24 réponses à ce sujet

[metalcraze33]

I understand the whole wanting to be free thing but why can't she go back to ferelden instead of putting Hawke and their mom at risk?
I mean he would never have a real life looking over his shoulder and the Templar's could kill him and the mom for harboring her.

[Nyaore]

You could say the same thing of Hawke if you rolled a mage for any particular play through.

[TJPags]

Actually, she seems to be okay with going into the Circle.

She expressed during Act 1 that she wonders if she should have gone in there.

The letter she writes after going into the Circle makes it sound like she's happy.

It may have been selfish for Papa Hawke to have kept her out. After all, did she have a choice?

[Shadowrun1177]

It can also be said that the family is really loving if they are willing to risk their lives to protect Bethany from being taken by tempalrs.

Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 15 mars 2011 - 01:03 .

[CruserBoii]

Pretty sure it was the whole family's decision to hide her. Since their dad, and possibly Hawke were also apostates.

[KenKenpachi]

Nyaore wrote...

You could say the same thing of Hawke if you rolled a mage for any particular play through.

Then clearly the answer is obvious.

All of the Hawkes are selfish bastards Even Tony.

[metalcraze33]

Yes that's true I was thinking on my mage Hawke playthrough He should leave because In my origins import the Ferelden circle got to govern itself.

[TJPags]

CruserBoii wrote...

Pretty sure it was the whole family's decision to hide her. Since their dad, and possibly Hawke were also apostates.

Well, how much impact do you suppose a, say, 6 year old Bethany would have in that decision?  How are do children show mage abilities?

Do you really let children have a say in decisions like this?  I'd say not.

[Vandicus]

Put them at risk? When have even the most crazy of templars killed family members of apostates and even blood mages just because they were family? I don't see how Bethany's presence threatens her family.

Unless you're referring to the possibility of her being possessed by a demon, in which case the presumption is that all mages who dare to leave the Circle are selfish, which is more of a purely opinion based debate.

[metalcraze33]

But she isn't a child anymore.

[rwscissors702]

Bethany: (paraphrasing) Maybe I should have gone to the Circle like our cousins, I might have been the hero of Fereldin.

[Nathan Redgrave]

She's conflicted on this point, but "going back to Ferelden" isn't as simple as just saying it. Joining the local Circle would be a fairly daunting prospect, too, since even before the expedition it was in overly strict Templar jurisdiction. This said, Bethany's desire to stay with her family--as much for her mother's emotional happiness as her own, would be a pretty strong counter, and she does fear becoming a Tranquil as much as any mage (if you're a non-mage Hawke and tell Anders to kill his friend, Hawke says that his sister regards Tranquility as a fate worse than death). She could leave her family, of course, but it's been her family watching out for her since she was a kid. Between that and her desire to be with them, it's understandable that she stuck with them.

[cglasgow]

Also, even without Bethany, Papa Hawke would still mean the family had to keep running from templars unless they wanted to try and live without their primary breadwinner (and while the younger kids were still not tall enough to bring in a living, too). So its really only Bethany's decision in the past several years.

And that's assuming you didn't have Mage Hawke as well.

Besides, while the Ferelden Circle is goddamn Club Med compared to the Kirkwall Circle, you'll notice that that the Hawke family spent the past 25 years in Ferelden and never felt any major urge to check themselves in there despite the chance to chill with cool dudes like Greagoir and Irving.   Apparently they are a very Firefly-esque 'Don't take the sky from me' type of bunch.

Modifié par cglasgow, 15 mars 2011 - 01:15 .

[Z-Dragon]

metalcraze33 wrote...

Yes that's true I was thinking on my mage Hawke playthrough He should leave because In my origins import the Ferelden circle got to govern itself.

No they didn't, from what the devs said the Ruler went to the circle and it went something like this
Ruler: "Let the mages govern themselves."
Chantry: "Ummmmm...."
Chantry: "....No"
Chantry: "Bye now."
Ruler: "Damn."

[Dave of Canada]

Z-Dragon wrote...

metalcraze33 wrote...

Yes that's true I was thinking on my mage Hawke playthrough He should leave because In my origins import the Ferelden circle got to govern itself.

No they didn't, from what the devs said the Ruler went to the circle and it went something like this
Ruler: "Let the mages govern themselves."
Chantry: "Ummmmm...."
Chantry: "....No"
Chantry: "Bye now."
Ruler: "Damn."

But it didn't stop there. I can't tell if it's every Alistair but in my pro-mage Amell Warden, Alistair argued with Meredith because he was protecting mages coming into Ferelden.

[TJPags]

rwscissors702 wrote...

Bethany: (paraphrasing) Maybe I should have gone to the Circle like our cousins, I might have been the hero of Fereldin.

Exactly.

She indicated she thinks maybe she should have gone . . .but also would feel bad doing it after what everyone else gave up for her.

So, again I say - maybe it was Papa Hawke who was selfish.

[Nathan Redgrave]

cglasgow wrote...

Besides, while the Ferelden Circle is goddamn Club Med compared to the Kirkwall Circle, you'll notice that that the Hawke family spent the past 25 years in Ferelden and never felt any major urge to check themselves in there despite the chance to chill with cool dudes like Greagoir and Irving.   Apparently they are a very Firefly-esque 'Don't take the sky from me' type of bunch.

Well, they didn't know about said cool dudes, and from what I could tell, they seemed to have a pretty happy (if slightly paranoid) life going for them in Lothering.

EDIT: Desire for personal freedom, selfish?! Perish the thought, child! There's nothing selfish at all. Nope. Not. At. All.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 15 mars 2011 - 01:21 .

[cglasgow]

Exactly! They are free spirits... even Bethany only occasionally felt the urge to turn herself in, and that was more because of a 'My family is giving up so much!' thing than it was a 'I love templars! Hit me again!' thing.

Nothing wrong with Chaotic Good.

Modifié par cglasgow, 15 mars 2011 - 01:26 .

[Lady Niltiak]

 She's 18. A lot of 18 year olds are selfish. I know I was a terror at that age in my selfishness.



On a side note:

If you have Carver as your surviving sibling, he selfishly broods and hates everything your Hawke does. (He doesn't even want to help your mother with the will!) Just like my 18 year old baby brother. 


Then again, maybe I just relate a little too well? 

Do not mind me; I lost myself somewhere.

[Zalocx]

metalcraze33 wrote...

I understand the whole wanting to be free thing but why can't she go back to ferelden instead of putting Hawke and their mom at risk?
I mean he would never have a real life looking over his shoulder and the Templar's could kill him and the mom for harboring her.

Replace Hawke with Carver and Bethany with MageHawke and people should see why he broods that much

[metalcraze33]

In my game in dragon age 2 if you ask the bartender for rumors he says the circle in ferelden is being allowed to govern itself so when did the chantry make them say no?

[ashwind]

If Bethany is "remarkably selfish" Morrigan must be the goddess and embodiment of selfishness.

[Steel Hurtin]

If she'd of been sent to the Circle as a child, there's a decent chance that she'd of become an abomination and thusly killed by the Warden on his traipse through the Ferelden Circle and the Fade.

[metalcraze33]

She's not selfish for being an aposate she is selfish for putting the burden of hiding her on an aging mother and a brother that could have his own life.
She could go to Tevinter,Riviani or anywhere.
In fact her family could get in trouble for harboring an apostate.

[DanielleTHM]

I didn't think of Bethany as selfish in the slightest, to be honest it didn't even occur to me that her actions could be seen that way.

Carver though...I wouldn't spit on him if he was on fire.