stwu How are they confused?
They enjoy both male and female lovers seems pretty clear to me.
you don't have a right to say someones choice of a lover is invalid because you are only attracted to one gender.
I prefer guys myself but I would so make an exception for a few girls [like Isabela.]
why should I limit myself because you want to be closeminded?
Much respect to Bioware for a mature take on homosexuality in gaming
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#127
Posté 31 mars 2011 - 11:06
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MaRKyzas21 wrote...
I understand that all romances in DA2 was developed to cater for sexual minorities and so on. I think I had a right to know these "improvements" before purchasing the game. Why the game developers didn't say the whole truth about Hawke companions before preordering DA2? In my opinion, it would have been respectable from Bioware to tell the truth in advance, because many people preordered this game. Unfortunately, I was among them. But I really didn't want to pay money for gay and lesbian content. If the game was designed for those who like such things, well, I have nothing against, let these people pleased. However, I don't have to pay money for what is totally unacceptable to me.
There is something wrong in your argument: You can play DA2 and not have any romance in the story. You can choose to have a same sex or straight romance too. So, why Bioware should say about the way how YOU choose to play?
Just do as you wish; Have no problem with that and let others do the same. It's so simple!
Someone don't wan't to play "gay content " is not the case in DA2, properly.
Perhaps it's a kind of homophobia (undisclosed?) and, in this case, I feel sorry for you.
#128
Posté 31 mars 2011 - 11:29
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I dont understand...
First, the game is not advised for children. BTW, where is the problem children sees gay romance?
They dont see str8 romance? If yes and that is ok, gay romance must be ok too! I believe we'll have a world without homophobia if we could change the world by now (so, start now!)
Children will see gay and str8 people... They coexist; They're different, but they are (both) normal.
(Sorry about my bad-bad english. I'm a brazilian guy; I speak french and, obviously, portuguese lng)
First, the game is not advised for children. BTW, where is the problem children sees gay romance?
They dont see str8 romance? If yes and that is ok, gay romance must be ok too! I believe we'll have a world without homophobia if we could change the world by now (so, start now!)
Children will see gay and str8 people... They coexist; They're different, but they are (both) normal.
(Sorry about my bad-bad english. I'm a brazilian guy; I speak french and, obviously, portuguese lng)
#129
Posté 01 avril 2011 - 01:31
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Actually, Anders is very gay. You see this in the womanly reactions he has to his friend and to things which upset him.
I suppose the implementation was tasteful as far as the homosexuality being mostly ignorable. Although on the other hand, this is not how gays often are in real life.
I suppose the implementation was tasteful as far as the homosexuality being mostly ignorable. Although on the other hand, this is not how gays often are in real life.
#130
Posté 01 avril 2011 - 01:42
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Peer of the Empire wrote...
Actually, Anders is very gay. You see this in the womanly reactions he has to his friend and to things which upset him.
I suppose the implementation was tasteful as far as the homosexuality being mostly ignorable. Although on the other hand, this is not how gays often are in real life.
I'm not really sure what you mean by "womanly" reaction. He flipped out when his friend died and killed a bunch of templars. Yes, that seems so very "womanly" to me. lol! He was completely straight to me when I played as a ladyHawke, and I doubt his reactions to events in that version are any different if you play a dudeHawke. What exactly constitutes a "womanly" reaction? Showing emotion? I is confused.
#131
Posté 01 avril 2011 - 02:14
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BlueElf2 wrote...
Peer of the Empire wrote...
Actually, Anders is very gay. You see this in the womanly reactions he has to his friend and to things which upset him.
I suppose the implementation was tasteful as far as the homosexuality being mostly ignorable. Although on the other hand, this is not how gays often are in real life.
I'm not really sure what you mean by "womanly" reaction. He flipped out when his friend died and killed a bunch of templars. Yes, that seems so very "womanly" to me. lol! He was completely straight to me when I played as a ladyHawke, and I doubt his reactions to events in that version are any different if you play a dudeHawke. What exactly constitutes a "womanly" reaction? Showing emotion? I is confused.
It's perfectly natural to flip out. But it was awkwardly clear they were lovers, and that he didn't have a manly mind.
His manner in other rages suggest he has the attitude of a loser, or a woman. This is not demeaning to women; on the contrary, it is what sets the sexes apart that make us attractive to each other. When the parties in question are heterosexual of course.
Women want to feel your masculine power, boys!
#132
Posté 01 avril 2011 - 02:25
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Peer of the Empire wrote...
Actually, Anders is very gay. You see this in the womanly reactions he has to his friend and to things which upset him.
I suppose the implementation was tasteful as far as the homosexuality being mostly ignorable. Although on the other hand, this is not how gays often are in real life.
