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[SupR G]

It's pretty common for gamers to so easily and aggressively turn against a popular developer when something doesn't go their way. You might call them names, hell I can think of a few, but really what's the point. Lemmings come and go.

Honestly, Dragon Age 2 is no innovation, it's really just implementing many of the streamlining changes that Mass Effect 2 improved on it's predecessor. So we can hardly call it revolutionary. But is it an improvement on DA:O? Absolutely. DA:O had a great story, almost too great, and barely left any room at all for a proper sequel. At least Mass Effect was written to be a trilogy.

A story doesn't need to end with the slaying of an Archdemon to be great. Dragon Age 2 isn't about saving the world, it's about Hawke and the events that surrounded his rise to become the Champion. Bioware has spoiled you QQbears into believing the only good story is one that involves some seemingly unstoppable supervillain, and now you can't settle for anything less.

So story aside, Dragon Age 2 redesigned Thedas with far more imagination then it's predecessor. Qunari and Elves have a defined look, Flemeth looks spectacular, armor and clothing looks amazing and more detailed. Companions feels like actual people instead of tools for Hawke to use. They have their own unique armors and you can't force them to be something outside their character. For example, making Wynne into a Blood Mage Arcane Warrior with plate armor in DA:O. It made no sense. Complain about freedom of control all you want, but then don't complain the character's don't add up. You can't have it both ways.

As for stats imbalance, just wait for a patch will you?

The simple fact of the matter here is, there is very little wrong with DA:2. It is a worthy successor, and fixes many of the issues DA:O had. Cherry picking little problems and annoyances, stating obvious changes you knew about for months, and then claiming all the fans hate DA:2 and that it failed is a great way to sound like an ignorant lemming. And before you continue your senseless ranting, keep in mind if they had made DA:O Part 2, there would be just as many, if not more people QQing.

Changes were made. Many, many of us love them. Deal with it and move on. DA:O is over and done with.

Edit: Yeah, I edited.

Modifié par SupR G, 15 mars 2011 - 05:14 .

[Aesieru]

Actually... I don't see the "many", as much as the "few".

[October Sixth]

Good to see a positive response! I guess you don't have a problem cherry-picking the good in DA2. Kudos!

[DaShiz 21]

SupR G wrote...

The simple fact of the matter here is, there is very little wrong with DA:2.

See there's a problem with your logic here: That's not a fact.

Here wait I can do that too..
"The simple fact of the matter here is, there is a lot wrong with Dragon Age 2."
See wut I did thur?

[Gaius Octavian]

SupR G is either a sub-par intellectual or a troll.

[Sam-_-Fisher]

DaShiz 21 wrote...

SupR G wrote...

The simple fact of the matter here is, there is very little wrong with DA:2.

See there's a problem with your logic here: That's not a fact.

Here wait I can do that too..
"The simple fact of the matter here is, there is a lot wrong with Dragon Age 2."
See wut I did thur?

Interesting, I see what you did there... Hmmm.

[ChillyBilly42]

Why do you think that the story is what ruined DA2, it was the hank and slashing, and the weird graphics

[Myounage]

Except for the part where they implemented all the action RPG changes incredibly poorly to create a crappy abomination of a game.

[Cutlass Jack]

I agree with most of what you say here, except your final point. DA:O isn't over and done with. People will enjoy replaying and modding it for some time to come. And thats a good thing.

But DA2? Yes I did enjoy it quite a bit...and I say that as someone who was very heavily predetermined to hate it. I don't agree with every design choice they made, but the stuff I enjoyed far outweighed it for me.

Personally, I prefer stories like this one to 'save the world' type ones.

[Ex-Paladin]

We all have our opinions but after seeing a topic saying the same bloody thing for the 20th time is getting extremely old. And it's also flooding the forum for people wanting to know NON-SPOILER things about the game. There are people who love it (such as myself) and there are those who don't.

Personally, I have very little problems with Dragon Age 2. I don't think I've run into a bug--okay, one bug---and everything else goes very smoothly (except for the occasional real slow down, but I think that has something to do with my comp).

So, my opinion for Dragon Age 2? I bloody love it and I can't wait for future games of this series!!

Edited for spelling errior '

Modifié par Ex-Paladin, 15 mars 2011 - 03:19 .

[Pyrate_d]

The part that worked with DAO is that the archdemon isn't the "unstoppable superbeing," the real, human villain is loghain, and he's a lot more credible than DA2's "villains"

I think that DA2's story has a kind of ambition in that it's much harder to make a good video game story about a family and a person without resorting to standard fantasy formula. Sadly, I'll take the standard fantasy formula over DA2's story, which really failed to involve me in the family or your personal struggle (to make money??)

[SupR G]

Gaius Octavian wrote...

SupR G is either a sub-par intellectual or a troll.

Obvious troll is obvious.

[Sabariel]

Your post was doing so well until...

SupR G wrote...
especially PC elitists

Never a good start

Modifié par Sabariel, 15 mars 2011 - 03:20 .

[DarkSpider88]

OP with every game there are going to be those who like the game and those who don't. There isn't a game out there that 100% pleases everyone. Like you I believe companion interaction was better but there are just as many who believe DA:O was better in that respect. People just have different tastes.

