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[bookwurmneo]

I kind of felt that the seekers and by extension the chantry feels that their is something bigger than the war between the templars and the mages going on. Also, from the several appearances of the grey wardens it does seem that something blight/darkspawn related has come up. Finally I felt even though they might be worried that two of more influential people of their age have disappeared at the same time.

[AlexXIV]

Well my Warden is a dalish elf though. Not sure how popular this makes her in the Chantry. On the other hand my Hawke is into dalish elves, so maybe they can have a threesome. Oh ... did I get off-topic?

[Augustei]

Aurawolf wrote...

By the same logic used what influence would the Champion of Kirkwall? The only ones it might hold some weight is the Qunari. Also don't forget who seems to have some sort of influence in the Chantry now, and she knows the Warden.

The Champion of Kirkwall? He holds weight with either the Templars or the circles.. both of which are the main bodies in the war right now. Whereas the influence the warden holds is really unrelated to the war.

[Vandicus]

I think they are named the Seekers for a reason. The sum it up, the Warden is famous because he stopped the Blight, which is pretty much acknowledged everywhere there are Wardens(at least by Orlais, Fereldan, all those Seekers, and the Free Marches), he's a famous hero who has a lot of pull. If anyone remembers the end of the game, Hawke is the one all the mages use as a rallying symbol. If anyone can convince them to stand down, its Hawke. If anyone can convince all the normal people who probably now hate/fear mages to stand down, its the Warden.

[Oneiropolos]

The Warden is powerful through CONNECTIONS. It's not only about allying Fereldan, though that was pretty impressive. The Warden through their adventures have come to know the Darkspawn probably better than anyone else now. If you didn't kill Zev, you're also allied with someone who managed to kill off the guild master of the crows in Antiva, and is who Lelaina still thinks of fondly in her new position of power. That's two pretty powerful footholds in two separate nations. If you went through the circle, you saved Cullen's life and he still does admire the Warden. That's a foothold in Kirkwall. And if the problem has something to eventually do with Flemmeth... well, we know the Warden is involved in that too. The Warden has shown a knack for getting people together and taking charge. There's plenty of reasons to care that they're missing and want their aid.

[Jaredor]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Jaredor wrote...

Even if people doubted it was a blight you are talking about someone who has experience in raising armies and leading them to victory despite the odds, now in a world on the brink of war that is definately the kind of person I would want on my side. Plus the warden would be a legend among the Grey Wardens after what happened in both DAO and DAA so you would also potentially have the Grey Wardens, an elite military force, on whoevers side the Warden is on.

He can obtain aid for blights, he cant raise armies for another purpose.. The Dalish and Dwarves will not give him aid in some Foreign war. They would be idiots to do that. Why would they get involved in someone elses war? When you make Allies.. You Make Enemies.
And he certainly couldn't demand aid from the circles since they will be to busy fighting templars

Who says he can't raise armies for another purpose? Just because he doesn't have treaties to demand aid doesn't mean he would not be allowed to try. Even when he did have treaties did any of the groups look at the treaty and just say "ok sure" no they didn't.  My point was that he has experience in building armies from almost nothing which is something few people have done.  Whether or not the Dwarves or Dalish would get involved you are probably right they wouldn't really have any reason to, but the Warden would still have good relations with both sides (depending on what you did in DAO).  Basically the Warden can use his experience in uniting diverse factions under one banner to help unite the chantry or whatever it is the seekers are trying to do.

[VettoRyouzou]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Aurawolf wrote...

By the same logic used what influence would the Champion of Kirkwall? The only ones it might hold some weight is the Qunari. Also don't forget who seems to have some sort of influence in the Chantry now, and she knows the Warden.

The Champion of Kirkwall? He holds weight with either the Templars or the circles.. both of which are the main bodies in the war right now. Whereas the influence the warden holds is really unrelated to the war.

How is it unrelated? The war is between Mage and Templar as a whole Not just Kirkwall and Fereldain and both the Warden and Champion had deep work with Both sides so again it seem your just wanting to be right and pulling half facts as back up.

[Karily]

Lol. This is why we'll all end up buying DA3 ... 'cause DA2, like most "sequels," seems like the prologue for a greater third story. Leliana doesn't say who the "Warden" is .... I would absolutely LOVE it if it were the "Hero of Ferelden," thus combining both of the characters I've enjoyed playing. Yet it could far more easily be Carver / Bethany or Anders or the elf gal from Awakening (see how memorable she was ... I can't remember her name)... and while it shouldn't be Anders (since my Champion was so furious at him that she killed him ... there's that stupid glitch in Varric's epilogue that says he remains with her). My guess is that the lost Warden will either be Carver / Bethany or perhaps an entirely new character (since I'm not savvy enough to see how they could use the original Warden without huge plot holes).