Distress isn't restricted to women, you know. He saw his lover literally being made into an emotionless husk, how else is he going to react? Stare at him and laugh when his heart is actually bleeding? It's a human thing to express emotions.
#133
Posté 01 avril 2011 - 02:37
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Well Anders is very prissy. He was in Awakenings as well to be honest. Sketch and Finn were also all pretty much not mountains of Masculinity. Anders does get angry and defensive at the drop of a hat it feels in some conversations. That sort of off the handle anger combined with being prissy does come across as being more female to some guys. So I can see it. Truth be told I'm sure his romances have some compelling story, I just never can get myself to do it cause of how he betrayed my Hawke in my first game.
But I also see Izzy as a Liar that makes it hard for me to romance her. I've done it cause she is light hearted. Anders is too broody to also be a liar and catty all at the same time.
But I also see Izzy as a Liar that makes it hard for me to romance her. I've done it cause she is light hearted. Anders is too broody to also be a liar and catty all at the same time.
#134
Posté 01 avril 2011 - 02:41
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I'm going to assume that you're either joking and/or you have no idea how offensive this sounds.Peer of the Empire wrote...
It's perfectly natural to flip out. But it was awkwardly clear they were lovers, and that he didn't have a manly mind.
His manner in other rages suggest he has the attitude of a loser, or a woman. This is not demeaning to women; on the contrary, it is what sets the sexes apart that make us attractive to each other. When the parties in question are heterosexual of course.
Women want to feel your masculine power, boys!
#135
Posté 01 avril 2011 - 02:59
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Addai67 wrote...
I'm going to assume that you're either joking and/or you have no idea how offensive this sounds.Peer of the Empire wrote...
It's perfectly natural to flip out. But it was awkwardly clear they were lovers, and that he didn't have a manly mind.
His manner in other rages suggest he has the attitude of a loser, or a woman. This is not demeaning to women; on the contrary, it is what sets the sexes apart that make us attractive to each other. When the parties in question are heterosexual of course.
Women want to feel your masculine power, boys!
Not my fault he is what he is
#137
Posté 01 avril 2011 - 01:35
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Peer of the Empire wrote...
It's perfectly natural to flip out. But it was awkwardly clear they were lovers, and that he didn't have a manly mind.
His manner in other rages suggest he has the attitude of a loser, or a woman. This is not demeaning to women; on the contrary, it is what sets the sexes apart that make us attractive to each other. When the parties in question are heterosexual of course.
Women want to feel your masculine power, boys!
Just a small question: how much of women are you?
#138
Posté 01 avril 2011 - 01:58
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Peer of the Empire wrote...
It's perfectly natural to flip out. But it was awkwardly clear they were lovers, and that he didn't have a manly mind.
His manner in other rages suggest he has the attitude of a loser, or a woman. This is not demeaning to women; on the contrary, it is what sets the sexes apart that make us attractive to each other. When the parties in question are heterosexual of course.
Women want to feel your masculine power, boys!
"Hey, I'm not a racist...but I know a really good racist joke...!"
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You equate Anders with "womanliness" and being a "loser" because you cling to your concept of "manliness" as if it were better than other human attributes. Do tell as to why you think so? And even there, your view of manly vs loser was warped. Gamlen = loser. Quite common, though, to see disparagements coming from people like you trying to diminish and isolate a personality who poses a real threat to your possessive notions of the world.
Modifié par Eromenos, 01 avril 2011 - 01:59 .
#139
Posté 01 avril 2011 - 04:30
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Would you people please let this thread burn already.
#140
Posté 01 avril 2011 - 06:53
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Peer of the Empire wrote...
It's perfectly natural to flip out. But it was awkwardly clear they were lovers, and that he didn't have a manly mind.
His manner in other rages suggest he has the attitude of a loser, or a woman. This is not demeaning to women; on the contrary, it is what sets the sexes apart that make us attractive to each other. When the parties in question are heterosexual of course.
Women want to feel your masculine power, boys!
So you are attracted to losers then, since you think that's what women are? Or at least how we act?
Not sure what you mean by masculine power, but if it's anything like your boorish behavior, it does not attract me, just makes me want to hurl. True masculine strength is not about seeing others as weak.
#141
Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:16
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CatOfEvilGenius wrote...
Peer of the Empire wrote...
It's perfectly natural to flip out. But it was awkwardly clear they were lovers, and that he didn't have a manly mind.
His manner in other rages suggest he has the attitude of a loser, or a woman. This is not demeaning to women; on the contrary, it is what sets the sexes apart that make us attractive to each other. When the parties in question are heterosexual of course.
Women want to feel your masculine power, boys!
So you are attracted to losers then, since you think that's what women are? Or at least how we act?
