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[Aeducan Himself]

Anyone able to reconcile the timeline between DA:O, Awakening, and II should win an award.

[ejoslin]

Aeducan Himself wrote...

Anyone able to reconcile the timeline between DA:O, Awakening, and II should win an award.

Oooh, ok, I'll try!

Ostegar happens, it's bad.
3 months later, Lothering falls
6 months later, the blight is ended.
6 months later, Awakening happens. It takes, oooh, a month!  Anders leaves immediately after amaranthine.


Hmmmmm, this almost works, or it actually does work if you figure it's a little more than a year (your servitude is over when you meet Varric) when you meet Anders.

Of course, this means that Origins, at least from Ostegar to the slaying of the archdemon only takes 9 months.  This actually works timeline wise, even for those babies that were born as traveling from Orzammar would take some time as well so you can add in whatever time you think works for between your Origin and Ostegar.  Mage circle too -- you still travelled some I suppose so you can add in a couple of months.

The big problem I see is the 6 months after the archdemon is slain for the events of awakening.  For King/Queen CousCouses this directly contradicts their epilogues (6 months lavish wedding blah blah blah).  But for non-royals, 6 months may be a bit long -- you'd think that it would be 2-3 months of rest and relaxation before the GW were after their warden commander to get back to work.

Ok, I tried.  Didn't work too well.

[RedSonia]

Aeducan Himself wrote...

Anyone able to reconcile the timeline between DA:O, Awakening, and II should win an award.

I did!!! fav.me/d3bmjrc Where's my award??? XD

Now seriously, the timeline makes no sense. It's too rushed for a friendly Anders (which happens most of the cases since he's a friendly character in Awakening) to leave the Vigil. I always thought he'd likely to appear in 2nd act, better.

EDIT: Ejoslin, you forget that in those 6 months, Oghren also has time to have a baby with Felsi and to leave her behind because it was too much responsibility... how long does Dwarf pregnancy last? 2 months??? Even 6 months seems too soon for me...

Modifié par RedSonia, 25 mars 2011 - 12:30 .

[ejoslin]

RedSonia wrote...

Aeducan Himself wrote...

Anyone able to reconcile the timeline between DA:O, Awakening, and II should win an award.

I did!!! fav.me/d3bmjrc Where's my award??? XD

Now seriously, the timeline makes no sense. It's too rushed for a friendly Anders (which happens most of the cases since he's a friendly character in Awakening) to leave the Vigil. I always thought he'd likely to appear in 2nd act, better.

EDIT: Ejoslin, you forget that in those 6 months, Oghren also has time to have a baby with Felsi and to leave her behind because it was too much responsibility... how long does Dwarf pregnancy last? 2 months??? Even 6 months seems too soon for me...

They met at a tavern!  Nug wrangling COULD have happened.  So say Dwarven gestation is 6 months (why not) and she was 2 months pregnant at the end of Origins.  It could work...  Kind of...

[erilben]

RedSonia wrote...

Now seriously, the timeline makes no sense. It's too rushed for a friendly Anders (which happens most of the cases since he's a friendly character in Awakening) to leave the Vigil. I always thought he'd likely to appear in 2nd act, better.

Anders makes no sense. If he dies at the Keep, both Stroud and Nate are like "aren't you suppose to be dead!?" Anders says when the Keep fell he just got up and left the Wardens. Then somehow the Wardens made him get rid of the cat? Where does Anders know the Warden Stroud from?

[ejoslin]

erilben wrote...

RedSonia wrote...

Now seriously, the timeline makes no sense. It's too rushed for a friendly Anders (which happens most of the cases since he's a friendly character in Awakening) to leave the Vigil. I always thought he'd likely to appear in 2nd act, better.

Anders makes no sense. If he dies at the Keep, both Stroud and Nate are like "aren't you suppose to be dead!?" Anders says when the Keep fell he just got up and left the Wardens. Then somehow the Wardens made him get rid of the cat? Where does Anders know the Warden Stroud from?

Face it, the Hero of Ferelden is a real ass.  First you give him a cat, then you take it from him, telling him it makes him too soft.  Because, well, it's not like the warden left his/her post immediately after Awakening, so presumably they're still Anders' commander.  If Anders is alive that is...

Edit: Hey, that could even be the reason for all the LIs denying that the warden and they are more than friends!  Unless you married Alistair, but he IS all scared of her so...

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 mars 2011 - 01:17 .

[RedSonia]

And we're not taking any of the Justice epilogues into account, I guess.... Since most of them say that, if he didn't "die" (or wathever) during the Vigil's siege, he'd spend many YEARS using Kristoff's body and serving the Order: http://dragonage.wik...kening)#Justice Unless, of course Anders befriended a different Justice spirit in less than a month.... Hey, I already said Anders at Awakening was a friendly character, didn't I?.

Modifié par RedSonia, 25 mars 2011 - 01:34 .

[ejoslin]

Obviously Wynne died and her spirit of faith inhabited Kristoff (it's not like anyone could tell the difference between spirits) while Kristoff body hopped to Anders.

