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[javierdmr1982]

When i spoke with sandal in the hawkes home the father tells me that sandal is scary about because he saw an old woman in her room and she was watching the sandals fathers while he sleep. Why flemeth is interested in sandal?

[Chadthesad]

I doubt Flemeth is fen'harel. It could be possible though. The Dalish regard her highly as Asha'bellanar. She is definitely influencing events. She did have Maric swear to an unknown promise, and warned him of a looming blight. She is definitely a mystery.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Merced652 wrote...

Its pretty obvious she is fen'harel, which is exactly who merrill was talking about. The Dread Wolf.

I got this impression as well. It seemed pretty clear that the Keepers (and those who are supposed to become them) at least, know Flemeth if something far more than just Asha'bellanar. 

She's definitely not an Old God. We know what happens when a Warden slays an Old God. That didn't happen when she/he kills Flemeth in DA:O.

Though, whatever Flemeth is, it's obvious the Dalish know more about her than we do. I was incredibly ticked off at the writing team for having that conversation between Merril and Flemeth and then not letting us talk to Merril about it. You know they did that just to ****** us off. 

Modifié par kjdhgfiliuhwe, 15 mars 2011 - 01:29 .

[AlexXIV]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Its pretty obvious she is fen'harel, which is exactly who merrill was talking about. The Dread Wolf.

I got this impression as well. It seemed pretty clear that the Keepers (and those who are supposed to become them) at least, know Flemeth if something far more than just Asha'bellanar. 

She's definitely not an Old God. We know what happens when a Warden slays an Old God. That didn't happen when she/he kills Flemeth in DA:O.

Though, whatever Flemeth is, it's obvious the Dalish know more about her than we do. I was incredibly ticked off at the writing team for having that conversation between Merril and Flemeth and then not letting us talk to Merril about it. You know they did that just to ****** us off. 

Well Archdemons are not Old Gods. For all we know the Chantry claims they are tainted Old Gods. So you probably don't need a Warden to slay an Old God. Or better said, a Warden won't be enough to slay one.

[WhiteKnyght]

The Architect himself called them the old gods. he even named the fifth Archdemon that rose as the old god Urthemiel.

The old gods were beings that the Imperium worshipped before the Chantry came around

[UltiPup]

The fact that Merril shows a bit of respect for Flemeth proves it to me that she cannot be the Dread Wolf. When Merril tells the story of the Dread Wolf, it sounds like something all the Dalish are wary of or fear. She did not fear Flemeth. Whatever Flemeth is, is more spectacular than we could imagine.

[Xivlia]

i thought Flemmeth in this game was Morrigan at first

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

UltiPup wrote...

The fact that Merril shows a bit of respect for Flemeth proves it to me that she cannot be the Dread Wolf. When Merril tells the story of the Dread Wolf, it sounds like something all the Dalish are wary of or fear. She did not fear Flemeth. Whatever Flemeth is, is more spectacular than we could imagine.

Are you kidding me? She didn't fear Flemeth? *blink*

Is this the same Merril who tells you how lucky you were because almost anyone who talks with Flemeth ends up in pieces hanging from the trees? If this is based on a better understanding of Flemeth (and the Dalish certainly seem to have that), then it makes Flemeth's rather polite dealings with you and the Warder even more suspicious really. It really struck home how unique you and the Warden really were.

I assure you, Merril was quaking in her boots when meeting whatever she thinks Flemeth really is. It's a testement to her training as Keeper that she didn't pee in fright really, considering her personality. 

I'm hoping at some point we see the real Flemeth personality, as I'm 100% confident the ones she shown us, the player, are all ruses. I imagine it will be both terrifying and magnificent. 

Modifié par kjdhgfiliuhwe, 15 mars 2011 - 02:07 .

[Thurgret]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The Architect himself called them the old gods. he even named the fifth Archdemon that rose as the old god Urthemiel.

The old gods were beings that the Imperium worshipped before the Chantry came around

If the Architect is to be believed - and I don't think that the Architect ever really lies - then it was his (?) fault that the Fifth Blight even happened, due to him having awoken that particular Old God in some experiment or another. Now, how the Architect initially gained sentience at all is a different matter entirely.

