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[Wyllowe]

eisberg77 wrote...

Honesty, integrity, being a good person rather then being a piece of trash?

 Some folks purchase software and even after the purchase look to the outlaws for justice in seeing software performs as it should.
 Yes... in real life, even rogues are sometimes needed to see justice served.

[MortalFoil]

superhpman wrote...

Internets exploded when EA puts limits on how many times you can install a game.
Internets exploded when EA scales back on the DRM method used...
EA can't win for losing...
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I am pretty confident in saying that DA:O will not get an official noDVD patch for some time. Like it or not, EA has to do what they feel they need to do in order protect their investment.
A new release like this? I wouldn't see one for at least 2 years.
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MortalFoil wrote...
You know what? Pirates don't have to deal with any of this. AND they save the $55 while still enjoying the game. What is the incentive for me to make a legal purchase next time?

The DLC?
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In a round about way, I just defended EA... Now I feel dirty...

The DLC has already been cracked. A quick Google search will get you all you want. Like I said, DRM doesn't do anything. It doesn't hinder piracy, but it does hinder a legitimate customer's enjoyment of the game.

[Osprey39]

MortalFoil wrote...

Totally agree. I paid money for this game. The disc check is ridiculous. And in order to get around it I have to complete a cumbersome process involving yet more DRM and more time that I would rather spend actually playing the game? No thanks.

You know what? Pirates don't have to deal with any of this. AND they save the $55 while still enjoying the game. What is the incentive for me to make a legal purchase next time?

Let me give you one good one.  Do you want to continue to play games like this on your PC?  If so, buy the game.  Yeah, it sucks that you and I have to foot the bill for the scumbag freeloaders but if we all stop paying guess what will happen?  If you guessed that game developers will finally say 'screw it' and stop developing games for the PC, you are correct.

The best thing you can do to help fight piracy is to turn them in to the software companies.  Whenever I come across a link to a hacked/cracked piece of software, I copy the link and paste it into an email then I explain what the link is to and send it to the software company that it involves.  Let them take care of it. 

It's not uncommon for people to post links to this stuff in guild forums and what not.  It's usually teenagers and college students that don't have any money that proliferate this stuff.  Turning them in is kind of like pissing on a forest fire in terms of effectiveness but it's something.  I hate thieves and anybody that has ever had anything stolen from them I'm sure feels the same way.  Software piracy is thievery as far as I'm concerned and the way I see it, they aren't just stealing from the software companies.  They are also stealing from me because I have to pay more for the software to offset the lost sales due to piracy.  I don't feel bad at all about turning them in, quite the opposite in fact.

[Chromie]

Wyllowe wrote...

Retail DVDs are very expensive to replace, I would like to see DO release a 'No DVD' patch like was done with The Witcher Enhanced Edition. When we pay extra because we want a 'Collector's Edition', then it stands to reason we want to keep our game in mint or near mint condition.

Me to but The Witcher also fixed ALOT of bugs...I'd enjoy that more

[Ibian]

It's interesting how anti-pirates always seem to think they are standing on higher moral ground than the rest of us plebes.

Not every pirated game is a lost sale. Not every sale would have happened without piracy. The only ones who suffer are the legit customers and DRM is a mere placebo for nervous balding CEOs who can't keep up with the times.

Modifié par Ibian, 16 novembre 2009 - 10:16 .

[Ibian]

Flawed premise, for starters. Explain how pirating a game is as bad as robbing a bank or endangering peoples lives and we can proceed from there.

[Phrosen1]

I agree.

My DVD reader makes an awful lot of noise when there's a DVD or CD in it. =(

[pokemaughan]

Invasive DRM, or put in a CD... hmmm....

[Osprey39]

Ibian wrote...

It's interesting how anti-pirates always seem to think they are standing on higher moral ground than the rest of us plebes.

Not every pirated game is a lost sale. Not every sale would have happened without piracy. The only ones who suffer are the legit customers and DRM is a mere placebo for nervous balding CEOs who can't keep up with the times.