However I do agree with pretty much all your points about the game.

[SupR G]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I agree with most of what you say here, except your final point. DA:O isn't over and done with. People will enjoy replaying and modding it for some time to come. And thats a good thing.

But DA2? Yes I did enjoy it quite a bit...and I say that as someone who was very heavily predetermined to hate it. I don't agree with every design choice they made, but the stuff I enjoyed far outweighed it for me.

Personally, I prefer stories like this one to 'save the world' type ones.

What I meant by DA:O is over and done with is that there will be no DA:O Part 2. Unless Bioware sends people to collect all our copies...

[cotheer]

One must be blind, deaf and dead for that matter not to notice all the flaws of the game.
But meh.

[Pyrate_d]

Another problem with DA2 is that the companion recruitment didn't make any sense to me. Varric immediately offering you a spot on the expedition is pushing it, but then him just saying "LET'S STIR UP SOME TROUBLE" and joining your group made no sense. The same goes for many of the other companions--I never got a real sense of why they wanted to help

this wasn't perfect in origins, but in general when you had the option to recruit someone you had a ton of dialogue available to question their decision/motivation (leliana is a good example of this). Even if there wasn't much control involved, it felt like there was.

[TokerMate]

I love Dragon Age 2 so far. It has been really fun, the only things I have problems with are tiny things that can be fixed by fan made patches, most of them are things added or nurfed to make console porting easier. I will say this though the repeating of areas finally got to me I made a post saying "it's not that bad" but now I have played the game a lot I have realised how much of it is identical even in places where things should look drastically different (sewers) going into places from different entrances and pretending its a completely different building. I would have really appreciated a bit more work on the areas, to be honest I would be happy if they just mixed the colours up a bit (most buildings & dungeons ect.. all have this ugly brown walls interior).

Hopefully something that will change in the next game, if there is one.

[SupR G]

Pyrate_d wrote...

The part that worked with DAO is that the archdemon isn't the "unstoppable superbeing," the real, human villain is loghain, and he's a lot more credible than DA2's "villains"

I think that DA2's story has a kind of ambition in that it's much harder to make a good video game story about a family and a person without resorting to standard fantasy formula. Sadly, I'll take the standard fantasy formula over DA2's story, which really failed to involve me in the family or your personal struggle (to make money??)

Loghain was the villain... all the way up to the point the character can recruit him and befriend him. At that point, he ceases to be a villain. Thereby the main villain is in fact the Archdemon. Though freedom of choice is great, and players can befriend Loghain, no protagonist, no matter how big of a murdering a**hole he/she is, would befriend Loghain. It actually bothered me that people would entertain the idea. But that was DA:O.

[SupR G]

Pyrate_d wrote...

Another problem with DA2 is that the companion recruitment didn't make any sense to me. Varric immediately offering you a spot on the expedition is pushing it, but then him just saying "LET'S STIR UP SOME TROUBLE" and joining your group made no sense. The same goes for many of the other companions--I never got a real sense of why they wanted to help

this wasn't perfect in origins, but in general when you had the option to recruit someone you had a ton of dialogue available to question their decision/motivation (leliana is a good example of this). Even if there wasn't much control involved, it felt like there was.

Well see there was the awesome convenience of DA:O... nobody needed a reason other then to "end the Blight". Made it easy on the writers. I didn't quite have the same problem, though I did feel that Hawke should have done something to really deserve notoriety across the city... something the player could have done with him. But that's just nitpicking.

[Cassolic]

I just want to pickpocket...

[Aesieru]

SupR G wrote...

Gaius Octavian wrote...

SupR G is either a sub-par intellectual or a troll.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Please stop using terms incorrectly, your first post was flame-bait and opinions which is fine (not the bait), but this one is just immature, and using the term "troll" incorrectly, which is not just a term to identify anyone who disagrees with you or calls you out for what they think you are.

[SupR G]

Sabariel wrote...

Your post was doing so well until...

SupR G wrote...
especially PC elitists

Never a good start

I played through DA:O on PC 4 times, and once on 360. I can call them out.

[Fedaykin Oathium]

Gaius Octavian wrote...

SupR G is either a sub-par intellectual or a troll.

Is there an option to vote for both?


I wish the game was longer. I don't see where this fabled 50 hours of content I read about is in the game. 2 play throughs with full DAO and DAA char imports none more than 30 hours doing ALL quests avail to me. Biggest beef: Lack of armor options for squaddies. Game feels like Dragon Effect 2 :/ Still a good game but dumbed down a lot.

[SupR G]

Aesieru wrote...

SupR G wrote...

Gaius Octavian wrote...

SupR G is either a sub-par intellectual or a troll.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Please stop using terms incorrectly, your first post was flame-bait and opinions which is fine (not the bait), but this one is just immature, and using the term "troll" incorrectly, which is not just a term to identify anyone who disagrees with you or calls you out for what they think you are.

Humm, do you not know what a Troll is? Off topic, inflammatory responses that offer nothing to a topic is trolling. I created an argument with points. That isn't being a troll. Maybe if he followed insults with an argument... oh wait, nope. He didn't.