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[Anathemic]

SupR G wrote...

It's pretty common for gamers, especially PC elitists, to so easily and aggressively turn against a popular developer when something doesn't go their way. You might call them names, hell I can think of a few, but really what's the point. Lemmings come and go.

Honestly, Dragon Age 2 is no innovation, it's really just implementing many of the streamlining changes that Mass Effect 2 improved on it's predecessor. So we can hardly call it revolutionary. But is it an improvement on DA:O? Absolutely. DA:O had a great story, almost too great, and barely left any room at all for a proper sequel. At least Mass Effect was written to be a trilogy.

A story doesn't need to end with the slaying of an Archdemon to be great. Dragon Age 2 isn't about saving the world, it's about Hawke and the events that surrounded his rise to become the Champion. Bioware has spoiled you QQbears into believing the only good story is one that involves some seemingly unstoppable supervillain, and now you can't settle for anything less.

So story aside, Dragon Age 2 redesigned Thedas with far more imagination then it's predecessor. Qunari and Elves have a defined look, Flemeth looks spectacular, armor and clothing looks amazing and more detailed. Companions feels like actual people instead of tools for Hawke to use. They have their own unique armors and you can't force them to be something outside their character. For example, making Wynne into a Blood Mage Arcane Warrior with plate armor in DA:O. It made no sense. Complain about freedom of control all you want, but then don't complain the character's don't add up. You can't have it both ways.

As for stats imbalance, just wait for a patch will you?

The simple fact of the matter here is, there is very little wrong with DA:2. It is a worthy successor, and fixes many of the issues DA:O had. Cherry picking little problems and annoyances, stating obvious changes you knew about for months, and then claiming all the fans hate DA:2 and that it failed is a great way to sound like an ignorant lemming. And before you continue your senseless ranting, keep in mind if they had made DA:O Part 2, there would be just as many, if not more people QQing.

Changes were made. Many, many of us love them. Deal with it and move on. DA:O is over and done with.

I found Warcraft 3's story way better than DA2s.

I can state opinions too

[stu117]

Sabariel wrote...

Your post was doing so well until...

SupR G wrote...
especially PC elitists

Never a good start

Fantastic start

[Kusy]

Hell... this game picked up so much bad response in here that I might actualy buy it just to see if it's true.

[stu117]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Hell... this game picked up so much bad response in here that I might actualy buy it just to see if it's true.

Stick it to the negative man!

[Kusy]

Ya know... I can't go around the forums saying how ****ty it was without actualy playing it. And I still have a signature edition waiting for me in the shop since release.

[TJSolo]

It's pretty common for gamers, especially PC elitists, to so easily and aggressively turn against a popular developer when something doesn't go their way. You might call them names, hell I can think of a few, but really what's the point. Lemmings come and go.

You already did call them names along with attempting to make it seem that only PC gamers are the ones having a problem with this game. The very first problem I heard of was from people that post on gamefaqs in the 360 boards complaining that DA2 does not have auto-attack.

Honestly, Dragon Age 2 is no innovation, it's really just implementing many of the streamlining changes that Mass Effect 2 improved on it's predecessor. So we can hardly call it revolutionary. But is it an improvement on DA:O? Absolutely. DA:O had a great story, almost too great, and barely left any room at all for a proper sequel. At least Mass Effect was written to be a trilogy.

The story was almost too great, wut? Isn't the title of this thread "Why Dragon Age 2 is GOOD (and why Origins failed)."
We are not even talking trilogy for Dragon Age b/c trilogy limits Shepard's story to three games. DA2 is just a traditional sequel and there is no telling how many iterations Bioware will try to put out. Also ME2,...no comment.

