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[Flunkorg]

BeljoraDien wrote...

Flunkorg wrote...

If I wanna play a "true" RPG, Il call a bunch of my friends up, make some foam weapons, wear a cape and call my self Sir Maximus.

You'd have to pay me WAY more than $60 to do that.

What? Not as embarrasing as one might think. And it beats any RPG video game any day.
You could find youtube videos of people doing this, there have been some with hundreds of people playing at once.

Modifié par Flunkorg, 15 mars 2011 - 07:06 .

[morgueanna]

errant_knight wrote...


I think you missed the point here, pretty much totally. They don't have to make a game with deep gameplay like DA:O to make money. They can make a shorter, glitzier, and simpler game to make just as much money. Sadly, maybe more. It's not about ecconmics. Ecconomics says appeal to the lowest common denominator and push them out the door.

Perhaps you will buy a poorly made product over and over again from a company that continues to display bad business decisions, but most people will not.  If the games Bioware chooses to make don't appeal, they won't sell.

So yeah, we're back to a basic economics class.

[catofnine]

$70 is my limit for a collector's edition, and there had better be some serious swag attached i.e. Fallout 3 lunch box, art book, pip boy etc.

I'd not have paid $60 for DA2 though, and I didn't--paid $45 during a xmas special.

Modifié par catofnine, 15 mars 2011 - 07:09 .

[errant_knight]

morgueanna wrote...

errant_knight wrote...


I think you missed the point here, pretty much totally. They don't have to make a game with deep gameplay like DA:O to make money. They can make a shorter, glitzier, and simpler game to make just as much money. Sadly, maybe more. It's not about ecconmics. Ecconomics says appeal to the lowest common denominator and push them out the door.

Perhaps you will buy a poorly made product over and over again from a company that continues to display bad business decisions, but most people will not.  If the games Bioware chooses to make don't appeal, they won't sell.

So yeah, we're back to a basic economics class.

Never mind. You're still missing the OP's point.

[Kajan451]

No, i wouldn't pay more. New Games are expensive enough as it is, and their quality seems to get worse with every year that passes. So no, no dice.

[BeljoraDien]

morgueanna wrote...

errant_knight wrote...


I think you missed the point here, pretty much totally. They don't have to make a game with deep gameplay like DA:O to make money. They can make a shorter, glitzier, and simpler game to make just as much money. Sadly, maybe more. It's not about ecconmics. Ecconomics says appeal to the lowest common denominator and push them out the door.

Perhaps you will buy a poorly made product over and over again from a company that continues to display bad business decisions, but most people will not.  If the games Bioware chooses to make don't appeal, they won't sell.

So yeah, we're back to a basic economics class.

But ****ty games ARE appealing... People are eating them up. It makes sense for a niche market to charge more for quality....

[ashwind]

Remake Dragon Age Origins (Including Awakening + Witch Hunt) using the new art style, combat system, voice acting and I am willing to pay them $120

[Icinix]

Australian - $90 for regular game, $120 for collectors edition, $60 for digital download version. There are exceptions, but generally thats about my cut off point for each version.

[Kopawapatezi]

BeljoraDien wrote...

morgueanna wrote...

Why should I have to pay more for a 'better' game? Almost every new game is the same price, much as every new cd and every new movie is the same price. It's the developer's job to create a game that I find enjoyable to get me to spend my money. Why would I pay 'more' when I could just...not pay for a game I don't want?

Seriously, take an economics class.

Yeah, but then you get the situation where games appeal to the lowest common denominator to maximize profit. There are people, like me, who are looking for a video game that can be considered a high art. You pay more to eat at a fine dining restaurant than at McDonalds.

Then only God knows why you've been wasting your time and money with Bioware for all these years.

[slipknotts]

@night0205: "The thing about Morrowind is you walk all over creation... literally... even to do minor quests. You spend I would say 80% of that game walking around if not more."

you must not be familiar with console commands for Bethesda games COC and COE (center on cell and center on exterior) are your fast travels in Morrowind, although there are a few (at least) mods that do fast travel for TES3.

personally, I'll take an Elder Scrolls game any day of the week over Dragon Age. Ever noticed how you *ALWAYS* have to talk to somebody first, *before* you can enter combat in DA? I can't stand that -- and it totally ruins any chance of getting a surprise attack / ambush. Why? because I have to talk to somebody first! ***LAME***

[The Minority]

I don't believe in the term "true rpg".

