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[Adara]

Is Orsino a Blood Mage and Meredith a demon? I may be completely misunderstanding..but I was looking in the guide and it seems to me that the above is true. Please correct me if wrong and spoilers are allowed. If it is true it doesnt seem right to side with either one even though I know you have to. Any thoughts?

[Kimberly Shaw]

Orsino only used blood magic (inexplicably) in the rushed ending to give you a big monster to fight. He knew a bit about blood magic and studied it but never used it before.

Meredith was possessed by the "idol" which we know nothing about because the game's third act was poorly written. She wasn't a demon.

[Rheia]

Also, remember the mage that killed Hawke's mother? Orsino knew of him too. Food for thought.

[Adara]

So what is more justified..siding with mages or templars? Any opinions?

[Kimberly Shaw]

My own opinion is that Meredith was insane and corrupt and forced Orsino to use blood magic to survive at the end. He did know about the guy who killed your mother and didn't stop his experiments before they happened, but never used blood magic before and was a stand up guy before he inexplicably/contrivance mutated into that thing to give you a big bad boss fight in the horrible chapter 3 ending.

[Dridengx]

apparently every mage can use blood magic by cutting themselves. there is no tomes, or spells, or anything they need to read lol. As for Meredith, she was a bit firm but fine until she got corrupted.

[errant_knight]

Yeah, I'm wondering what the heck is going on with the lore when every mage can use blood magic at any time, or turn into an abomination if they so much as get a hangnail. If this is the new way of it, then the templars have it right. I just ignored it in much the same way as I ignored the combat, Dog's unfortunate nasal deformity, and King Alistair's horrifying lead armor.

[Rheia]

Kill them all and let whichever higher power sort them out?

Seriously, there is no right answer. I found this particular instalment of Dragon age really went in the shades of grey. Both sides have valid arguments, both sides have questionable methods, motives, hidden agendas, etc, etc, etc.

When forced with the choice it depends on your character's ideology what you'll go with, and that choice can be swayed by other factors like your siblings, views on justice/fairness, hell even you companion views.

Played the game as pro-mage from the start? Do your feelings change when you see what a mage on the loose done with your mother? How a blood mage was ready to kill her own children? How the mage who wished for freedom (and you helped her) later ends up kidnapping and using bloodmagic on your sibling/lover?

Played as pro-templar? How about witnessing a templar abuse innocent mage and threatening her to be made tranquil if she won't do as he say? What about being sent to kill a potentially innocent? What of Meredith declaring the rite of annulment against the mages who -didn't do a thing to blow up chantry?

It's a decision you make, and convictions and emotion plays a much bigger role in it than logic or justification, imho

[Dridengx]

Gremnock wrote...

So what is more justified..siding with mages or templars? Any opinions?

Mages make a lot of mistakes and look very suspicious. hiding murders, killing innocents etc. The game tries hard to make the templars appear evil but only some of them accuse wrongfully but understandable, they are afraid, and they should be. The problem is Meredith is a radical templar and later corrupted so her views make the templar sort of evil towards mages.. which makes the mages seem forced to defend themselves.

This is why I believe the Chantry wants Hawke so bad. they know he can bring peace to both sides. Leliana said the mages could listen to Hawke.. no mention of templars.. so I'm assuming Hawke sided with the templars but was more fair and warm to the mages. Remember it was Meredith who wanted all mages killed. with her gone, peace should and can be made

[errant_knight]

The reason I sided with the mages was that Meredith had the perpetrator and wasn't interested in killing him--she wanted the circle mages, who had nothing to do with it. There was no justice in that, however dangerous mages are made to seem in DA2.

I thought that aspect was as over the top as the combat. Apparently every mage can become an abomination at any time--not just when they contact the fade as we were led to believe. Either that, or every mage in Kirkwall is an abomination already. It didn't make much sense.

[Pileyourbodies]

Orsino is an insane bloodmage in collusion with the murder of your mother.