So story aside, Dragon Age 2 redesigned Thedas with far more imagination then it's predecessor. Qunari and Elves have a defined look, Flemeth looks spectacular, armor and clothing looks amazing and more detailed. Companions feels like actual people instead of tools for Hawke to use. They have their own unique armors and you can't force them to be something outside their character. For example, making Wynne into a Blood Mage Arcane Warrior with plate armor in DA:O. It made no sense. Complain about freedom of control all you want, but then don't complain the character's don't add up. You can't have it both ways.

The whole making Wynne into a blood mage makes sense but the game is not designed to acknowledge or give it any meaningful consequences. DAO and DA2 both fail in providing a world that recognizing the player's choice of picking blood spec, or even much being a mage despite all the tension that exists with the Chantry, Templars, and apostates.
On the merits of looks alone the new designs are nice but within the context of the DA franchise they are flashy and inconsistent.

As for stats imbalance, just wait for a patch will you?

Until the patch the imbalances still stand and are viable topics of discussion.

The simple fact of the matter here is, there is very little wrong with DA:2. It is a worthy successor, and fixes many of the issues DA:O had. Cherry picking little problems and annoyances, stating obvious changes you knew about for months, and then claiming all the fans hate DA:2 and that it failed is a great way to sound like an ignorant lemming. And before you continue your senseless ranting, keep in mind if they had made DA:O Part 2, there would be just as many, if not more people QQing.

You seem to be cherry picking the "senseless ranting", what about the complaints against the game that even Bioware acknowledges? Reused maps, missing auto attack on consoles, rushed production. There are a couple feedback threads that devs/mods are watching and have thanked those who are participating in a civil manner.

[Aesieru]

SupR G wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

SupR G wrote...

Gaius Octavian wrote...

SupR G is either a sub-par intellectual or a troll.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Please stop using terms incorrectly, your first post was flame-bait and opinions which is fine (not the bait), but this one is just immature, and using the term "troll" incorrectly, which is not just a term to identify anyone who disagrees with you or calls you out for what they think you are.

Humm, do you not know what a Troll is? Off topic, inflammatory responses that offer nothing to a topic is trolling. I created an argument with points. That isn't being a troll. Maybe if he followed insults with an argument... oh wait, nope. He didn't.

Actually no, a troll is merely someone who provides information that is not conducive to the conversation or to others opinions.

classifying you as juvenile or dumb while possibly an insult, could be seen as informative to people who might at first believe you're being serious with your first post, or otherwise believe you have a strong point (actually a weak point but for your sake we'll go with the former term) that the game is better.

Many people would see this as just flame-bait or trolling, but if you're serious, then knowing that you may simply be here to insult others (as there's no reason to argue this otherwise) and gain satisfaction from that.

So no... not technically is it trolling.

Some of your posts are though.

[iinfinity]

i agree with the OP, i think da 2 was a superior game in allmost all aspects, except not being able to stop and have a conversation with your companions, other then that im really enjoying da2, where as i stopped playing origins half way through, because of 1. the recycled armor and faces[destroyed realism for me] and 2. boring and un inspiring maps. so i am very happy right now i have a da game i can love and play all the way through

[Myounage]

@title: obvious biodrone troll.

[SupR G]

Thank you for at least taking a few minutes to properly respond and offer counter arguments.

[jhock21]

if anything in this thread reflects the title, then this thread is full of fail

Modifié par jhock21, 15 mars 2011 - 03:49 .

[SupR G]

Aesieru wrote...

SupR G wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

SupR G wrote...

Gaius Octavian wrote...

SupR G is either a sub-par intellectual or a troll.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Please stop using terms incorrectly, your first post was flame-bait and opinions which is fine (not the bait), but this one is just immature, and using the term "troll" incorrectly, which is not just a term to identify anyone who disagrees with you or calls you out for what they think you are.

Humm, do you not know what a Troll is? Off topic, inflammatory responses that offer nothing to a topic is trolling. I created an argument with points. That isn't being a troll. Maybe if he followed insults with an argument... oh wait, nope. He didn't.

