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Edli wrote...

I don't mind the gay relationships but it's a bit unrealistic when every person is a bi.


They aren't bi unless you hit on them, their sexuality changes based off of how you act, because evedently Hawke is that damn sexy(it's the beard).

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Edli wrote...

I don't mind the gay relationships but it's a bit unrealistic when every person is a bi.


Whenever I see whining about how "it's unrealistic" to make everyone bi in video games I role my eyes.

Fighting dragons isn't very realistic. Darkspawn are not realistic. Magic is not realistic. Demons, the Fade, elves, dwarves... none of them very realistic. But it's a VIDEO GAME and everyone seems to get that except when it's with regards to the bisexuality thing.

It's irritating invideo games to have to play a character opposite to your gender just to be able to romance the person you want. Frankly, with being able to have a female character period being so new I very rarely want to switch back to being a guy again. It's nice to be my own gender. But I don't feel I should be punished forr that with limitations on the romance.
 
Nobody should be limited in a game based on the gender they choose: it's a fantasy world. FANTASY.

Edit: Also, it's just "when every person is bi". You can say is a bisexual. But not is a bi. In the same way one cannot say "is a gay" or "is a straight" but can say "is homosexual" or "is heterosexual".

Modifié par Soundsystem, 15 mars 2011 - 08:01 .


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Soundsystem wrote...

Edli wrote...

I don't mind the gay relationships but it's a bit unrealistic when every person is a bi.


Whenever I see whining about how "it's unrealistic" to make everyone bi in video games I role my eyes.

Fighting dragons isn't very realistic. Darkspawn are not realistic. Magic is not realistic. Demons, the Fade, elves, dwarves... none of them very realistic. But it's a VIDEO GAME and everyone seems to get that except when it's with regards to the bisexuality thing.

It's irritating invideo games to have to play a character opposite to your gender just to be able to romance the person you want. Frankly, with being able to have a female character period being so new I very rarely want to switch back to being a guy again. It's nice to be my own gender. But I don't feel I should be punished forr that with limitations on the romance.
 
Nobody should be limited in a game based on the gender they choose: it's a fantasy world. FANTASY.

Edit: Also, it's just "when every person is bi". You can say is a bisexual. But not is a bi. In the same way one cannot say "is a gay" or "is a straight" but can say "is homosexual" or "is heterosexual".


and you are absolutely right, but in the end......having everyone like the guy before you said like you and hit on you if your the same sex, is absolutely stupid.........we are set in a distinct world with its own rules and lore, and im about 99.99% of everything i expereinced in this world of dragon age that everyone is not bi.

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Cody211282 wrote...

Edli wrote...

I don't mind the gay relationships but it's a bit unrealistic when every person is a bi.


They aren't bi unless you hit on them, their sexuality changes based off of how you act, because evedently Hawke is that damn sexy(it's the beard).


Well, I do not like the attitude regarding the game characters, when their character is determined by player's choice. To be more precise, their character before they met Hawke. I mean my interaction with them should influence their future, but not their past - in this case their orientation. So I consider all the four characters bi. Then I find it strange, why the majority of the party members are bi and only 2 or 3 "normal".

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I only hated the M/M romance with Anders since it's subtle as getting hit by a train and you had to be a jerk to reject him.

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Kill3rN1nja wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

Edli wrote...

I don't mind the gay relationships but it's a bit unrealistic when every person is a bi.


Whenever I see whining about how "it's unrealistic" to make everyone bi in video games I role my eyes.

Fighting dragons isn't very realistic. Darkspawn are not realistic. Magic is not realistic. Demons, the Fade, elves, dwarves... none of them very realistic. But it's a VIDEO GAME and everyone seems to get that except when it's with regards to the bisexuality thing.

It's irritating invideo games to have to play a character opposite to your gender just to be able to romance the person you want. Frankly, with being able to have a female character period being so new I very rarely want to switch back to being a guy again. It's nice to be my own gender. But I don't feel I should be punished forr that with limitations on the romance.
 
Nobody should be limited in a game based on the gender they choose: it's a fantasy world. FANTASY.