Meredith is a strict but fair templar trying to defend kirkwall. She listened to reason right up to the end. She spared the mages i asked her to, spared my sister and even listened to a complaint from cullen. Till the end when she attacked me in a fit of madness she was perfectly understandable.

[Cashew]

errant_knight wrote...
I thought that aspect was as over the top as the combat. Apparently every mage can become an abomination at any time--not just when they contact the fade as we were led to believe. Either that, or every mage in Kirkwall is an abomination already. It didn't make much sense.

I like to think of it as "the temptation is alwalys there". Demons want to enter the mortal world right? And what happens when a mage is backed into a corner?   > 

= Mage
= Abomination

[Sabresandiego]

Why do people post spoilers in the title? Cant you post the spoiler in the thread without writing it in the title?

[dubsaves]

I was hoping for a hidden romance option between Orsino and Meredith. The joke my female Hawke cracked about them acting like a married couple was priceless. I tried to play neutral party but Meredith forced me to choose. And so did Anders really. The Chantry was a bit weak so it wasnt a big loss and let Anders live. You blew up a church! That's pretty cool! Ok, you can make up for it later. 

Modifié par dubsaves, 15 mars 2011 - 05:04 .

[SuicidalBaby]

act 3 is so retarded. everyone is max aggro, but not to the people actually responsible when they are standing right there. let the Arishok bring the temple down on the faithful. this city needs to die. the writer/director should ......

I should finish that thought but it wouldnt do them justice. A lack of outrage at the wrong times and way too much when its not even relevant.

[HawXV2]

Wrong forum.

[Baaleos]

I dont think its a case that Meredith was possessed by the idol.
I think its just a case that it was pure lyrium, something that Templars are addicted to, and she over used the stuff, and her body as a result, became Lyrium Infused.

Hense why she became a statue (Of Lyrium) at the end.

The other templars probably broke of her arms, and started licking them like lolly-pops.

[DM Veil]

I can understand Meredith's character turning on you due to the corruption of that ancient idol, but Orsino's actions are just...insane; but perhaps that's what was how it was intended to be, people have been known to go insane under extreme stress and trying to understand the thoughts of an insane person can be quite....well insane actually. As for him knowing the murderer of your mother I do believe he had no idea the depths that his friend had fallen, and had found his research interesting on a purely academic level, but never to actually practice until he went insane.

I sided with the Templars in the end so I could somewhat understand Orsino being backed into a corner, losing all hope, and going insane, but I don't see how if you side with the mages it makes much sense.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Yes, let's pretend Orsino (or any Blood Mage) can magically start using Blood Magic proficiently at the drop of a hat without ever practicing in secret.

All those classes they take to learn how to use magic and cast individual spells are only for non-Blood magic spells obviously.

Amazing how naive people will be in order to blind themselves to the truth.

If you didn't leave the game realizing how much of a hypocrite Orsino was, and left wondering how every single mage (literally) except Bethany and Feyndrial in all of Kirkwall somehow knows Blood Magic and have made pacts with demons...boy. You're a politician's wet dream.

It speaks of a systematic rot right through the Circle, and with the First Enchanter clearly up to his armpits in Blood Magic and necrotic research (your poor mother), it doesn't take much to realize how false faced he's been the entire game as he proclaims how only a few bad "apples" turn to blood magic. HOW DOES HIS ENTIRE CIRCLE KNOW BLOOD MAGIC. I can't even imagine how much work he must have put into this sick cult of blood behind the scenes under the very nose of the Templars.

Poor Meredith and the Templars. They were right beyond their wildest imaginations. Not even Meredith at her craziest dreamed every single mage in the tower except Bethany was a blood mage. All that sympathy she had for the innocents that were caught in her net was so misplaced.

Modifié par kjdhgfiliuhwe, 15 mars 2011 - 11:19 .

[Baaleos]

Orsino had said that he had read another persons research, but he dismissed it.