Flemeth the Dread Wolf? Possibly. Immortal if she plans it out, though quite what use Morrigan was meant to be to her if she can simply store part of herself in an amulet and be reborn that way, I'm not sure.

Is there any condition under which Merrill manages to restore the Eluvian? In my playthrough, she failed due to the Keeper's 'intervention'. That Eluvian seems strangely significant to me -- certainly if you take a look at Witch Hunt, and assume that Morrigan entering the Eluvian should be considered canon whether the Warden saw it or not (in my own version, my Warden went through with her). Looking at how significant the Warden is viewed to be by the Chantry, along with the Champion, and Leliana's blatant foreshadowing of events to come with the remark at the end about how the two disappearing is no coincidence, I begin to lean more and more towards the Eluvian and certain old pieces of elven lore being rather significant, getting to the point that, yes, the Dread Wolf may well be hanging around Thedas too.

Then Sandal. Hah. Oh dear. Sandal. Bodahn fails to mention if they found dead darkspawn when they found Sandal. Then he's hanging round Fort Drakon with a bunch of dead darkspawn all around when the Warden and co. pass through. In the Deep Roads during DA 2, there's that frozen ogre. Then there's a bunch more dead stuff and a dead Pride Demon towards the end game, all where Sandal's hanging out. Sandal's an anomaly with a knack for tagging along with 'significant' people. I assumed the dead darkspawn in Origins were just for a laugh, but it just keeps on going in DA 2, so I've revised that particular opinion some. No clue what Sandal really is, though. Why did he not just waste the darkspawn attacking him and Bodahn on the highway near Lothering? Actually, not even going to speculate on that.

[NRO TYN]

Fen'harel=Flemeth

They do kinda match but then if she is the dread wolf what does that make morrigan?

[TexasToast712]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

That would make sense

I would also suspect she was the one who caused the whole Blight thing.

No, the Architect caused the fifth blight.

[TexasToast712]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...
She's definitely not an Old God. We know what happens when a Warden slays an Old God. That didn't happen when she/he kills Flemeth in DA:O.

That only holds true for Old Gods tainted by Darkspawn. If Flemeth is an Old God she is clearly not tainted.

[Thurgret]

TexasToast712 wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

That would make sense

I would also suspect she was the one who caused the whole Blight thing.

No, the Architect caused the fifth blight.

Probably.

Who made the Architect?

The Grey Wardens present in the Deep Roads when Bethany or Carver get the Taint, apparently coincidentally, and again when the Qunari attack Kirkwall, though then claiming to have urgent business to attend to, are yet more food for thought. Darkspawn out and about again? That is pretty wild speculation, however.

Modifié par Thurgret, 15 mars 2011 - 02:36 .

[TexasToast712]

II That Burn In Ya Ass II wrote...

Fen'harel=Flemeth

They do kinda match but then if she is the dread wolf what does that make morrigan?

The Dread Puppy.

[TexasToast712]

Thurgret wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

That would make sense

I would also suspect she was the one who caused the whole Blight thing.

No, the Architect caused the fifth blight.

Probably.

Who made the Architect?

A Broodmother.

[WhiteKnyght]

TexasToast712 wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

That would make sense

I would also suspect she was the one who caused the whole Blight thing.

No, the Architect caused the fifth blight.

Not what I meant. The Architect only caused the Fifth Blight, I mean that I suspect Flemeth is the one responsible for the existence of the darkspawn in the first place.

She might have been the one who invaded the Golden City and tainted it. If its even a city. You get a close up view in Awakening and it looks like a giant mountain, not a castle.

[UltiPup]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

The fact that Merril shows a bit of respect for Flemeth proves it to me that she cannot be the Dread Wolf. When Merril tells the story of the Dread Wolf, it sounds like something all the Dalish are wary of or fear. She did not fear Flemeth. Whatever Flemeth is, is more spectacular than we could imagine.

Are you kidding me? She didn't fear Flemeth? *blink*

Is this the same Merril who tells you how lucky you were because almost anyone who talks with Flemeth ends up in pieces hanging from the trees? If this is based on a better understanding of Flemeth (and the Dalish certainly seem to have that), then it makes Flemeth's rather polite dealings with you and the Warder even more suspicious really. It really struck home how unique you and the Warden really were.