I mean if DA2 was the first RPG ever made, that would make it a "true RPG"

[Buffy-Summers]

I would pay double for a truly complex RPG about the length of Fallout 3 (120 hours)


There are 2 problems with this hybrid RPGs

They are short (i dont care if it took you 50 hours to finish) thats still short

Fallout 3 if you did everything was 120 +

They are dumbed down

I want some thing with perks, attributes, skills, spells, perks, talents, give me choices topped on top of choices

Make replay a real value

[BeljoraDien]

Kopawapatezi wrote...

BeljoraDien wrote...

morgueanna wrote...

Why should I have to pay more for a 'better' game? Almost every new game is the same price, much as every new cd and every new movie is the same price. It's the developer's job to create a game that I find enjoyable to get me to spend my money. Why would I pay 'more' when I could just...not pay for a game I don't want?

Seriously, take an economics class.

Yeah, but then you get the situation where games appeal to the lowest common denominator to maximize profit. There are people, like me, who are looking for a video game that can be considered a high art. You pay more to eat at a fine dining restaurant than at McDonalds.

Then only God knows why you've been wasting your time and money with Bioware for all these years.

I guess my definition of high art would include the BG games. DAO... it was getting there, but not quite. It doesn't seem irrational to expect them to be able to output a game like that in the future given the right monetary incentives.

[FirstCitizen800]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

I would pay double for a truly complex RPG about the length of Fallout 3 (120 hours)


There are 2 problems with this hybrid RPGs

They are short (i dont care if it took you 50 hours to finish) thats still short

Fallout 3 if you did everything was 120 +

They are dumbed down

I want some thing with perks, attributes, skills, spells, perks, talents, give me choices topped on top of choices

Make replay a real value

Eh, this is how I'm feeling about DA2 and Bioware and RPGs right now.

http://www.dailymoti...k-you-rmx_music

Modifié par FirstCitizen800, 15 mars 2011 - 07:37 .

[CroGamer002]

DA2 is true RPG as well.

[CroGamer002]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

I would pay double for a truly complex RPG about the length of Fallout 3 (120 hours)


There are 2 problems with this hybrid RPGs

They are short (i dont care if it took you 50 hours to finish) thats still short

Fallout 3 if you did everything was 120 +

They are dumbed down

I want some thing with perks, attributes, skills, spells, perks, talents, give me choices topped on top of choices

Make replay a real value

50 hours is SHORT for you?!

Are you batsh*t insane?!

[morgueanna]

I didn't miss the original point at all, and already answered it when a completely different point was raised.

The original question was would I be willing to pay more money for a game that I consider to be 'a true rpg'. My original response is still the same: The average game, no matter how much time, effort or company involved, is average price of 60 dollars. Why would I pay more for a product than what the market has already determined to be the fair value of the product, when the product in question has always varied in quality?

When Morrowind was released, it was 50 dollars. It took years to create. It was the same price as Final Fantasy, which is churned out like clockwork every year to two years. There was a Sims game that came out at the time, and I think a Star Wars game or two around the same time. They were also 'meh' quality games that more than likely weren't in as extensive production as Morrowind.

But they were the same price.

What you're asking me is if I want to pay more than everyone else in the gaming market because I want something more tailored to my tastes, when I could easily do what I do now- wait it out because I do have money that companies want and eventually they will cater to me.

How did that not answer 'the point'?

[Monica83]

of course yes i prefear quality and im ready to pay more for it

[Pink Leaf]

For Origins with all the DLC that was suppose to be in the game on release, but not all the rubbish DLC there after, I would have gladly given up to £20 more for the game.

[MatHeadGetz]

No ... In Australia here our dollar is the same if not higher than US at the moment and we STILL have to pay $90-$100 for a new release... I paid $89 for DA2... so no I wouldn't pay anymore.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I've paid far more than $60 (2011 dollars) in the past. I see no reason why I wouldn't do it now.

[CRISIS1717]

You will get the same game but pay more because EA and Bioware are focussed on quick turnover of profits.

[Hulevia]

I bought Dragon Age with handbook, and with lot of dlc and i dont feel it is expensive for DA:O. I am not a proffession rp player. But i had to think to the things in DA:O. It was like a book. Extremely deep. Now i am dissapointed to see DA2 is rather a Dragin effect 2 without ages Unfortunately EA dont feel what mean real rp. I understand it need to be Mass effect's level too because a company live from profit. But YOU shouldnt have taken away Dragon Age's world us!

[Braag]

I'm not willing to pay more, why should I?
But I could wait longer to get a great RPG in return... you know... instead of a rushed one.

[Hulevia]

*Dragon