[LobselVith8]

feyii wrote...

that's right, he never mentions this directly. as I said, this is just as I understood his sayings, because he implies the difficulty lies in them being wardens. and the only thing they have in common is the taint. so noone ever said wardens can't have children, only that it's difficult. the rest is my interpretation of his meaning but thanks for clarifying

It's difficult, but not impossible, for a Grey Warden to have a child. The Hero of Ferelden can have a child with Morrigan without the ritual. Alistair could be the son of the elven Warden Fiona and King Maric. Grey Warden mages can have children (who are exempt from being taken away by the Chantry because they are outside of the restrictions of the Circles and the Chantry, per David Gaider).

Grey Wardens can have children, simply not with each other (by natural means). David Gaider addressed this and said:

David Gaider wrote...

A Grey Warden can have a child... just not with another Grey Warden. So in the case of Alistair being married to a female PC the only possible result is no heir (unless Alistair has a child with someone other than his wife, I suppose). Grey Wardens have a limited chance of conception with a non-Grey Warden, but it does happen... and the child is not tainted in any fashion.<br />
<br />
Insofar as how long a Grey Warden could remain on the throne, it depends. The taint will make a Grey Warden age faster, so someone like Loghain isn't going to be able to stay a Grey Warden for very long as he's no young man. The "thirty years" quote is about the maximum, but the reality is that it depends on how often one is exposed to the corruption and sometimes just personal variance-- even so, for a monarch to stay on the throne upwards of thirty years is no mean feat. I don't really think that's the limiting factor when it comes to this sort of thing.

[LobselVith8]

ejoslin wrote...

Face it, the Hero of Ferelden is a real ass.  First you give him a cat, then you take it from him, telling him it makes him too soft.  Because, well, it's not like the warden left his/her post immediately after Awakening, so presumably they're still Anders' commander.  If Anders is alive that is...

Edit: Hey, that could even be the reason for all the LIs denying that the warden and they are more than friends!  Unless you married Alistair, but he IS all scared of her so...

Technically, the Warden never came back to Vigil's Keep, which is odd since it's the hub of Warden activity in Ferelden as the arling under his direct command. You'd imagine that the Hero of Ferelden, aka the Warden-Commander of Amaranthine, aka the Arl of Amaranthine, would actually have some say over the order he presides over, but for some reason he's contractually obligated to disappear.

Also, I doubt the pro-Magi boon Grey Warden from the Circle of Ferelden (or even a Warden from the Dalish) is going to be hiring Rolan from the Order of Templars into the Amaranthine Wardens. Does anybody know who thought it was a good idea to hire a member of the templars into an order run by a former member of the Circle of Magi?

I blame Seneschal Garevel.

Who else would have hired a member of the Order of Templars - Rolan - into the Wardens? Who else would have gotten rid of Sir Pounce-a-Lot?

[v.lokai]

Posted a correction but I was mistaken edited out. Nothing to see here lol.

Modifié par v.lokai, 25 mars 2011 - 05:51 .

[Lady Jess]

ejoslin wrote...

The big problem I see is the 6 months after the archdemon is slain for the events of awakening.  For King/Queen CousCouses this directly contradicts their epilogues (6 months lavish wedding blah blah blah).  But for non-royals, 6 months may be a bit long -- you'd think that it would be 2-3 months of rest and relaxation before the GW were after their warden commander to get back to work.

Ok, I tried.  Didn't work too well.

6 months worked for Cousland, you return from you 6 months and orders await. Hell that crap happens to me all the fracking time. "Congratulations your husband is home from a year deployment/a month in the field/whatever!...oh and has orders to go to school for a couple months"  <_<

[Lady Jess]

v.lokai wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Alistair could be the son of the elven Warden Fiona Katriel and King Maric. Grey Warden mages can have children (who are exempt from being taken away by the Chantry because they are outside of the restrictions of the Circles and the Chantry, per David Gaider).

Small correction.

Errr Katriel was kinda....dead before the rebellion ever ended,  and not a mage. She also never presented Maric with a child at the end of The Calling.  Bad correction there:P

[v.lokai]

Lady Jess wrote...

v.lokai wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Alistair could be the son of the elven Warden Fiona Katriel and King Maric. Grey Warden mages can have children (who are exempt from being taken away by the Chantry because they are outside of the restrictions of the Circles and the Chantry, per David Gaider).

Small correction.

Errr Katriel was kinda....dead before the rebellion ever ended,  and not a mage. She also never presented Maric with a child at the end of The Calling.  Bad correction there:P

yeah I edited it out got my elven maidens confused

[ejoslin]

Lady Jess wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

The big problem I see is the 6 months after the archdemon is slain for the events of awakening.  For King/Queen CousCouses this directly contradicts their epilogues (6 months lavish wedding blah blah blah).  But for non-royals, 6 months may be a bit long -- you'd think that it would be 2-3 months of rest and relaxation before the GW were after their warden commander to get back to work.

Ok, I tried.  Didn't work too well.

