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[Jaison1986]

Just about the only character trait that I really identified with in Anders was his love of cats, lol. Other than that, I didn't really consider him to be all that likeable even in Awakening, especially not when compared to characters like Nathaniel and Sigrun. It's curious to see him object to the notion of the Libertarians' vying to cut ties with the Chantry entirely, should you have him in the party when you talk to Wynne in the city of Amaranthine.

 

Anyway, I think it's safe to say that Justice within Anders is pretty much a demon in its own right. It clearly puts the rage of its host over the welfare of others, like when Ella can possibly be slain for her simply calling him a demon. On top of that, its indignation is very specific, and really won't address any other injustice. It's just unfortunate that this doesn't really show itself unless Hawke is being an evil dick and hands Fenris over to his sinister slave master. I typically kept Anders in the group for as long as I could for metagaming reasons, but nowadays, after Dissent, I always dismiss him from the group entirely (I make sure he's not using any of my valuable stuff). The whole avatar-state freakout in the Chantry and everywhere else is bad enough, but his possible murder of an innocent person for simply speaking out in fear is an indelible mark against him. Another interesting case of Anders being a serious hazard is if you have him in the party when playing Legacy. Out of curiosity, I wanted to see what his contribution was, considering that he's a Grey Warden, and I was surprised to see him freak out, go full Justice-glow, and summon demons to attack Hawke's group.

 

What I find really ironic is that even Merrill, a blood mage, will not summon demons to attack you should she turn on you at the end of the game.

 

As for the question in the title, no, I don't think he's a martyr for the free mage cause, because a cause is meaningless without some alternative to aspire to. He's a corrupted, possessed abomination.

 

Some times I'm just tempted to tell Anders to ****** off, but then I remember the only other mage in the team that can use healing and haste is locked in the gallows, ugh.

 

The whole Legacy thing is Corypheus fault tough, since he is the one controling Anders mind.

[KaiserShep]

That's a fair point. As for the healer, if I play a mage, it doesn't really make much of a difference, but for the rogue, I at least get Bethany for the DLC's and the final battle.

[congokong]

Just about the only character trait that I really identified with in Anders was his love of cats, lol. Other than that, I didn't really consider him to be all that likeable even in Awakening, especially not when compared to characters like Nathaniel and Sigrun. It's curious to see him object to the notion of the Libertarians' vying to cut ties with the Chantry entirely, should you have him in the party when you talk to Wynne in the city of Amaranthine.

 

I didn't understand that in Awakening either. He should've supported the libertarians. Wynne of course was a chantry sheep.

 

 

What I find really ironic is that even Merrill, a blood mage, will not summon demons to attack you should she turn on you at the end of the game.

You have to really work at it to get Merrill to attack you. She's one of the most compliant characters even when it comes to killing fellow mages. Seems Hawke can talk people into anything including getting Anders to annul the Circle or get Fenris to agree with keeping Orana as a slave.

 

 

As for the question in the title, no, I don't think he's a martyr for the free mage cause, because a cause is meaningless without some alternative to aspire to. He's a corrupted, possessed abomination.

 

That's one of the things that felt lazy about the writing. They didn't dive deep enough into the mage problem to present alternatives. Just free the mages and it will be happy days? Thrask and other templars were advocating a mage-templar BFF ideal which just sounded idiotic.

 

As for Anders, he's kind of humorous as a somewhat functional abomination. Justice became an atypical demon.

[CrabbyCrackers]

I really liked anders, I know he blew up the chantry but i don't fully blame him, i blame justice.

Spoiler

at one point justice comes out to pretty much tell you to leave anders the bleep alone because he doesn't want you to tell anders hes going to far.

i blame justice for the whole thing.  If justice was not in anders and anders hated the chantry i do not believe he would of did what he did. he had no interest in it, until justice taked to him in awakenings and convinced him he should take up the fight against the templers and the chantry. 

   I don't think he was evil, i don't think he was a martyr. i think he was no different then someone who was brain washed, only his happened with in him.

[BioWareM0d13]

I don't think Anders is entirely blameless.

 

Had Justice instead joined with a mage who was more similar to Wynne or Irving, I don't think there would have been any mass-murders. While Anders became a terrorist in part because of the influence of Justice, Justice also became a vengeful spirit because of the influence of Anders. The problem with the Justice-Anders combo is that they both fed off the worst and most dangerous parts of each others personality. It was like the perfect storm. 

[KaiserShep]

I wouldn't fully blame Anders sans Justice, but with both he and Justice being tied into one entity, it makes no difference. I think Justice should no longer be permitted to linger about in a mortal shell.

[congokong]

Anders is not blameless. The DA2 Anders is merge of Justice and Anders. He shares Anders' desire for mage freedom with Justice's pursuit of ...justice. Hence, DA2 Anders' primary concern is justice for mages at the absence of much else. Awakening Anders was a very different person. He was far more cheerful. You can see that merging with Justice made him something new.

[Exaltation]

He is neither,at the endgame it says Hawke's name becomes inspiration for Templars/Mages.