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[Karily]

Velanna. There. I had to look it up. Anyone want to start a virtual betting pool to guess that she is Leliana's 'Warden"?

[Kingthlayer]

I don't think it really matters that they're looking for the Warden. I feel the Wardens story is finished. I mean to allow the Warden to come back as a playable character would require 6 voice actors for each race/gender combination, and then everyone will complain that they pictured the voice different and they'll start crying.

Unless we go back in time to boring mutes.

I also heard the scene at the end of the game is bugged in that Leliana says the Warden is gone even if said Warden is dead.

[Karily]

. That's one of the intriguing things, Mac - there are Wardens (NOT, in all cases, the Hero of Ferelden) who still live or who have "vanished" (like Velanna). I have to say that in my first play-through of DA2 ... as I started wondering in 'Act 1 about why I'd spent so much money for a game that didn't (at that point) seems to have the depth of character development of DA1) ... that I thought the developers had totally deserted the characters of DA1. When Leliana showed up in that epilogue, I screamed with the same joy (and volume) that embarrassed my husband when Barbossa showed up at the end of the movie 'Pirates of the "Caribbean' 2). Sequels often seem disappointing ... until, at the end. you find that you've been drawn into a larger story. Can't wait to see who Liliana's actual "Warden" is ...

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

LobselVith8 wrote...

That's a good point. If the Hero of Ferelden was from the Circle of Magi and asked for the Magi boon, why the frak would he do anything to help the Seekers reclaim control since the loss of the Templar Order and the mages of the Circle who broke free from the Chantry? I imagine his response would be the same as the Chantry's was for the ruler of Ferelden regarding the Magi boon - no. I imagine it would be similar for a Dalish Warden who was taught that the war with the Dales began when Templars were sent into their nation to force conversion, according to the Dalish codex.

Because, presumably, the Hero of Ferelden isn't insane (or a fourth grader) and doesn't think having all those Blood Mages and abominations running around in the name of Freedom and Justice for all is a Good Idea.

When every mage in the game except Bethany and Feyndrial turn out to be Blood Mages, and when Leliana hints at a secret force behind the scenes pushing this conflict and that all the Blood Mages you fight on the streets are part of this secret force, it becomes fairly clear that this issue has very little to do with Mage freedom.

I doubt the world would be falling apart if the mages had been all sunshine and rainbows. They haven't been. Even ****ing Orsino goes bat **** crazy. 

[VettoRyouzou]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

That's a good point. If the Hero of Ferelden was from the Circle of Magi and asked for the Magi boon, why the frak would he do anything to help the Seekers reclaim control since the loss of the Templar Order and the mages of the Circle who broke free from the Chantry? I imagine his response would be the same as the Chantry's was for the ruler of Ferelden regarding the Magi boon - no. I imagine it would be similar for a Dalish Warden who was taught that the war with the Dales began when Templars were sent into their nation to force conversion, according to the Dalish codex.

Because, presumably, the Hero of Ferelden isn't insane (or a fourth grader) and doesn't think having all those Blood Mages and abominations running around in the name of Freedom and Justice for all is a Good Idea.

When every mage in the game except Bethany and Feyndrial turn out to be Blood Mages, and when Leliana hints at a secret force behind the scenes pushing this conflict and that all the Blood Mages you fight on the streets are part of this secret force, it becomes fairly clear that this issue has very little to do with Mage freedom.

I doubt the world would be falling apart if the mages had been all sunshine and rainbows. They haven't been. Even ****ing Orsino goes bat **** crazy. 

That was my biggest issue with DA, I had no Wynne mage, Every mage in this game is off there rocker and I'm even pro mage O.o;.

[Augustei]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Aurawolf wrote...

By the same logic used what influence would the Champion of Kirkwall? The only ones it might hold some weight is the Qunari. Also don't forget who seems to have some sort of influence in the Chantry now, and she knows the Warden.

The Champion of Kirkwall? He holds weight with either the Templars or the circles.. both of which are the main bodies in the war right now. Whereas the influence the warden holds is really unrelated to the war.

How is it unrelated? The war is between Mage and Templar as a whole Not just Kirkwall and Fereldain and both the Warden and Champion had deep work with Both sides so again it seem your just wanting to be right and pulling half facts as back up.

Half Facts? Why the hell would having good relations with people not even involved in the war and most likely not wanting to be involved any help.. He will loose Warden support upon breaking Neutrality. Alistair even says the wardens were furious that they did break Neutrality.. even tho it was necessary. He has decent relations with 1 circle! 1! and Zevran is yet to take over the crows so he doesn't have their support. These aren't half facts these are truths.

[Augustei]

AlexXIV wrote...

Karily wrote...