If by "the rest of us plebes" you mean software pirates, then yes, I think I'm on infinitely higher moral ground than them.  I don't steal from other people and I don't condone people that do. 

DRM and other software protection does stop piracy...to an extent.  A friend of mine told me something a long time ago.  His car stereo had just got jacked at a concert and I asked him if he left his car unlocked.  He laughed and said, "Yeah, but locks just keep honest men honest."  Some of the truest words I've ever heard.  Theft happens, yeah.  It would happen a lot more though if people made it easy by not protecting their valuables.  If you think software copy protection doesn't do anything at all to curb piracy, you're the naive one, not the game company execs.

[Ibian]

eisberg77 wrote...

Ibian wrote...

Flawed premise, for starters. Explain how pirating a game is as bad as robbing a bank or endangering peoples lives and we can proceed from there.

Either way you are breaking the law.  Also, if you notice I also added pirating movies, and if you ever read the FBI warning at the beginning of a movie, you might understand.

So tell me how pirating a game is any way a moral thing to do?

Minor issue, but you keep trying to seperate cd checks and DRM. A cd check is DRM. With that out of the way,

The ball is still in your court. The immoralcy of a given action usually has something to do with the harm it does. You still have yet to adequately equate bank robbery and piracy. Aand, go.

[Syvere]

I don't know what you are still complaining about. A perfectly good and legal method has already been told to you guys. Just register your game in EA downloader and download the digital version for free.

[Ibian]

Osprey39 wrote...

Ibian wrote...

It's interesting how anti-pirates always seem to think they are standing on higher moral ground than the rest of us plebes.

Not every pirated game is a lost sale. Not every sale would have happened without piracy. The only ones who suffer are the legit customers and DRM is a mere placebo for nervous balding CEOs who can't keep up with the times.

If by "the rest of us plebes" you mean software pirates, then yes, I think I'm on infinitely higher moral ground than them.  I don't steal from other people and I don't condone people that do.

Assumptions, always with the assumptions. It is possible to not be anti-pirate without being a pirate. Also, and this is important: Piracy is not stealing. Stealing is where you remove something from someone and keep it for yourself. Piracy doesn't do this, it copies things.

Osprey39 wrote...
DRM and other software protection does stop piracy...to an extent.  A friend of mine told me something a long time ago.  His car stereo had just got jacked at a concert and I asked him if he left his car unlocked.  He laughed and said, "Yeah, but locks just keep honest men honest."  Some of the truest words I've ever heard.  Theft happens, yeah.  It would happen a lot more though if people made it easy by not protecting their valuables.  If you think software copy protection doesn't do anything at all to curb piracy, you're the naive one, not the game company execs.

See above. Besides that, DRM has turned more than a few people into pirates who otherwise wouldn't be. As others have said, the pirated version of DA is basically a superiour product simply for the lack of CD check, and free. It's a bad business model, basically.

[Syvere]

Ibian wrote...

eisberg77 wrote...

Ibian wrote...

Flawed premise, for starters. Explain how pirating a game is as bad as robbing a bank or endangering peoples lives and we can proceed from there.

Either way you are breaking the law.  Also, if you notice I also added pirating movies, and if you ever read the FBI warning at the beginning of a movie, you might understand.

So tell me how pirating a game is any way a moral thing to do?

Minor issue, but you keep trying to seperate cd checks and DRM. A cd check is DRM. With that out of the way,

The ball is still in your court. The immoralcy of a given action usually has something to do with the harm it does. You still have yet to adequately equate bank robbery and piracy. Aand, go.

Piracy is a theft, and personally I would execute every single pirate on sight. They don't deserve human rights. Just DO NOT try to make piracy "ok", it's not. It's stealing pure and simple. Go somewhere else trying to justify your stealing. Don't come back here.

[Wyllowe]

I spent $65. for the collectors edition of this game and I don't regret it. However I also intend to make sure I don't have to buy another copy, if this one becomes damaged.

