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[StargeezerTim]

OK, I know up-front this is an old and oft-repeated complaint.  But I'm going to make it anyway, because after all this time, it's STILL crap!  Why do I need to keep my DVD in the drive to play the game?  I've never liked using the original media for anything except installing the game.  Legitimate customers drop anywhere from $50-$65 US for a title, and are then treated like criminals because they would like to play the game they just paid for without the DVD ROM occasionally spinning up.

What makes it yet more of a steaming pile is that you can buy the digital download version and not be required to have a disc in place (indeed, there's no disc to have in place...the content is all downloaded!)  Why can't publishers just verify that we've installed a legitimate copy when we register the game and have the installation "unlock" after the first verification?

I can see the need to perhaps continue this on consoles where you can rent the games out to muliple customers, but generally PC games are purchased by the individuals who intend to play them.  Can you please reconsider abandoning this archaic method of "security", and allow owners to unlock their game so they're not hassled by the annoying little pop-up reminding us to place the disc in the drive?  Hell, I'll even pay ya extra just for the effort if it would mean I could leave my disc in the box!

[shreddog]

I agree totally! I've already gotten a scratch on my dvd after it fell on the floor when opening the box. Also I have an external DVD that I rarely have switched on, so it's kind of a hassle to have to turn the thing on just to start the game.

[Yadasunda]

Completely agree. There were cracked copies available on the internet before the game was in the stores. I would like to read the rationale for the disk requirement also.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Moving my CD from the case to the drive strained my wrist and now I can't type well. Since I can't type well I have lost my job. Curse you EA, curse you for making me do simple tasks!

[Wyllowe]

Retail DVDs are very expensive to replace, I would like to see DO release a 'No DVD' patch like was done with The Witcher Enhanced Edition. When we pay extra because we want a 'Collector's Edition', then it stands to reason we want to keep our game in mint or near mint condition.

[shreddog]

Couldn't they make a system that if you'r 'Logged In' (with proper cdkey) you don't need the disc.

[Syvere]

I don't see what the problem is keeping the dvd in the drive. Game DRM has worked like this for about ten years now ever since CDs and it's MUCH better than internet activation/limited activations DRM. This way you can play it whenever you want. Even ten years or fifty years from now when those activation servers would be offline. Just get a nocd exe if keeping the dvd in drive is too much for you.

[shreddog]

eisberg77 wrote...
There would be a huge back lash if people were forced to be logged in to play a single player game.

No not force, choose. Those who can't/won't log in could still use the cd

[kroosaydur]

if the game requires a cd key to play and you have to have a valid cd key to register and get patches and the toolset ect then i see no reason why the disc should be required to play the game

[gotthammer]

Wyllowe wrote...

Retail DVDs are very expensive to replace, I would like to see DO release a 'No DVD' patch like was done with The Witcher Enhanced Edition. When we pay extra because we want a 'Collector's Edition', then it stands to reason we want to keep our game in mint or near mint condition.

This I agree w/ wholeheartedly. I also hope that DA:O gets the Witcher: EE 'treatment' (more stuff to play w/ + bonuses)

That and I don't see much point in bothering w/ DRM or disc checks anymore, since both could be bypassed one way or another. If people want to pirate a game, they'll find a way. As a paying customer, I'd prefer less hassle.

[Avispex]

This has been brought up a few times. There is a legal, 5 step process to get rid of the disc check.

Step 1. Go to the EA site and download the EA Download Manager.

Step 2. Uninstall Dragon Age Origins from your hard drive. Preserve your save games and settings using that option in the uninstaller.

Step 3. Register your game with the EA Download Managar using the same code initially used to install from disc. The game will then be able to be downloaded and installed as a digital copy. Goodbye disc check.

Step 4. Once installed, activate using the EA Download Manager. You just have to log in.

Step 5. Using the in game "Downloadable Content" option from the main game title screen, restore your DLC.

Now you are good to go and you don't have to worry about the disc check anymore. It is very, very convenient.

The only downside is the huge download, but just start it up before bed or on yoru way to work and it should be ready the next time you want to play.

Modifié par Avispex, 16 novembre 2009 - 09:28 .

[EricHVela]

There's an EA-valid workaround to the DVD-check option. Choose to use it or not, but don't expect a NoDVD patch if you have another option already and simply don't want to put in the one-time effort for it. Of course, you'll have to validate over the Internet to play, but then again, you already have to do that for the add-ins.

[MortalFoil]

Totally agree. I paid money for this game. The disc check is ridiculous. And in order to get around it I have to complete a cumbersome process involving yet more DRM and more time that I would rather spend actually playing the game? No thanks.



You know what? Pirates don't have to deal with any of this. AND they save the $55 while still enjoying the game. What is the incentive for me to make a legal purchase next time?

[MortalFoil]

eisberg77 wrote...

Yadasunda wrote...

Completely agree. There were cracked copies available on the internet before the game was in the stores. I would like to read the rationale for the disk requirement also.