Lol. This is why we'll all end up buying DA3 ... 'cause DA2, like most "sequels," seems like the prologue for a greater third story. Leliana doesn't say who the "Warden" is .... I would absolutely LOVE it if it were the "Hero of Ferelden," thus combining both of the characters I've enjoyed playing. Yet it could far more easily be Carver / Bethany or Anders or the elf gal from Awakening (see how memorable she was ... I can't remember her name)... and while it shouldn't be Anders (since my Champion was so furious at him that she killed him ... there's that stupid glitch in Varric's epilogue that says he remains with her). My guess is that the lost Warden will either be Carver / Bethany or perhaps an entirely new character (since I'm not savvy enough to see how they could use the original Warden without huge plot holes).

Karily (off to kill Anders again, just for the h*** of it)

No it is our Warden from DA:O. Carver and Bethany can't be it since I don't make them Warden. It could be a new warden but that would be silly. If they gave us a new hero then probably not a Warden again. Then they could just use our 'old' Warden who will also only be about 30 at the end of DA2. Just like Hawke. They are looking for the ones who can keep the world from falling apart. So it can't be some nobodies. Pretty sure our heroes.

30 for you maybe.

My Warden is 38 at the end of DA2 and my Hawke is 45

[Augustei]

Aurawolf wrote...

Well the problem a Warden faces is the neutrality of thier station, the same reason Duncan couldn't stop the death of the human nobles and considering the stories of how out of touch the wardens in Wiesshaupt are said to be who knows maybe the Warden could rally the Grey Wardens in other parts of the world if the cause is considered worth it. There happens to be a lot of if's involved in just about anything involving the wardens like what is the deal during the attack by the Qunari when you run into some wardens and they have more important matters to tend to?

Another aspect that could swing the balance of power in the southern regions of Thedas is what is going on with Orlais? If that erupts into civil war Fereldon would become the dominate power in the south with Kirkwall still in shatters and no real leadership it sounds like at the end.

Indeed the wardens centainly could make a big difference, But wardens do recruit from all areas so there would probably be a large divide in their ranks if they choose a side which could tear their order apart.. The First Warden Wouldn't allow it

[Augustei]

AlexXIV wrote...

The Wardens are usually neutral, but they do make exceptions. For example they joined the exalted march against the qunari and they supported the rebels against a tyrant king in Ferelden (Warden Keep dlc).

The wardens in Fereldan would have been denied support from the other wardens most likely, otherwise they would have won

[ashwind]

XxDeonxX wrote...
My Warden is 38 at the end of DA2 and my Hawke is 45

Hawke cannot be 45... In the beginning, Gamlen said that Leandra ran away with a mage 25 years ago, so lets say Hawke was born immediately, that would make him 25 when he escaped the blight. 10 years passed so he should be 35.

[Augustei]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Why do the seekers care about the Warden? Well the Warden did unite a country that was on the brink of a civil war and was able to muster the forces to end a Blight in under two years... You're right why would they want that kind of person? I mean all of Thedas is on the brink of a civil war and... oh wait that kind of seems like something the Warden would be good at fixing doesn't it? lol

No, it doesn't seem like he could fix it at all. Because A) He Cant break neutrality and  He cant make claims on the treaties since this is not a blight. If he tried either of these he would find himself without any army and little support.. He could get Ferelden support But Ferelden is Thedas and they dont have the Millitary might to take on most of the countries in Thedas.. they've been devistated by blight and are seemingly not Millitary Noteworthy anyway.. All the others seem to pass them in power save for Rivain and The Free Marches... And Antiva but they have the crows and no general wants to take an army there

[Augustei]

ashwind wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...
My Warden is 38 at the end of DA2 and my Hawke is 45

Hawke cannot be 45... In the beginning, Gamlen said that Leandra ran away with a mage 25 years ago, so lets say Hawke was born immediately, that would make him 25 when he escaped the blight. 10 years passed so he should be 35.

You meet Gamlen in 9.31 dragon, so 25 years before that would be 9.06 dragon.. the game ends in 9.40 dragon, so Hawke would be 34 at the end of the game. so 24 at the start... But idc about that anyway.. My Hawke is 45 mmk?!?!?!? =D

[Vilegrim]

XxDeonxX wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

You do realize.. the Warden ended a Blight before it could even a mass to a global problem which most blight actually go to, He also Allied a Nation together to help fight off the blight why would you not one a hero who can also unite people to help you in a war?

Yes.. he Allied a nation, not the world.. and he ended a blight which its existence is doubted.

The Warden is Commander of the Gray remember.  

[Augustei]

II That Burn In Ya Ass II wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

I mean,its not like he has any influence outside Ferelden to help calm the situation anway.. If he went anywhere outside Ferelden like, Orlais or The Free Marches even.. they'd be like. Wtf? Whos this guy? Most of the public even doubt the blight is real.. So what help could he even be to the situation with the Templars / Mages???