So its possible he did infact have the knowledge of Blood Magic, but he did not practice it.
And being totally honest, I doubt he would really want to permanently become that harvester.

The Templars dont persecute people for 'Knowing' Blood Magic, only for Practicing it.
Yes- There were alot of Blood Mages in the circle, which raises the possibility that the Templars were justified.

But not forgetting that Blood Magic is one of the oldest forms of Magic in Theda's given to mages by Demons. And Mages have a connection to the fade, making them vulnerable to demonic influence.

In a sense, all mages have the potential to learn Blood Magic, if they wanted or needed to.
Blood also flows through their veins, who knows how much practice it really needs.

So far, Blood Magic looks like a quick and dirty way to acquire vast power, with little effort.
Slice open your wrist, and bamm.... your powerful. (Dont try this at home kids)

[Nastrod]

By the time the game was done I wanted both sides to just be killed off. It is not one of those cases where it is a gray area on who is right or wrong since both are completely wrong. The writing staff on Mass Effect does the whole which side is right or wrong much better for example who is right between the Geth vs quarian or krogan and the genophage.

When I sided with the mages I could not believe all the crap from kidnapping my sister, destroying the chantry, being attacked by mages, everyone of them is a blood mage even their damn leader, and on and on.

I wish their was a option to have wardens or something join you then you can kill both sides.

[SlamminHams]

All you really need to know is Act 3 is bad. Kill everything and hope DA3 isn't as bad storywise.

[atheelogos]

Rheia wrote...

Also, remember the mage that killed Hawke's mother? Orsino knew of him too. Food for thought.

wait a mage killed him?! Where in the game did they say this.

[Arcadionn]

atheelogos wrote...

Rheia wrote...

Also, remember the mage that killed Hawke's mother? Orsino knew of him too. Food for thought.

wait a mage killed him?! Where in the game did they say this.

Necromancy (blood magic) is magic.

Nothing more can be said regarding that.

(notice how only your mothers HEAD is part of the amalgamation of body parts the insane mage built)

Seriously though... I played a mage initially and I wanted to be pro mage through and through... but boy was it hard to even chose... I think I stared at the "side with mages/side with templars" prompt for about 12 minutes before I went "ok, this is stupid, I wanted to RP a pure pro mage guy" /clicks support mages...


Also... a mage killed HER (as in your mother, a female, unless you RP'd something different?)

Modifié par Arcadionn, 15 mars 2011 - 01:27 .

[atheelogos]

Baaleos wrote...

Orsino had said that he had read another persons research, but he dismissed it.

So its possible he did infact have the knowledge of Blood Magic, but he did not practice it.
And being totally honest, I doubt he would really want to permanently become that harvester.

The Templars dont persecute people for 'Knowing' Blood Magic, only for Practicing it.
Yes- There were alot of Blood Mages in the circle, which raises the possibility that the Templars were justified.

But not forgetting that Blood Magic is one of the oldest forms of Magic in Theda's given to mages by Demons. And Mages have a connection to the fade, making them vulnerable to demonic influence.

In a sense, all mages have the potential to learn Blood Magic, if they wanted or needed to.
Blood also flows through their veins, who knows how much practice it really needs.

So far, Blood Magic looks like a quick and dirty way to acquire vast power, with little effort.
Slice open your wrist, and bamm.... your powerful. (Dont try this at home kids)

"Yes- There were alot of Blood Mages in the circle, which raises the possibility that the Templars were justified." They only turned to blood magic because of Templar's harsh methods. Templars struck the first blow not the other way around.

"given to mages by Demons" Wrong. We don't know where Blood magic comes from. There are those that say the Dalish were the founders of the art and taught it to humans and yet other rumors say the old gods taught it. Then there is the last rumor which says it comes from Demons. 

With all that said I doubt very much Blood magic comes from demons. It's a type of magic based solely on this word and not the fade, so I have a hard picturing its origin in the fade.