Actually no, a troll is merely someone who provides information that is not conducive to the conversation or to others opinions.

classifying you as juvenile or dumb while possibly an insult, could be seen as informative to people who might at first believe you're being serious with your first post, or otherwise believe you have a strong point (actually a weak point but for your sake we'll go with the former term) that the game is better.

Many people would see this as just flame-bait or trolling, but if you're serious, then knowing that you may simply be here to insult others (as there's no reason to argue this otherwise) and gain satisfaction from that.

So no... not technically is it trolling.

Some of your posts are though.

You really should look up the definition of Trolling, cause you're pretty much making up your own definition.

[Kusy]

Whoever liked Dragon Age: Orgins more than Dragon Age 2 is superior to people who liked Dragon Age 2 more than Dragon Age: Orgins. I'm glad we finaly managed to deduct it, thanks for your effort guys.

[TJSolo]

iinfinity wrote...

i agree with the OP, i think da 2 was a superior game in allmost all aspects, except not being able to stop and have a conversation with your companions, other then that im really enjoying da2, where as i stopped playing origins half way through, because of 1. the recycled armor and faces[destroyed realism for me] and 2. boring and un inspiring maps. so i am very happy right now i have a da game i can love and play all the way through

The recycles armor and maps of DA2 bothered you, right. I can't see you being to pleased with DA2's amount of recycling if DAO was a bother enough to stop playing, or you are just exaggerating.

[PurpleJesus]

SupR G wrote...

It's pretty common for gamers, especially PC elitists, to so easily and aggressively turn against a popular developer when something doesn't go their way. You might call them names, hell I can think of a few, but really what's the point. Lemmings come and go.

Honestly, Dragon Age 2 is no innovation, it's really just implementing many of the streamlining changes that Mass Effect 2 improved on it's predecessor. So we can hardly call it revolutionary. But is it an improvement on DA:O? Absolutely. DA:O had a great story, almost too great, and barely left any room at all for a proper sequel. At least Mass Effect was written to be a trilogy.

A story doesn't need to end with the slaying of an Archdemon to be great. Dragon Age 2 isn't about saving the world, it's about Hawke and the events that surrounded his rise to become the Champion. Bioware has spoiled you QQbears into believing the only good story is one that involves some seemingly unstoppable supervillain, and now you can't settle for anything less.

So story aside, Dragon Age 2 redesigned Thedas with far more imagination then it's predecessor. Qunari and Elves have a defined look, Flemeth looks spectacular, armor and clothing looks amazing and more detailed. Companions feels like actual people instead of tools for Hawke to use. They have their own unique armors and you can't force them to be something outside their character. For example, making Wynne into a Blood Mage Arcane Warrior with plate armor in DA:O. It made no sense. Complain about freedom of control all you want, but then don't complain the character's don't add up. You can't have it both ways.

As for stats imbalance, just wait for a patch will you?

The simple fact of the matter here is, there is very little wrong with DA:2. It is a worthy successor, and fixes many of the issues DA:O had. Cherry picking little problems and annoyances, stating obvious changes you knew about for months, and then claiming all the fans hate DA:2 and that it failed is a great way to sound like an ignorant lemming. And before you continue your senseless ranting, keep in mind if they had made DA:O Part 2, there would be just as many, if not more people QQing.

Changes were made. Many, many of us love them. Deal with it and move on. DA:O is over and done with.

Honestly, Dragon Age 2 is no innovation.

You are right.

A story doesn't need to end with the slaying of an Archdemon to be great.

You are wrong, perhaps next time we can follow the endearing story of fluffy the kitten as she makes her way to the liiter box. 

 it's really just implementing many of the streamlining changes that Mass Effect 2 improved on it's predecessor

I didn't buy Mass Effect , not did i want to. I bought Dragon Age.

So story aside, Dragon Age 2 redesigned Thedas with far more imagination then it's predecessor
Really , Thedas is now the same place over and over and over  WoW how creative. 