Karily (off to kill Anders again, just for the h*** of it)

[IronVanguard]

They're both rather important and strong people.

Besides, if you're a human mage Warden, you're a cousin of some sort to Hawke. Clearly they're setting it up so you could have a family mage/hero team up.

[Chadthesad]

Soundsystem wrote...

I think other countries in game, and their people, would definately know who the Hero of Ferelden was. Stopping the Blight that quickly was a really rare thing, usually they take a decade or so to defeat. So the Hero's story would likely have spread pretty wide. You hear tons of NPC's in the game talking about the Hero so I wouldn't say it's a stretch at all.

They are clearly looking for both the Warden and the Champion. Both of whom have apparently gone missing within a very small timeframe. Leliana and the Seeker think that the disappearances are related.

Likely the want both the Warden and the Champions help against whatever is looming. Considering both are impressive figures, who have good track records of stopping these kinds of things, and with powerful fighting skills to boot.

What is confusing about this?

Well stated. The pieces for a solid trilogy are there and beyond.

[nomzy]

Just going to put this out there.. If the chantry had the warden on their side I think people would be atleast a little scared to fight someone who killed an archdemon.. Just a little.
World's on the brink of war, might be useful to have that sort of person on your side.. >.>

[AlexXIV]

Karily wrote...

Lol. This is why we'll all end up buying DA3 ... 'cause DA2, like most "sequels," seems like the prologue for a greater third story. Leliana doesn't say who the "Warden" is .... I would absolutely LOVE it if it were the "Hero of Ferelden," thus combining both of the characters I've enjoyed playing. Yet it could far more easily be Carver / Bethany or Anders or the elf gal from Awakening (see how memorable she was ... I can't remember her name)... and while it shouldn't be Anders (since my Champion was so furious at him that she killed him ... there's that stupid glitch in Varric's epilogue that says he remains with her). My guess is that the lost Warden will either be Carver / Bethany or perhaps an entirely new character (since I'm not savvy enough to see how they could use the original Warden without huge plot holes).

Karily (off to kill Anders again, just for the h*** of it)

No it is our Warden from DA:O. Carver and Bethany can't be it since I don't make them Warden. It could be a new warden but that would be silly. If they gave us a new hero then probably not a Warden again. Then they could just use our 'old' Warden who will also only be about 30 at the end of DA2. Just like Hawke. They are looking for the ones who can keep the world from falling apart. So it can't be some nobodies. Pretty sure our heroes.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 15 mars 2011 - 01:25 .

[Aurawolf]

Well the problem a Warden faces is the neutrality of thier station, the same reason Duncan couldn't stop the death of the human nobles and considering the stories of how out of touch the wardens in Wiesshaupt are said to be who knows maybe the Warden could rally the Grey Wardens in other parts of the world if the cause is considered worth it. There happens to be a lot of if's involved in just about anything involving the wardens like what is the deal during the attack by the Qunari when you run into some wardens and they have more important matters to tend to?

Another aspect that could swing the balance of power in the southern regions of Thedas is what is going on with Orlais? If that erupts into civil war Fereldon would become the dominate power in the south with Kirkwall still in shatters and no real leadership it sounds like at the end.

[AlexXIV]

The Wardens are usually neutral, but they do make exceptions. For example they joined the exalted march against the qunari and they supported the rebels against a tyrant king in Ferelden (Warden Keep dlc).

[Dangerfoot]

I have no idea why they are interested in my Warden because she didn't disappear, she died killing the Archdemon.

And funny sidenote: after she died, Allistair ruled that there should be a new mage tower built that has no templar interference. Bye bye 90% of the things that happened in my playthrough!

Modifié par Dangerfoot, 15 mars 2011 - 01:36 .

[VettoRyouzou]

AlexXIV wrote...

The Wardens are usually neutral, but they do make exceptions. For example they joined the exalted march against the qunari and they supported the rebels against a tyrant king in Ferelden (Warden Keep dlc).

I don't think they want the warden for the sake of picking a side but for the sake of ending the war finding a way for peace the Warden has shown he can unite people perhaps the hopes he can find a way to fix this problem quickly and as peaceful as possible.

[Eludajae]

Well I am going to answer your question without looking at this whole thread. It goes like this, yes you are the champion of Kirkwall and yes you probably helped start the Mage Wars, but the Warden was the one that killed an Archdaemon and survived nearly single-handedly stopped the Blight and a second one in Awakenings. When the Circles rebelled, I am certain their first thought was ask The Warden for help, when he/she was discovered to be gone mysteriously, and then they went to the next person on their list of world saviors, the Champion, and whoops their gone too.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Why do the seekers care about the Warden? Well the Warden did unite a country that was on the brink of a civil war and was able to muster the forces to end a Blight in under two years... You're right why would they want that kind of person? I mean all of Thedas is on the brink of a civil war and... oh wait that kind of seems like something the Warden would be good at fixing doesn't it? lol

[Abstract]

I'll give you another example. The President(Obama) is only the president of the US, but does that mean he only has influence within the US? of course not.

