with you. I had a friend who didn't take him anywhere or do his Act 2 & 3 quests but still managed to talk to him enough to talk him out of leaving. You've got to seriously fail to get him to betray you. And Aveline, Merrill and Isabela are capable of the same betrayal, there's nothing special about his case.

word....that is all


i must say fenris was the most interesting and rewarding quests-o-friendship. very well written character
also i forget where someone said it but the world ruled by evil slavers cats made me laugh....and might explain the way my cat has been looking at me recently....

[theauthority]

My biggest gripe with Fenris is his lack of originality. He's an angst-ridden Wolverine wannabe, I mean, lyrium marks/adamantium skeleton, and both have troubles remembering what came before the "painful experience". Funny that I've seen only one other user commenting this similarity on a different thread. And I'm sure Martian Manhunter [JLA], and Vision [Avengers] pulled the "phasing punch" stunt at least once - even Kitty Pryde from the X-Men if I recall.

I've tried using him but can't get past Act1. I know he softens up and all, I just can't be bothered to see how it happens. I run his personal quests because of the XP points and items, then I usually hand him out to Danarius or, if I know I'll side with mages, allow him to fight against me. I don't hate the character, I'm simply unable to find a reason to explore it - same applies to Anders, but out of different issues.

First, you trick me into helping you. Then you go mad on my friends (and sister ) because they're mages. No, first impression ruined it all for me, I was willing to look past his unappealing design. At least I'm free to decide his fate.

[ThatDancingTurian]

theauthority wrote...

My biggest gripe with Fenris is his lack of originality. He's an angst-ridden Wolverine wannabe, I mean, lyrium marks/adamantium skeleton, and both have troubles remembering what came before the "painful experience". Funny that I've seen only one other user commenting this similarity on a different thread. And I'm sure Martian Manhunter [JLA], and Vision [Avengers] pulled the "phasing punch" stunt at least once - even Kitty Pryde from the X-Men if I recall.

I've tried using him but can't get past Act1. I know he softens up and all, I just can't be bothered to see how it happens. I run his personal quests because of the XP points and items, then I usually hand him out to Danarius or, if I know I'll side with mages, allow him to fight against me. I don't hate the character, I'm simply unable to find a reason to explore it - same applies to Anders, but out of different issues.

First, you trick me into helping you. Then you go mad on my friends (and sister ) because they're mages. No, first impression ruined it all for me, I was willing to look past his unappealing design. At least I'm free to decide his fate.

I thought he'd be a Wolverine rip-off too, honestly, but there's really no connection in personality.

Gaider did a good job of making him his own character. I admit I did think his back story was a huge cliche, but I think he was executed so well it made it easy for me to look past it. When I actually played the game I forgot about all of these preconcieved notions I'd built up to dislike him. He went from one of the two characters I was least interested in to one of my two favorites.

But if you dislike him so much you can just tell him to leave after you clear out Danarius' mansion, don't need to bring him with you all the way to the end.

[theauthority]

@Aris:
It's not like I had prejudices against the character because of his Wolverine resemblance. Maybe partially biased, I admit, but I tried to find a redeeming feature or nuance. I failed to find it and that's how he always ends up being the one I recruit out of completeness (like many others from different Bioware titles, namely ME2 - in Origins, only Wynne I never recruit for I can't stomach her).
As I said on another thread, if Fenris was indeed closer to Wolverine's comic version, he would end up being in my top 3 characters from DA2 (design notwithstanding) . Though it's also true that his remarks would be too close to Varric's comments, maybe only more cynical, eventually turning into the dwarf's "taller", elven version.

For me, he was just the "amnesiac guy with a big sword and a bleak approach to life who eventually becomes warm again", sorta weak, I've seen it hundred times already. Sten from Origins managed to play the "cool, silent warrior" part better and his evolving comradeship with the Warden felt natural and, at least for me, far from the "Ok, I feel your pain" kind of compromise you have to put up with Fenris, 'else you get yelled at. Sure, Sten and Fenris are different archetypes but Sten was a little more original in his "not-so-Softie-giant" role (thanks to him being that way because of the Qun, not because of personal issues like Fenris).

Well, after all there are many more characters to fill up your team, good thing we can all adjust to our personal tastes

[edit: some spelling and repetitions]

Modifié par theauthority, 03 avril 2011 - 03:43 .

[Dark-sider77]

I think Fenris is a pretty cool guy, he kills magisters and doesnt afraid of anything.