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[Z-Dragon]

I thought she said the portal would take you further then he could imagine to a place beyond the fade, yet the warden is back in his acting role as the Warden Commander, wtf Morrigan?

[Nathan Redgrave]

Z-Dragon wrote...

I thought she said the portal would take you further then he could imagine to a place beyond the fade, yet the warden is back in his acting role as the Warden Commander, wtf Morrigan?

First off, which year are we referring to? If it's the first year, that's practically right after the Blight, and thus before Witch Hunt.

[Brockololly]

The Warden came back to Denerim to stock up on groceries, makeup for Morrigan and a Nintendo 3DS for the Old God Baby.

[Z-Dragon]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Z-Dragon wrote...

I thought she said the portal would take you further then he could imagine to a place beyond the fade, yet the warden is back in his acting role as the Warden Commander, wtf Morrigan?

First off, which year are we referring to? If it's the first year, that's practically right after the Blight, and thus before Witch Hunt.

Year 7, when Nathaniel is talking about the Warden Commander's orders and the Architect as the Warden's ally

[TJPags]

Z-Dragon wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Z-Dragon wrote...

I thought she said the portal would take you further then he could imagine to a place beyond the fade, yet the warden is back in his acting role as the Warden Commander, wtf Morrigan?

First off, which year are we referring to? If it's the first year, that's practically right after the Blight, and thus before Witch Hunt.

Year 7, when Nathaniel is talking about the Warden Commander's orders and the Architect as the Warden's ally

Well, maybe that warden didn't go through the mirror.

And there are no flags from WH that are read in DA2.  So whatever the Warden did in WH isn't registered by this game.

Contrary to what they told us.

[Myrmedus]

Z-Dragon wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Z-Dragon wrote...

I thought she said the portal would take you further then he could imagine to a place beyond the fade, yet the warden is back in his acting role as the Warden Commander, wtf Morrigan?

First off, which year are we referring to? If it's the first year, that's practically right after the Blight, and thus before Witch Hunt.

Year 7, when Nathaniel is talking about the Warden Commander's orders and the Architect as the Warden's ally

He does? He never said that the Architect was the Warden's ally in my playthrough, and I spared the Architect. He simply said he was very dangerous then when I asked where he got the intel from he said it was complicated (ie. the Awakened Darkspawn).

Anyway, he never says the Warden-Commander gave him the mission he said the First Warden gave him the mission - those are not the same thing. The First Warden is the head of the entire Grey Warden order - If you read one of the books on a table in Vigil's Keep in DAA it gives you a Codex entry about the First Warden.

Brockololly wrote...

The Warden came back to Denerim to stock up on groceries, makeup for Morrigan and a Nintendo 3DS for the Old God Baby.

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Modifié par Myrmedus, 14 mars 2011 - 11:56 .

[Z-Dragon]

Maybe then retconned the timeline and WH didn't end up happening until year 10?

[Myrmedus]

??

I'm still not seeing the problem. First Warden =/= Warden-Commander

[Merced652]

Brockololly wrote...

The Warden came back to Denerim to stock up on groceries, makeup for Morrigan and a Nintendo 3DS for the Old God Baby.

Yea that line pissed me off, and people wonder why we think the writing is ****ty.

[Red Templar]

Myrmedus wrote...
He does? He never said that the Architect was the Warden's ally in my playthrough, and I spared the Architect. He simply said he was very dangerous then when I asked where he got the intel from he said it was complicated (ie. the Awakened Darkspawn).

Anyway, he never says the Warden-Commander gave him the mission he said the First Warden gave him the mission - those are not the same thing. The First Warden is the head of the entire Grey Warden order - If you read one of the books on a table in Vigil's Keep in DAA it gives you a Codex entry about the First Warden.

I killed the bugger, but I also got told that he's the Warden Commander's ally by Nate.

So either the CANON STICK has come out or it is just a save import bug.

[Teddie Sage]

Witch Hunt doesn't work as a flag on DA2 past event yet. Someone from BioWare said so on another thread. Only Origins and Awakening as flags.

[Myrmedus]

Still, the dialogue actually says First Warden I believe so you've probably just gotten the two confused.

[Z-Dragon]

the Warden-Commander is the one who has the allies, and the First Warden is the one who pushed the mission forward.

and also in Year 7, King Alistair said the Warden should be back in Denerim

[Nathan Redgrave]

Well, I was working with the default history, and not one where the Warden specifically went off and had demon babies with Morrigan, so there's no reason he wouldn't be in Denerim. Exactly when the Warden might have disappeared by Cassandra's reckoning is unclear, though.

When the Warden-Commander was mentioned, I thought it was in reference to the quest you can pick up in the "No Compromise" version of the history--were you hunt down Amaranthine nobles who conspired against the Commander.

[Red Templar]

Myrmedus wrote...

Still, the dialogue actually says First Warden I believe so you've probably just gotten the two confused.

No, that particular part says Warden Commander. Honest.

[Soundsystem]

Myrmedus wrote...

Z-Dragon wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Z-Dragon wrote...