I assure you, Merril was quaking in her boots when meeting whatever she thinks Flemeth really is. It's a testement to her training as Keeper that she didn't pee in fright really, considering her personality. 

I'm hoping at some point we see the real Flemeth personality, as I'm 100% confident the ones she shown us, the player, are all ruses. I imagine it will be both terrifying and magnificent. 

You can still respect a person and realize they could kill you with a glance. I see no real connection between Flemeth and the Dread Wolf than the Dalish. If the Dalish knew she was the Dread Wolf, then why would they allow her to be resurrected?

What about all the happenings in Origins? Taking the bodies of women to keep young? The fact that she admits some sort of demon gave her this? Her dragonness? There are too many questions and not enough lead ins. Flemeth is more wonderful than just Dalish legend.

[TexasToast712]

The Grey Nayr wrote...
You get a close up view in Awakening and it looks like a giant mountain, not a castle.

What? When?!

[NRO TYN]

You know what maby she is the dread wolf?!

I mean like it could be true

A) They dont realy say if Fen'harel was Killed or imprison.

and When Morrigan mentions that Flemeth was married to that bard Olsen she said she summoned something powerful to get revenge.

[TexasToast712]

UltiPup wrote...
 Her dragonness?

Its just her shapeshifting abilities like Morrigan has. Morrigan says a shapeshifter can become any animal given the time and ability to properly study it, oh and not get eaten by it. Flemeth must have had a pet Dragon at some point. LOL

[Celies]

Thurgret wrote...

Then Sandal. Hah. Oh dear. Sandal. Bodahn fails to mention if they found dead darkspawn when they found Sandal. Then he's hanging round Fort Drakon with a bunch of dead darkspawn all around when the Warden and co. pass through. In the Deep Roads during DA 2, there's that frozen ogre. Then there's a bunch more dead stuff and a dead Pride Demon towards the end game, all where Sandal's hanging out. Sandal's an anomaly with a knack for tagging along with 'significant' people. I assumed the dead darkspawn in Origins were just for a laugh, but it just keeps on going in DA 2, so I've revised that particular opinion some. No clue what Sandal really is, though. Why did he not just waste the darkspawn attacking him and Bodahn on the highway near Lothering? Actually, not even going to speculate on that.

Wasn't Bodahn and Sandal going to Orlais at the end of DA2? :innocent:

[Werrf]

All three religions, Chantry, Tevinter and Dalish, tell a similar story, of powerful beings (Fade spirits, Old Gods, Creators) being locked away by another deity. I'd say Flemeth IS that deity - she is Fen'harel, the Maker, AND a Tevinter Old God, and each groups view of the story has turned into a slightly different mythology. The truth is probably a fourth tale that will not directly contradict any of the others, but will add something new that ties them all together - and that Flemeth is at the heart of it all.

[MCPOWill]

I've been thinking that Flemeth is a freed old god, and the reason she wanted Morrigan to have the god baby was to free her brethren. Morrigan even says that the ritual was a means to end. Flemeth although is pretty hard to read, but i believe this to be the case. It would also make since for the Hero of Ferelden for this reason.

Edit: Also the Warden can with Morrigan, which I forgot, that is about the time Act 2 is rolling around mind you. And if she/he didn't go well the Warden still disappears. I suppose the Warden can also be dead after making the US which would explain his/her disappearance :innocent: 
BTW is it possible to load up a US character with a Awakening Warden from Orlais. If so do they look for him/her b/c its entirely possible for the Warden-Commander to pick up where the Hero of Ferelden left off.

Its all very intriguing what DA II sets up rather then resolves at the end. I hope DA 3 has you playing between Hawke and the HoF switching between the two. That would just be interesting design wise as it would be story wise 

Modifié par MCPOWill, 15 mars 2011 - 03:15 .

[WhiteKnyght]

TexasToast712 wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...
You get a close up view in Awakening and it looks like a giant mountain, not a castle.

What? When?!

In the Blackmarsh Undying, its across the lake behind the old mansion. Its like that part of the fade is right at the foot of it.

Really, am I the only one who noticed this? You can see the Black City anywhere in the fade so people should be able to tell the shape. lol