That isn't trashy and it isn't dishonest. It's simple common sense. When the law and justice part, then I will choose justice over law.

Just because you outlaw something, that doesn't mean you've made it morally wrong.

[Ibian]

Hmm double post. Curious.

Modifié par Ibian, 16 novembre 2009 - 10:43 .

[Ibian]

Syvere wrote...

Ibian wrote...

eisberg77 wrote...

Ibian wrote...

Flawed premise, for starters. Explain how pirating a game is as bad as robbing a bank or endangering peoples lives and we can proceed from there.

Either way you are breaking the law.  Also, if you notice I also added pirating movies, and if you ever read the FBI warning at the beginning of a movie, you might understand.

So tell me how pirating a game is any way a moral thing to do?

Minor issue, but you keep trying to seperate cd checks and DRM. A cd check is DRM. With that out of the way,

The ball is still in your court. The immoralcy of a given action usually has something to do with the harm it does. You still have yet to adequately equate bank robbery and piracy. Aand, go.

Piracy is a theft, and personally I would execute every single pirate on sight. They don't deserve human rights. Just DO NOT try to make piracy "ok", it's not. It's stealing pure and simple. Go somewhere else trying to justify your stealing. Don't come back here.

You know, when you are ready to kill people over less than a hundred bucks, it might be time to rethink your priorities. Just a thought.

[Syvere]

100% LEGAL AND EA APPROVED METHOD OF ACQUIRING A FREE DIGITAL COPY OF DRAGON AGE. No need for cracks, dvds in drive or anything else:

Just do what avispex said:

Step 1. Go to the EA site and download the EA Download Manager.



Step 2. Uninstall Dragon Age Origins from your hard drive. Preserve your save games and settings using that option in the uninstaller.



Step 3. Register your game with the EA Download Managar using the same code initially used to install from disc. The game will then be able to be downloaded and installed as a digital copy. Goodbye disc check.



Step 4. Once installed, activate using the EA Download Manager. You just have to log in.



Step 5. Using the in game "Downloadable Content" option from the main game title screen, restore your DLC.

[Syvere]

Ibian wrote...
You know, when you are ready to kill people over less than a hundred bucks, it might be time to rethink your priorities. Just a thought.

Pirates are leeches and hardly ever pirate just once. Honestly, there is NOTHING that makes pirating right.

[Ibian]

Sure, but you already got the box. You are basically paying to do what any ol pirate does. It's more work and more expensive. Still a bad business model.

[Osprey39]

Ibian wrote...

Flawed premise, for starters. Explain how pirating a game is as bad as robbing a bank or endangering peoples lives and we can proceed from there.

LOL, flawed premise.  How about this example?  Let's say I go into your house/apartment or whatever and steal your PC.  I guess that's ok in your book because it's not hurting anyone but you? 

Stealing is wrong period and it's illegal for a reason.  Just because you're stealing intellectual property instead of something tangible, that doesn't make it right.  I seriously can't see how anybody can defend software piracy.  If you can't afford the software, tough crap.  Get a job like everyone else.

[Syvere]

Ibian wrote...

Sure, but you already got the box. You are basically paying to do what any ol pirate does. It's more work and more expensive. Still a bad business model.

What part of -free- did you not get? You can register your physical copy with EA Downloader essentially getting a second copy of the game for free.

[Syvere]

Osprey39 wrote...

Ibian wrote...

Flawed premise, for starters. Explain how pirating a game is as bad as robbing a bank or endangering peoples lives and we can proceed from there.

LOL, flawed premise.  How about this example?  Let's say I go into your house/apartment or whatever and steal your PC.  I guess that's ok in your book because it's not hurting anyone but you? 

Stealing is wrong period and it's illegal for a reason.  Just because you're stealing intellectual property instead of something tangible, that doesn't make it right.  I seriously can't see how anybody can defend software piracy.  If you can't afford the software, tough crap.  Get a job like everyone else.

Indeed. Games are NOT a right, they're luxury products.

Modifié par Syvere, 16 novembre 2009 - 10:50 .