[TheJist]

Yeah pretty sure people knew it was blight when a huge freaking corrupted dragon flew over the capital of Fereldan.

[arega333]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Jaredor wrote...

Even if people doubted it was a blight you are talking about someone who has experience in raising armies and leading them to victory despite the odds, now in a world on the brink of war that is definately the kind of person I would want on my side. Plus the warden would be a legend among the Grey Wardens after what happened in both DAO and DAA so you would also potentially have the Grey Wardens, an elite military force, on whoevers side the Warden is on.

He can obtain aid for blights, he cant raise armies for another purpose.. The Dalish and Dwarves will not give him aid in some Foreign war. They would be idiots to do that. Why would they get involved in someone elses war? When you make Allies.. You Make Enemies.
And he certainly couldn't demand aid from the circles since they will be to busy fighting templars

Eh, he can be either a paragon or elf which could get their help. Also, the dwarves helped maric at gwaren so sometimes people will elp.

[NRO TYN]

XxDeonxX wrote...

I mean,its not like he has any influence outside Ferelden to help calm the situation anway.. If he went anywhere outside Ferelden like, Orlais or The Free Marches even.. they'd be like. Wtf? Whos this guy? Most of the public even doubt the blight is real.. So what help could he even be to the situation with the Templars / Mages???

Who to say how much influence the warden had in these 7yrs, seeing how my warden is king im pretty sure his name is heard all over Thedas im mean like he like the first Warden-King

[Karily]

Thanks - I didn't know there was an option about Carver / Bethany! Gotta admire the developers for cliffhangers ...
.

Still ... (playing devil's advocate) ... Leliana's still looking for the "Warden" (and since my HoF romanced her and returned after Awakenings to wander along with her, she should darn well know where he is). Without plot holes, just about the only one who would qualify is the elf Mage from "Awakenings" (since we all had the "sacrifice" option in game 1 and thus the "Warden" could be dead as a doornail). Hmmmm.

Karily

AlexXIV wrote...

Karily wrote...

Lol. This is why we'll all end up buying DA3 ... 'cause DA2, like most "sequels," seems like the prologue for a greater third story. Leliana doesn't say who the "Warden" is .... I would absolutely LOVE it if it were the "Hero of Ferelden," thus combining both of the characters I've enjoyed playing. Yet it could far more easily be Carver / Bethany or Anders or the elf gal from Awakening (see how memorable she was ... I can't remember her name)... and while it shouldn't be Anders (since my Champion was so furious at him that she killed him ... there's that stupid glitch in Varric's epilogue that says he remains with her). My guess is that the lost Warden will either be Carver / Bethany or perhaps an entirely new character (since I'm not savvy enough to see how they could use the original Warden without huge plot holes).

Karily (off to kill Anders again, just for the h*** of it)

No it is our Warden from DA:O. Carver and Bethany can't be it since I don't make them Warden. It could be a new warden but that would be silly. If they gave us a new hero then probably not a Warden again. Then they could just use our 'old' Warden who will also only be about 30 at the end of DA2. Just like Hawke. They are looking for the ones who can keep the world from falling apart. So it can't be some nobodies. Pretty sure our heroes.

[LobselVith8]

That's a good point. If the Hero of Ferelden was from the Circle of Magi and asked for the Magi boon, why the frak would he do anything to help the Seekers reclaim control since the loss of the Templar Order and the mages of the Circle who broke free from the Chantry? I imagine his response would be the same as the Chantry's was for the ruler of Ferelden regarding the Magi boon - no. I imagine it would be similar for a Dalish Warden who was taught that the war with the Dales began when Templars were sent into their nation to force conversion, according to the Dalish codex.

[Karily]

Totally agree with you from my armchair, Lobse (and don't I SO wish I had a hand in writing this?!). Sounds like the world is going to be under such a threat that it'll take both the Champion and a Warden (in Varric's words), to put it back together ... and the only Warden who is qualified is the Dalish Elf. Ggg. This is SUCH fun! ('tho honestly, I hope Varric plays a big part in the next incarnation. Can't get enough of that voice of his, his self-designated role as storyteller, or his "anonymous" kindness in protecting his fellow NPCs in Kirkwall). Guess who hated DA2 halfway through but is now coming around?

Karily