As for stats imbalance, just wait for a patch will you? 
Sure as long as they will wait to charge my credit card until they finish making the game. 

You can't have it both ways.
Why not everything in this game goes both ways. 
And ummm , i had it in DAO so i guess i can. 

The simple fact of the matter here is, there is very little wrong with DA:2.
Yeah so the guys at Bioware keep telling me. 

like an ignorant lemming.
Would that be the lemming not following you off the cliff , yup thats me. 
Or the lemming that doesn't know what a cliff is ? you are confusing me.

if they had made DA:O Part 2, there would be just as many, if not more people QQing.
I doubt that , but it might have won Game of the year. 

Changes were made. Many, many of us love them. Deal with it and move on. DA:O is over and done with.
And apparently many , many of us don't.  Im thinking the move on part is exactly what Bioware wouldn't want their fans to do. 

Lick lick lick that Bioware Meat stick.

Modifié par PurpleJesus, 15 mars 2011 - 04:04 .

[vantick]

Oh no, suddenly someone disagrees with you and it automatically means troll? He liked the game guys, grow up and take your thinly-veiled insults someplace else. But I have to disagree with the OP somewhat. DAII is a game with flaws. What those flaws are depend on the person you talk to. But I enjoyed the game anyway so huzzah!

[WhiteThunder]

iinfinity wrote...
i stopped playing origins half way through, because of 1. the recycled armor and faces[destroyed realism for me] and 2. boring and un inspiring maps. so i am very happy right now i have a da game i can love and play all the way through

I'd rather have boring, uninspiring maps than a boring uninspiring map a la DA2, and I'd also rather have recycled faces if that meant that the NPC placefillers would in fact have faces... call me crazy though.

[iinfinity]

TJSolo wrote...

iinfinity wrote...

i agree with the OP, i think da 2 was a superior game in allmost all aspects, except not being able to stop and have a conversation with your companions, other then that im really enjoying da2, where as i stopped playing origins half way through, because of 1. the recycled armor and faces[destroyed realism for me] and 2. boring and un inspiring maps. so i am very happy right now i have a da game i can love and play all the way through

The recycles armor and maps of DA2 bothered you, right. I can't see you being to pleased with DA2's amount of recycling if DAO was a bother enough to stop playing, or you are just exaggerating.

the empty feeling maps like the elven forest area brecillian forest were what ultimatley put me off, seconded by the armor. i guess the reason im not as bothered by the da2 armor is because its more eye pleasing. but if im honest then da2 could do with more locations , but its not something thats gonna stop me playing it.

[WhiteThunder]

I prefer an empty forest to an empty city, but again, that's just me

[PurpleJesus]

vantick wrote...

Oh no, suddenly someone disagrees with you and it automatically means troll? He liked the game guys, grow up and take your thinly-veiled insults someplace else. But I have to disagree with the OP somewhat. DAII is a game with flaws. What those flaws are depend on the person you talk to. But I enjoyed the game anyway so huzzah!

thinly-veiled insults

I don't Veil much.

[iinfinity]

WhiteThunder wrote...

I prefer an empty forest to an empty city, but again, that's just me

fair enough, but you cant tell me denerim was any better can you?

Modifié par iinfinity, 15 mars 2011 - 04:05 .

[Aesieru]

The definition of trolling:

http://www.merriam-w...ionary/trolling

A less official definition from the less official dictionary:

An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other (electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect, but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their minds.

Modifié par Aesieru, 15 mars 2011 - 04:04 .

[Atardecer]

"PC Elitists"

Oh god, you must be kidding. Get out.

[Anathemic]

Aesieru wrote...

The definition of trolling:

http://www.merriam-w...ionary/trolling

A less official definition from the less official dictionary:

An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other (electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect, but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their minds.

Hey buddy, merriam-webster isn't working for you

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[Kusy]

Ya'll people funny. Cept for those of you who are just sad.