I thought she said the portal would take you further then he could imagine to a place beyond the fade, yet the warden is back in his acting role as the Warden Commander, wtf Morrigan?

First off, which year are we referring to? If it's the first year, that's practically right after the Blight, and thus before Witch Hunt.

Year 7, when Nathaniel is talking about the Warden Commander's orders and the Architect as the Warden's ally

He does? He never said that the Architect was the Warden's ally in my playthrough, and I spared the Architect. He simply said he was very dangerous then when I asked where he got the intel from he said it was complicated (ie. the Awakened Darkspawn).

Anyway, he never says the Warden-Commander gave him the mission he said the First Warden gave him the mission - those are not the same thing. The First Warden is the head of the entire Grey Warden order - If you read one of the books on a table in Vigil's Keep in DAA it gives you a Codex entry about the First Warden.

Nathaniel definately mentioned the Warden-Commander sparing the Architect in my playthrough of DA2. But I haven't played Witch Hunt so nothing was odd there.

I would imagine something with importing the games flags messed up in both the OP's case and in your case.

@OP: If you have all the DLC there is an order in which the DLC must be done to ensure correct flagging. I can't remember what it is, but you should look it up to see if that could be the problem.

[Myrmedus]

I think we've gotten different dialogue to be honest. Perhaps the fact mine said the Architect was dangerous is why I didn't get reference to the Warden-Commander? Still, an odd comment, because if Nate is saying the Architect is dangerous - as in, in the present tense - that means he lives...yet he only lives if I ally with him but Nate doesn't refer to him as an ally? Wtf.

Yeah, this part was a bit off I think...

Modifié par Myrmedus, 15 mars 2011 - 12:11 .

[Brockololly]

I think its been mentioned by one of the devs that the Architect reference is a bug, if you killed him.

But as for Alistair in Year 7 saying the Hero of Ferelden is returning, it really doesn't seem to make much sense, as if you went through the Eluvian, well, shouldn't you be in Eluvian Land still? And even beyond that, the epilogue slides in Awakening had the Warden vanishing. Which at least would mesh with the end to DA2 where Cassandra says the Warden is gone. So it would seem Alistair and Teagan are wrong, unless the Warden disappeared yet again after year 7.

[Z-Dragon]

The order is Origins -> Awakening -> Golems -> Witch Hunt, which is what I did.

Speaking of which, has anyone seen Golems' effect yet?

[Red Templar]

Myrmedus wrote...

I think we've gotten different dialogue to be honest. Perhaps the fact mine said the Architect was dangerous is why I didn't get reference to the Warden-Commander? Still, an odd comment, because if Nate is saying the Architect is dangerous - as in, in the present tense - that means he lives...yet he only lives if I ally with him but Nate doesn't refer to him as an ally? Wtf.

Yeah, this part was a bit off I think...

I got that part in addition to the allies comment. I'd have to do another playthrough to recall what prompted it though.

[Thomas9321]

Y'know, Witch Hunt could have quite easily taken place 5 years or so after Origins. Honestly, the only slightly off thing is Alistair mentioning the Warden arriving in Denerim, but that meeting could have been arranged prior to WH and he/she could have no showed, or the Warden came back from magic-Eluvian-land for a visit.

[Z-Dragon]

Brockololly wrote...

I think its been mentioned by one of the devs that the Architect reference is a bug, if you killed him.

But as for Alistair in Year 7 saying the Hero of Ferelden is returning, it really doesn't seem to make much sense, as if you went through the Eluvian, well, shouldn't you be in Eluvian Land still? And even beyond that, the epilogue slides in Awakening had the Warden vanishing. Which at least would mesh with the end to DA2 where Cassandra says the Warden is gone. So it would seem Alistair and Teagan are wrong, unless the Warden disappeared yet again after year 7.

Yeah, I think Bioware has thrown Epilogues out the window, considering you can get an Epilogue slide in Awakening that says Anders and Justice die, but no matter what they're going to show up

[TJPags]

Brockololly wrote...

I think its been mentioned by one of the devs that the Architect reference is a bug, if you killed him.

But as for Alistair in Year 7 saying the Hero of Ferelden is returning, it really doesn't seem to make much sense, as if you went through the Eluvian, well, shouldn't you be in Eluvian Land still? And even beyond that, the epilogue slides in Awakening had the Warden vanishing. Which at least would mesh with the end to DA2 where Cassandra says the Warden is gone. So it would seem Alistair and Teagan are wrong, unless the Warden disappeared yet again after year 7.

DA2 does not recognize any flags from WH. 

So whether the Warden went into the Eluvian, knifed Morrigan, or walked away, DA2 doesn't know that.

Also, epilogue slides are rumor and hearsay, Brock  . . .you know this, don't you?

[Doc Faust]

Indications that the Architect is the Warden Commander's ally say nothing about the current location of the Warden. Awakening happens before Witch Hunt. He made the agreement in Awakenings, and then vanished a year or so later.

[WhiteKnyght]

The First Warden is the leader of the entire order of the Grey Wardens. Not the Hero of Ferelden.

Also "Warden-Commander" doesn't need to refer to the Hero either. After he vanishes someone has to take up the position.