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drhys23

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so, i've just beat dragon age 2. and i can say....i was not let down. perhaps it was because i came to terms early on that this was not dragon age: origins. perhaps it was because i didn't take a stand, even though i had strong convictions, until the very end, when anders, the friend i cared for the most during the game, went off the deep end, perhaps it was because i loved the little pieces, perhaps it was because i was not struck by the dreaded merrill bug (although i didnt see the scene where she cried for the keeper in her home, but perhaps since i didnt romance her that was the way it was programed). in any case, i loved this game. i loved how the companions did their own thing, had their own views, their own lives and motives, were pushed to the breaking point and followed through with their ideals or were found wanting. i loved that it was ment to be taken in doses and grew tiresome in long playthroughs, much as life does.  i loved that my hawke learned to seperate idealism from pragmatism and put himself above his selfish duty born desires. that sad, i have a few gripes: 1) i wish there were less side quests, as they distracted from the overall plot and pacing of it, though one may argue that they are optional. 2) i really wish that "i'm not calling you a liar" was used as the outro song instead of the big nothing we received. 3) i thought the game was supposed to cover 10 years. what happened to the other three? dlc? if so, for shame. other than that, i found that it was a bold step forward.

Modifié par drhys23, 15 mars 2011 - 05:40 .


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MajorStranger

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Edit: not this again. Ok the game is not as good as DAO but it's still much better than most 6 hours crap other company give us!

Modifié par MajorStranger, 15 mars 2011 - 05:27 .


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drhys23

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tried really hard. my i key sticks. i'll edit.

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David Gaider

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drhys23 wrote...
3) i thought the game was supposed to cover 10 years. what happened to the other three?


The story does take place over ten years. Varric is talking about events that happened three years earlier... the "present" is ten years after the beginning.

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David Gaider wrote...

drhys23 wrote...
3) i thought the game was supposed to cover 10 years. what happened to the other three?


The story does take place over ten years. Varric is talking about events that happened three years earlier... the "present" is ten years after the beginning.

No offense Mr. Gaider but you guys really should've explained that in game. Or did I miss something?

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I thought of that possibility but couldn't be sure.

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David Gaider wrote...

drhys23 wrote...
3) i thought the game was supposed to cover 10 years. what happened to the other three?


The story does take place over ten years. Varric is talking about events that happened three years earlier... the "present" is ten years after the beginning.


No offence, but I don't give a damn about the three years in between BECAUSE WE DON'T PLAY IT! a 10-15 minutes cinematic event doesn't mean the game has a 10 year span.

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drhys23

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David Gaider wrote...

drhys23 wrote...
3) i thought the game was supposed to cover 10 years. what happened to the other three?


The story does take place over ten years. Varric is talking about events that happened three years earlier... the "present" is ten years after the beginning.

 i thought about this as i neared the end of the game, mr. gaider, and perhaps the fault just falls upon my expectations of seeing 10 years worth of gameplay. don't get me wrong, as i loved the ending. i just thought there might be a little more game to flll the gap.

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David Gaider wrote...

drhys23 wrote...
3) i thought the game was supposed to cover 10 years. what happened to the other three?


The story does take place over ten years. Varric is talking about events that happened three years earlier... the "present" is ten years after the beginning.


Okay, not that marketing is your fault or anything but that's slightly misleading when one says the game takes place over ten years.  Technically correct, but still....

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David Gaider

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MajorStranger wrote...
No offence, but I don't give a damn about the three years in between BECAUSE WE DON'T PLAY IT! a 10-15 minutes cinematic event doesn't mean the game has a 10 year span.


Is there a difference? The story takes place over 10 years total. We could have made larger jumps between the acts, if you preferred, but you aren't "missing" anything. It's not like you played over all the intervening years anyhow, correct? :)

Modifié par David Gaider, 15 mars 2011 - 05:38 .


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It's obvious marketing-speak. I mean, an epic adventure that spans seven years just doesn't sound right does it? :P

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David Gaider wrote...

MajorStranger wrote...
No offence, but I don't give a damn about the three years in between BECAUSE WE DON'T PLAY IT! a 10-15 minutes cinematic event doesn't mean the game has a 10 year span.


Is there a difference? The story takes place over 10 years total. We could have made larger jumps between the acts, if you preferred, but you aren't "missing" anything. It's not like you played over all the intervening years anyhow, correct? :)


What about when Hawke worked for the smugglers/mercs in the beginning? That must of been an interesting year to at least introduce Hawke into what Kirkwall was like. Similar to the first few missions of Grand Theft Auto 4 where we have Niko slowing getting into how life works in Liberty City.

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It is misleading to market it as taking place over 10 years and then relegate the last 3-4 years to a shorty mysterious cutscene

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I was expecting a whole other act after Act III so I was little taken aback when it was over. It makes sense that those extra years were skipped once you make the connection.