Edit: Also, it's just "when every person is bi". You can say is a bisexual. But not is a bi. In the same way one cannot say "is a gay" or "is a straight" but can say "is homosexual" or "is heterosexual".


and you are absolutely right, but in the end......having everyone like the guy before you said like you and hit on you if your the same sex, is absolutely stupid.........we are set in a distinct world with its own rules and lore, and im about 99.99% of everything i expereinced in this world of dragon age that everyone is not bi.


Straight people hit on you sometimes when you're gay, sometimes gay people hit on you when you're straight. It's no big deal. I could be playing a lesbian or bisexual character, but the game doesn't know that so people are going to hit on them they don't want. Only real solution to that would be to have you input your characters sexuality into the game as part of a character creator but that would probably make for too much difference in dialogue.  Plus you would have to have a lot of little boxes to represent all sexualities without leaving people out. Bottom line this is the simplest way to ensure all players can access the same romance options.

As for you experiencing people in the world of DA... just because they don't hit on you doesn't mean they aren't bi. Just means they aren't romantically (or sexually) interested in your character, for whatever reason.

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Its not progressive when half your party are gays - its simply lame.

Modifié par Irxy, 15 mars 2011 - 11:05 .


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Irxy wrote...

Its not progressive when half your party are gays - its simply lame.


It's not progressive to be more open and accepting of other people?

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Ringo12 wrote...

Irxy wrote...

Its not progressive when half your party are gays - its simply lame.


It's not progressive to be more open and accepting of other people?


It depends on to what you are open and what you are accepting. And maybe the better question is not whether something is or is not proggresive, but if it is good or bad.

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I have to say it's pretty unrealistic when there's more bisexual people than straight people in the team.

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Irxy wrote...

Its not progressive when half your party are gays - its simply lame.


Half of your party is not gay or straight or meant to be anything in particular, besides your LI, if you even choose to do that.

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Kornelius wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Irxy wrote...

Its not progressive when half your party are gays - its simply lame.


It's not progressive to be more open and accepting of other people?


It depends on to what you are open and what you are accepting. And maybe the better question is not whether something is or is not proggresive, but if it is good or bad.


You think it is "bad" to have a choice on how to make your character in a game then?

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Guys, this is a no-spoiler zone, and we're getting precariously close to spoilage here. Stay on the straight and narrow - no pun intended.

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MaximusPhoenix wrote...

Kornelius wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Irxy wrote...

Its not progressive when half your party are gays - its simply lame.


It's not progressive to be more open and accepting of other people?


It depends on to what you are open and what you are accepting. And maybe the better question is not whether something is or is not proggresive, but if it is good or bad.


You think it is "bad" to have a choice on how to make your character in a game then?


Well, my post was not neccesarily related to this game. I was commenting on the statement regarding the progressivness of being more open and accepting.
Nevertheless, to answer your question. I do not think  it is bad to have a choice on how to make your character. However, being forced to have four bisexuals in your party  (out of total 6 members) is a different issue than making your own character.

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Ugh, Another bi thread.

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MegaBadExample wrote...

Ugh, Another bi thread.


not another "bi" thread. Was just trying to congratulate Bioware, then it just turned into another one of those topics where people complain everyone is bi, sigh :/

I was saying this in another thread and I will say it again here, I don't view it as seeing everyone bi, nor do I think it is meant for you to go along the game thinking "everyone wants everyone"....it is just a game mechanic to please everyone.

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MaximusPhoenix wrote...

I would like to first start off by commending Bioware for being socially progressive in DAO and DA2, and having the balls to provide the option of pursuing a gay/bi relationship if they choose. I cannot recall off the bat in the past couple years if there have been any other gaming studios doing this?

Apparently, from what I've read the past couple days in this forum, a select few individuals seem to be so damn offended that there is even an option to romance someone of the same sex, particularly if it's M/M, but are all for F/F. No one is forcing you to pick either side. You don't even have to choose the heart option if you don't want.
    Also, to those that say it is gross or not "right" or whatever to have a companion even try to attempt to flirt with your same sex Hawke need to relax and realize it is just a game. The worst is when someone posts and says that is wrong and should not be there but are fine with a someone of the opposite sex flirting with them.
   