Not sure what you mean by masculine power, but if it's anything like your boorish behavior, it does not attract me, just makes me want to hurl. True masculine strength is not about seeing others as weak.
Yes, that response just made me more confused. You're equating women to losers? And then turning around and saying it's good for women to be losers? Wut? <_<
I have no idea what you mean by "masculine power," but I get the impression I don't want any. I think I'd rather have the "womanly" minded men like Anders, who seems plenty manly to me.
Also, it's not necessarily "obvious" Anders and Karl are lovers. I know I didn't view it that way when playing through as my ladyHawke. For all intents and purposes, if you play as a female, they're not, or if they are, it's never brought up. You could view it either way you please, which I think was Bioware's intent. I don't know about you, but I could see myself being just as upset over something that dramatic happening to a friend, but since I'm a woman, I guess that's different to you or something?
#142
Posté 02 avril 2011 - 04:53
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Whew, reading through threads like this sometimes makes my head spin. I think most people ought to keep in mind that many things in life are totally subjective...
In any case, all human beings ( and elves, of course ) are sexual creatures by nature--even if you are asexual, it is not impossible to register someone as attractive or unattractive. On the matter of all characters being bisexual, it helps to remember that female and male Hawke are still essentially the same person. Things might have gone differently if players were restricted to a preset gender, but they are not. To borrow the term "Hawkesexual," as Shephard Lives put it, the characters are reacting first to Hawke and second to Hawke's gender--the interaction between Hawke and his/her potential love interest is still fundamentally the same. That the characters engage in a courtship or further it with the player at all is a reflection of how they feel about Hawke ( this is disregarding Sebastian, though I've not had the pleasure...or displeasure of meeting him). So no, it is not that the NPCs are bisexual, homosexual or heterosexual, it is their interest in Hawke lies with Hawke as a person.
The reason I follow Bioware's games, Dragon Age in particular, is because they are more open-minded about sexuality than most game developers care to stomach. Many are not ready to take that step yet, as is a majority of the rest of the human population. If there was definite profit to be made in making a homoerotic videogame, I can most certainly assure you that that is where game companies would be. Bioware addresses homosexuality, but does not openly promote it; this is the neutral ground because the matter of romance in videogames can effect who buys and who does not, as evident in this thread. It is not the best representation, as Eromenos said, but it is the best they can do under their given circumstances so I applaud them for their efforts.
Bioware will never be able to please everyone, but that does not mean they should blatantly neglect parts of their fanbase just so a handful of players can be happy about a minor content detail. Be happy with the game as a whole product, not because a single aspect of it does not agree with you. "Too much" or "too little" of something does not have to keep you from enjoying the videogame... Assuming the reason you bought Dragon Age 2 was because you wanted to hack and slash at monsters, not bereave yourself over one person you didn't want hitting on you. I know I don't like everything about DA:2, but that doesn't mean I have to let it ruin my experience of the rest of the game.
In any case, all human beings ( and elves, of course ) are sexual creatures by nature--even if you are asexual, it is not impossible to register someone as attractive or unattractive. On the matter of all characters being bisexual, it helps to remember that female and male Hawke are still essentially the same person. Things might have gone differently if players were restricted to a preset gender, but they are not. To borrow the term "Hawkesexual," as Shephard Lives put it, the characters are reacting first to Hawke and second to Hawke's gender--the interaction between Hawke and his/her potential love interest is still fundamentally the same. That the characters engage in a courtship or further it with the player at all is a reflection of how they feel about Hawke ( this is disregarding Sebastian, though I've not had the pleasure...or displeasure of meeting him). So no, it is not that the NPCs are bisexual, homosexual or heterosexual, it is their interest in Hawke lies with Hawke as a person.
The reason I follow Bioware's games, Dragon Age in particular, is because they are more open-minded about sexuality than most game developers care to stomach. Many are not ready to take that step yet, as is a majority of the rest of the human population. If there was definite profit to be made in making a homoerotic videogame, I can most certainly assure you that that is where game companies would be. Bioware addresses homosexuality, but does not openly promote it; this is the neutral ground because the matter of romance in videogames can effect who buys and who does not, as evident in this thread. It is not the best representation, as Eromenos said, but it is the best they can do under their given circumstances so I applaud them for their efforts.
Bioware will never be able to please everyone, but that does not mean they should blatantly neglect parts of their fanbase just so a handful of players can be happy about a minor content detail. Be happy with the game as a whole product, not because a single aspect of it does not agree with you. "Too much" or "too little" of something does not have to keep you from enjoying the videogame... Assuming the reason you bought Dragon Age 2 was because you wanted to hack and slash at monsters, not bereave yourself over one person you didn't want hitting on you. I know I don't like everything about DA:2, but that doesn't mean I have to let it ruin my experience of the rest of the game.