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There is always some aspect of a game not everyone is going to like. I thought the narrative was kinda cute but there were times I would have liked a little more after the big event to enjoy, such as in DA:O after you kill the demon you if you lived you had a chance to talk to your friends and then left to go talk to the crowd.

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NvVanity wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

MajorStranger wrote...
No offence, but I don't give a damn about the three years in between BECAUSE WE DON'T PLAY IT! a 10-15 minutes cinematic event doesn't mean the game has a 10 year span.


Is there a difference? The story takes place over 10 years total. We could have made larger jumps between the acts, if you preferred, but you aren't "missing" anything. It's not like you played over all the intervening years anyhow, correct? :)


What about when Hawke worked for the smugglers/mercs in the beginning? That must of been an interesting year to at least introduce Hawke into what Kirkwall was like. Similar to the first few missions of Grand Theft Auto 4 where we have Niko slowing getting into how life works in Liberty City.

i'm actually kind of glad that wasn't included. it allowed me to fill in the gaps rather easily during the first year, as well as allotting for some wiggle room in my hawke's personality. subjectively speaking.

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David Gaider wrote...

MajorStranger wrote...
No offence, but I don't give a damn about the three years in between BECAUSE WE DON'T PLAY IT! a 10-15 minutes cinematic event doesn't mean the game has a 10 year span.


Is there a difference? The story takes place over 10 years total. We could have made larger jumps between the acts, if you preferred, but you aren't "missing" anything. It's not like you played over all the intervening years anyhow, correct? :)


Having those three year gaps between acts can also provide more DLC possibilities, could it not? A large gap in time could make room for an entire side adventure.

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David Gaider wrote...



Is there a difference? The story takes place over 10 years total. We could have made larger jumps between the acts, if you preferred, but you aren't "missing" anything. It's not like you played over all the intervening years anyhow, correct? :)


Not missing anything? Have you played the game? the world is on the brink of war, You've just killed the Knight-Commander AND  the First Enchanter, meaning Kirkwall is left without any leader. Something Udina would call "A political sh!tstorm". Maybe Bioware haven't made anything after Act 3, maybe they'll want to cash-in more by giving us Act 4 as an expansion/DLC. But those three years storywise would be the most interesting. Giving us choice between standing with Kirkwall, becoming the Viscount and having either an army of Mage with Bethany as First Enchanter. or just leaving kirkwall for good. Either way, knowing an Exalted March would run on Kirkwall you end up leaving the city for good.

I don't know about you, but that would have made a pretty darn good act.

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Of all the complaints this game gets, the one about not playing through 10 years as opposed to the story happening over 10 years... It just seems like such a minor quibble.

Then again, I complained about not being able to have a threesome. I'm one to talk.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Then again, I complained about not being able to have a threesome. I'm one to talk.


Bite your tongue, threesomes are important! :P

*Drools at the thought of Isabella and Merrill at the same time*

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The Grey Nayr wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Then again, I complained about not being able to have a threesome. I'm one to talk.


Bite your tongue, threesomes are important! :P

*Drools at the thought of Isabella and Merrill at the same time*


Ogrhen would pass out at that!

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Well my complaint on this is with the person who said we werent left with being able to chit-chat about the end events to our party. Plus the save leaves me off before i kill Meredith at the end, is there an autosave that wont activate until you put DLC in the game?

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The Grey Nayr wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Then again, I complained about not being able to have a threesome. I'm one to talk.


Bite your tongue, threesomes are important! :P

*Drools at the thought of Isabella and Merrill at the same time*


Take heart! Thanks to that lovable scamp Zevran a threesome does exist in the game!

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Of all the complaints this game gets, the one about not playing through 10 years as opposed to the story happening over 10 years... It just seems like such a minor quibble.

Then again, I complained about not being able to have a threesome. I'm one to talk.

Well, you do get to have your way with one of the sisters of the chantry, which is just as naughty.

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MajorStranger wrote...
No offence, but I don't give a damn about the three years in between BECAUSE WE DON'T PLAY IT! a 10-15 minutes cinematic event doesn't mean the game has a 10 year span.


You know that thing..we used to call them books. ...someof them have the same long periods while telling the tale of the hero and his/her friends.

take Robert Jordans Giantic series of boosk. Long and very veyr thourgh but tedious due to him talking about everyhting including the grass upon which his horse once rode and the long history of each flower in said garden.

as this is being told by an admittedly lying dwarf..don't you think he might want to leave out the non epic parts because they are just that...Boring.

 I for one am very happy with the story as a whole and think this is about as close to the old choose your own adventure books as one can get.

this is NOT the tale of the warden. this is the tale of the champion of kirkwall. sure he helped overturn through thier actions the whole system unpon which the world was currently under. and I for one, am glad they did it.

in simplest terms.
DA:O is cake
DA2 is pie
Both as tasty and both may be made by the same baker but that doesn't mean they have to always be eaten the same way or taste the same and if you have too much of it at once you loose the flavor.