There seems to be so much double standards with people here to the point where it is just silly....want something for themselves but also demand another group of human beings be excluded from those wants and desires....I'm a male and gay, and if a female comes up to me, whether it's in game or RL and and god forbid gives me a COMPLIMENT, I am going to be flattered and say not interested, not tell her to F*** off and say she is nasty and demand that no women should be allowed to approch me.
    Seriously, with the comments made here sometimes over something so trivial, I feel like we should be back in **** war times where people need to wear a patch or something on their clothes, not to state their religion, but their sexual orientation. :ph34r:

Anyways, I am starting to drift away from what I originally wanted to say. Again, thank you Bioware for having the balls to make a game appeal to EVERYONE. Please keep this up. I know myself and a huge chuck of other gamers appreciate this in the Dragon Age series. Please do not cave into backwards demands from others in future DA games. I am saying this as a proud  Canadian, and it is the least I would expect from an awesome Canadian company:bandit:





Well I am glad you are happy with it, but how about Bioware puts out a finished product first before they worry about throwing in  their progressive social engineering agenda that has no place in video games anyway

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I think it's great too.

I do think the only issue with everyone being bi is that it can be seen as kind of shying away from gelling with their strong characters. I somehow think Fenris would be a little bit more decisive, gay or straight. That's just an opinion though and there's no way I'd ever want to change someone else's work.

also, lol @ 'social engineering agenda'. Bet there's big board meetings about that.

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malakian wrote...

I think it's great too.

I do think the only issue with everyone being bi is that it can be seen as kind of shying away from gelling with their strong characters. I somehow think Fenris would be a little bit more decisive, gay or straight. That's just an opinion though and there's no way I'd ever want to change someone else's work.

also, lol @ 'social engineering agenda'. Bet there's big board meetings about that.


There was actually as they cancelled the dungeon creation one for it......

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i think next bioware game should be Dragon Age: Gay Fantasy Date

it would surely be a bestseller

and then maybe then they could do a nice rpg without any unrealistic 5 conversation bisexual romances

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Kornelius wrote...

So I consider all the four characters bi. Then I find it strange, why the majority of the party members are bi and only 2 or 3 "normal".


The only unrealistic part of it is that they all have what I'd call well-defined bisexual identities, and none of the man-on-man hook ups in the game involves some self-proclaimed paragon of heterosexuality only coming on to you after drinking way too much ale, then getting all up in denial on the next morning, only to give you drunken booty calls every few weeks until you cut all contact with the pathetic closet case. Now that would make for some interesting companion quests...

Outside of that, my belief is that 'they're all bi' pretty much extends, more or less, to the population at large IRL, barring any social repression or the resentment that arises out of it that drives people to pick sides and stick to them stubbornly because they are too invested in their identity.

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Well I am glad you are happy with it, but how about Bioware puts out a finished product first before they worry about throwing in  their progressive social engineering agenda that has no place in video games anyway

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Here we go with the "Agenda" thing again :?

Saying something has no place in somewhere does not make it true.

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The only unrealistic part of it is that they all have what I'd call well-defined bisexual identities, and none of the man-on-man hook ups in the game involves some self-proclaimed paragon of heterosexuality only coming on to you after drinking way too much ale, then getting all up in denial on the next morning, only to give you drunken booty calls every few weeks until you cut all contact with the pathetic closet case. Now that would make for some interesting companion quests...

Outside of that, my belief is that 'they're all bi' pretty much extends, more or less, to the population at large IRL, barring any social repression or the resentment that arises out of it that drives people to pick sides and stick to them stubbornly because they are too invested in their identity.


it is also unrelistic that all those gays dont go around shouting: Look at me, I am gay, I am special, I need more attention!

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Why does everyone have to be gay? Better yet, why do we even need a romance option?
What is there about five or six different companions to sex it with? That's too large a scope for each to be meaningful and worthwhile.

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Anyway, gays are mainstream these days, if the devs want to be progressive, they should include some trannies in DA3 - and not spoil it until the final love scene.