Who to say how much influence the warden had in these 7yrs, seeing how my warden is king im pretty sure his name is heard all over Thedas im mean like he like the first Warden-King

He's not King when Cass & Leliana are speaking, he's gone..With no Monarch The Nobles would have replaced him with someone else

[Evil Asch]

The Warden may not be as influential outside of Ferelden as inside but he/she will certainly have more pull and influence than the average citizen or even the average Warden.

But, recall that Wardens are forbidden to get involved in politics - outside of stopping a blight.

[jabajack]

Both are importantfor different reasons.

Hawke is an idol to some and a hated figure to others. Varric mentions that the story of him grows wilder over time so many could argue how evil/good he was.

The Warden I would say is a symbol first an foremost, ending the blight, uniting the lands, fate of the circle, dalish and dwarven kingdom rested on him. As for the warden not being known outside Ferelden, when Cassandra doubts Varric's tale he reminds her of the Warden, so at some point many people from many nations could arguably have heard of the Warden.

As for the person i would say that the Warden is more powerful than Hawke from being a Warden. All the enemies the Warden fought, he strength his gained from the Fade (the essences), gaining the knowledge of the old powers (arcane warrior) and having the power of his blood unlocked through avernus's alchemy.

I'd say the Warden would be a powerful ally from that alone.

[Dhevhan keith]

As much as I love Hawke, it is obvious that the Warden would win, what with all his 'extra' abilities.

[Edge2177]

The warden is necessary, because in both cases the thing which stabilized the city and saved everyone in the end was a central figure, who for whatever reason or another is completely missing. They need someone to stop what is coming, because there is a hidden agenda to manipulate the world behind the scenes towards chaos... and change.

[MDT1]

Dangerfoot wrote...

I have no idea why they are interested in my Warden because she didn't disappear, she died killing the Archdemon.

And funny sidenote: after she died, Allistair ruled that there should be a new mage tower built that has no templar interference. Bye bye 90% of the things that happened in my playthrough!

I think "the Warden" is the character from Awakenings and only if it explicitly states hero of ferelden its our DAO character. Depending on your playthrough they are the same or not, but awakenings took place before DA2 even if you didn't play it.


Also the warden (no matter if dao or awakenings) is a powerfull person with good connection that is a natural leader, you want someone like this on your side.

And in a worldwide conflict the wardens wouldn't stay neutral, there is no need to stop blights when no one is left to be saved.

Modifié par MDT1, 15 mars 2011 - 09:46 .

[HarlequinKing]

"And funny sidenote: after she died, Allistair ruled that there should be a new mage tower built that has no templar interference. Bye bye 90% of the things that happened in my playthrough!"

If I recall correctly, the Circle of Magi in Ferelden declines to accept the Mage boon. Maybe the new tower got built, but they actually prefer templar oversight. Ironically, in Awakening, when you catch up with Wynne and she talks about the Libertarian movement, even Anders will say it's crazy to get rid of the templars entirely! LOL. Talk about a complete reversal of character.

[hismastersvoice]

Warden killed a goddamn archdemon. He's Thedas equivalent of a suitcase nuclear charge, of course C(hantry)IA would care for him.

[Silentmode]

The Warden killed an Archdemon and has the loyalty of Ferelden and I would imagine could be very influential on the political side of The Wardens maybe even more so than The First Warden, he/she could find people that would want to join his/her cause but thats beside the point. I don't think the Seekers are even looking for The Warden, they only want to find Hawke... well Leliana may have a personal interest in finding the Warden which may be why she joined the Seekers but I'm pretty sure Cass and the rest are only concerned with Hawke. When they mentioned the Warden it was likely only in comparison to Hawke for them both mysteriously dissapearring.

[Augustei]

MDT1 wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

I have no idea why they are interested in my Warden because she didn't disappear, she died killing the Archdemon.

And funny sidenote: after she died, Allistair ruled that there should be a new mage tower built that has no templar interference. Bye bye 90% of the things that happened in my playthrough!

I think "the Warden" is the character from Awakenings and only if it explicitly states hero of ferelden its our DAO character. Depending on your playthrough they are the same or not, but awakenings took place before DA2 even if you didn't play it.


Also the warden (no matter if dao or awakenings) is a powerfull person with good connection that is a natural leader, you want someone like this on your side.

And in a worldwide conflict the wardens wouldn't stay neutral, there is no need to stop blights when no one is left to be saved.

If the wardens choose a side there would be a definite divide  in their ranks, they recruit from all over remember. Dwarves, elves, mages, barbarians and kings.

Their order would fall apart if they choose a side, and The First Warden is no idiot he would know this. I really doubt the wardens would pick a side.

[jabajack]

That depends on what exactly the Wardens find in the Deep roads and what the deal is with the red lyrium. It is quite likely the Wardens will stay neutral in each nation and depending on their political influence in each area, act as mediators or peace keepers.

My Warden left behind in Amaranthine an arling that is in awe of the order and who have one the strongest fighting forces in Ferelden.