6 months worked for Cousland, you return from you 6 months and orders await. Hell that crap happens to me all the fracking time. "Congratulations your husband is home from a year deployment/a month in the field/whatever!...oh and has orders to go to school for a couple months"  <_<

But they go on a tour.  Everyone loves the warden as their new queen, ruler, and Alistair just already is allowing her to do whatever she wants!  Oh well.  I guess we can forget the tour.  Everyone loves my Queen CousCous, except Alistair who is apparently terrified of her, anyway.

[Ashaman X]

The timeline is getting complex, especially in regards to Anders and Hawke I think. Let's look at it this way. Ostagar happens, you end up with Morrigan in the hut. Let's assume you healed for a week or so. Then you spend 3 days getting out of the Wilds and hit Lothering. Once you leave there, it falls and you can't go back. Total time could be up to 2 weeks. The rest of the game takes place over a year roughly. 6 months after that, Awakening happens, not too sure of the full time frame of that game, but I imagine it's about 6 months.

Hawke gets back to Lothering as it is destroyed, then makes their way to Gwaren before sailing to Kirkwall. It's not stated how long they take to get to Gwaren, it is quite far away from Lothering after all. Varric says that it took about 2 weeks or so for them to get to Kirkwall. 3 days waiting, then a year in servitude. After that you get the chance to meet Anders. Timeline clash!

I wonder if it will ever be resolved...

[Lady Jess]

ejoslin wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

The big problem I see is the 6 months after the archdemon is slain for the events of awakening.  For King/Queen CousCouses this directly contradicts their epilogues (6 months lavish wedding blah blah blah).  But for non-royals, 6 months may be a bit long -- you'd think that it would be 2-3 months of rest and relaxation before the GW were after their warden commander to get back to work.

Ok, I tried.  Didn't work too well.

6 months worked for Cousland, you return from you 6 months and orders await. Hell that crap happens to me all the fracking time. "Congratulations your husband is home from a year deployment/a month in the field/whatever!...oh and has orders to go to school for a couple months"  <_<

But they go on a tour.  Everyone loves the warden as their new queen, ruler, and Alistair just already is allowing her to do whatever she wants!  Oh well.  I guess we can forget the tour.  Everyone loves my Queen CousCous, except Alistair who is apparently terrified of her, anyway.

They can tour in 6 months, I could swear the ending even said they spent six months touring Ferelden?

OhKay they got married 6 months later. Yeah well it doesn't matter I guess because King Alistair should be in Weisshaupt so pshh timeline? what timeline. I give up trying to make sense of it.

Modifié par Lady Jess, 25 mars 2011 - 06:18 .

[StarFireLiz]

What if the dragon age time line wasn't based on our year? I could see it working...

I mean they never say in game that their year is 365 days. What if its longer? And a lot of these are going off the assumption that when they said hawke worked for a year it was exactly a year. What if it was a year and four months? If they have a longer year and it wasn't a year on the dot I can kind of see where anders would have time to get there. And if you don't get anders right off the bat and get him right before the deep roads part that gives him even more time to get there.

I'm not trying to be difficult or 'smart' our shoot down any ones attempt to prove or disprove a legit time line. I'm just wondering if da has ever stated how long a year is for them?

[Dark-sider77]

Ok, here's my shot at making a timeline. Most of the trouble is with the begining of the blight, and when awakening takes place relative to Act 1 of DA2 so ill focus on that

1.) Blight Begins: Wardens sense that an Archdemon has awoken, darkspawn begin to appear in southern Fereldan. A Blight is declared, Calin calls for Fereldan's armies to assemble at Ostagar

2.) 2 months after blight starts: Warden arrives at Ostagar as most of the armies have been assembled, battle of ostagar occurs and the armies are routed. (I had this take a couple months because the armies take time to gather and because Ducan visits each orgin story area, even though he will only find one recruit out of all of those places)

3.) 2 weeks after ostagar: Warden goes through lothering, Loghain has already made it back to Denerim.

4.) Almost a month after ostagar: The hawkes flee lothering just as it is destroyed, and the Warden finishes his first main quest zone. (the Hawkes who were at Ostagar took so long to get back because they were always on the edge of the horde which impeded their movment)

5.) 2 months after Ostagar: The hawkes arrive in Kirkwall and begin their year of indentured servatude (Their trip to kirkwall was three weeks at sea, it may have taken about a week to get to Gwaren, for a total of 1 month travel.)

* According to my time line by the time you arrive in Kirkwall the Blight has been going on for about 4 months. If act 1 starts immediatly after you finish your servitude then it takes place 2 months before awakening starts which cant be true.

The only thing i can think of is that Hawke has been free and searching for work for about three months when Act 1 starts. Then it would have been 7, possibly 8 months since the blight ended, which sort of fit with awakening, but only if awakening takes place over a single month and Anders leaves almost immedeatly after.

Honestly the whole timeline would have fit perfectly if Hawke was an indentured servant for two years, or even a year and 6 months. It would have made sense, a year of servitude would get exactly one person into Kirkwall. Aveline only has to do one year and then goes off to become a guard, but  both Hawke and his/her sibling must do an extra six months so their mother can get into the city as well.