I just gave the rationale.  I'll explain more though.  Basically Disc check prevent people from sharing 1 game with their friends and family, installing it on more then 1 computer and being able to play it at the same time.  Most people are not even aware of certian cracks and software to bypass this.  This thread even shows that people don't even know about is, otherwise why come here and complain about it when you can you just use a crack to get rid of the DVD check.

What you guys are asking for is for EA to bring back DRM, which they got a huge backlash for from customers.

Um, dude? The game was available for free download the day after release (iirc). It doesn't matter what EA does or does not do, DRM or no. All that needs to happen is for ONE copy to get cracked. And they will always get cracked. So, putting these asinine measures on games that inconvience everyone BUT the actual pirates is just stupid.
They are making their product worse for the people that actually pay
for the game, but aren't doing anything to prevent piracy. So what's
the sense of doing it at all?

And you seriously underestimate the amount of PC users that don't know about cracks. However, maybe, just maybe, we are here in this thread because we want a legitimate solution, not a hacked one. After all, we took the time to buy the game didn't we? As paying customers, why do we have to deal with this. We already paid.

[EricHVela]

MortalFoil wrote...

Totally agree. I paid money for this game. The disc check is ridiculous. And in order to get around it I have to complete a cumbersome process involving yet more DRM and more time that I would rather spend actually playing the game? No thanks.

You know what? Pirates don't have to deal with any of this. AND they save the $55 while still enjoying the game. What is the incentive for me to make a legal purchase next time?

Your choice. Every choice has a consequence, whether good or bad, whether expected or not.

You don't pay for a driver's license and then drive all over the road while stoned out your mind legally. Right? You don't pay for a book and scribble a new story all over it. Right? You don't buy a chess set and insist eveyrone play it like dominos.

(Or maybe you do.)

No. You paid for a privilege that has stipulations.

[MortalFoil]

eisberg77 wrote...

Honesty, integrity, being a good person rather then being a piece of trash?

Yeah, sure, I can take that all the way to the bank. Trash or no, the pirates get a better product than we do, AND they don't pay for it. That's backwards any way you look at. You'd have to be a corporate shill not to realize it. Face it, you may get off on that fuzzy feeling, and I do to an extent as well (it's why I bought the game after all), many people don't care about that. Intead of these lame attempts to fight that inclination, EA needs to learn how to make it work for them, not against them. All this move really does it make the game worse (though in a very minor way) for those who purchase the game legitmately. How does this help anything?

Modifié par MortalFoil, 16 novembre 2009 - 09:51 .

[MortalFoil]

ReggarBlane wrote...

MortalFoil wrote...

Totally agree. I paid money for this game. The disc check is ridiculous. And in order to get around it I have to complete a cumbersome process involving yet more DRM and more time that I would rather spend actually playing the game? No thanks.

You know what? Pirates don't have to deal with any of this. AND they save the $55 while still enjoying the game. What is the incentive for me to make a legal purchase next time?

Your choice. Every choice has a consequence, whether good or bad, whether expected or not.

You don't pay for a driver's license and then drive all over the road while stoned out your mind legally. Right? You don't pay for a book and scribble a new story all over it. Right? You don't buy a chess set and insist eveyrone play it like dominos.

(Or maybe you do.)

No. You paid for a privilege that has stipulations.

Yes, and because I wanted to support this game and it's developers I paid for this game. I don't need anyone questioning my moral integrity. I am commenting on the business side of things. This no-cd issue is an examply of why game companies are losing the "pirate" war. It's because they are putting out an inferior product compared to what you can get for free. And until they realize that only by making their product better than what you can pirate they will continue to lose sales. Right now they don't even meet status quo.

And that's bad for all of us. I want Bioware/EA to suceed so they can continue to put out quality games. But when I see things like this (and more recently the whole MW2 fiasco) I can't just sit back while our game companies shoot themselves in the foot.

[Wyllowe]

Avispex wrote...

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Now you are good to go and you don't have to worry about the disc check anymore. It is very, very convenient.

The only downside is the huge download, but just start it up before bed or on yoru way to work and it should be ready the next time you want to play.

 In rural areas (EXAMPLE: where I live) many people are still on DialUp internet, satellite internet or wireless broadband. All of these have very low limits on the amount of bandwidth you can use in a given 30 day period. With a 5 GB monthly cap (satellite & wireless), downloading this is not a very attractive option. With a DialUp connection it borders upon insanity.

[superhpman]

Internets exploded when EA puts limits on how many times you can install a game.
Internets exploded when EA scales back on the DRM method used...
EA can't win for losing...
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I am pretty confident in saying that DA:O will not get an official noDVD patch for some time. Like it or not, EA has to do what they feel they need to do in order protect their investment.
A new release like this? I wouldn't see one for at least 2 years.
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MortalFoil wrote...
You know what? Pirates don't have to deal with any of this. AND they save the $55 while still enjoying the game. What is the incentive for me to make a legal purchase next time?

The DLC?
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In a round about way, I just defended EA... Now I feel dirty...

Modifié par superhpman, 16 novembre 2009 - 09:52 .