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[BeljoraDien]

Bowmangr wrote...

Don't bother with Drogo45. He works for EA or is a 14 year old. Just check his profile and see his post history. "DA2 is the best RPG you'll play this year" my ***.

For people who don't know, DROGO 4.5 is a forum bot tasked with "increasing general enthusiasm and calming riotous disappointment for the recently released Dragon Age II ™" Here's a break down of the personality traits programmed into DROGO:

DROGO posts in every DA2 thread.
DROGO posts simple sentences.
DROGO likes DA2.

DROGO does not sleep.
DROGO does not post more than one line at a time.
DROGO does not like people who do not like DA2.

Modifié par BeljoraDien, 15 mars 2011 - 08:53 .

[Drogo45]

I post more than one line at a time.

See.

[BeljoraDien]

Drogo45 wrote...

I post more than one line at a time.

See.

Change your name to DROGO50 then! That wasn't supposed to be released 'til the next update.

[Taliesin Emrys]

What is a "True RPG"?, such statements being value judgments are highly subjective and thus open to debate.

Nevertheless I'll throw my hat into the ring.

My initial foray into RPG's began with, (like many), Dungeon & Dragons. Not the 'prefab' adventures either, but the ones where a DM labouriously fleshed out a world, hand drawn maps and all. A true feast of the imagination.r

Immersion is the key factor for me, in terms of story line, interaction with NPCs, it certainly helps if the game is great to look at. In other words a "True RPG" to me is one where I can sit down and get lost in the 'experience'.

I still to this day, replay games like Gothic & Gothic II, dust of Morrowind, & Oblivion, and more recently ArcaniA & Divinity II have made their way to my top shelf.

I also thoroughly enjoyed, Diablo II, Divine Divinity.

On the second shelf are, (apologies to Bioware), games like Baldurs Gate and Neverwinter Nights, and more recently Dragon Age I.

I enjoyed them immensely; good story lines and replay enjoyabilty, but given the lower 'immersion coefficient' due to the isometric viewpoint of play / strategy element, not my kind of top shelf stuff.

I don't mind the likes of Dungeon Siege, for a bit of harmless Fantasy themed time wasting fun.

I'm not much of a fan of the faster paced so called Action RPG's. For me an endless, click fest / keyboard mashing 'kill everything that moves' kind of game is hardly fun.

Unfortunatley, with the trend towards favouring Action RPG's with a more console weighted game play, what I consider to be "True RPGs" are a dying breed.

To answer the original question, "Would you pay more for a true RPG?"

Most definitely, because in this day and age "True RPGs", are as rare as frogs feathers.

Modifié par Taliesin Emrys, 15 mars 2011 - 09:10 .

[Grey21]

Back in the ''2D and 20 pixels'' days it wasnt all that hard to pump out content. Then Bioware could have gotten away with the repetitive DA2 side quests as well.

BG2 is no benchmark for today's games. In terms of playtime DA2 offers plenty, and I wouldnt ask for more. I just want it to be more enjoyable. But as far as storydriven games go there is only so much content that you can create before the story has to end. If you want long lasting RPGs then go for freeroamers such as The Elder Scrolls or MMOs such as WoW.

[Nightfish103]

I'd pay a ridiculous amount of money for a game like Planescape: Torment. For me, that even surpases BG2. The thing is, a few hardcore fans willing to shell out big bucks cannot compete with the masses yearning for more casual games.

[Lafiniel]

 i only pay more if its collectors edition that gives cool items like coins or usb memory sticks or good art books.

da 2 was good and cheap so meeeh i cba this ranting anymore:ph34r:

[AkiKishi]

Nightrain50 wrote...

$60 is more than enough for a game. Do the math. If they sold 3 million copies that's 180 million dollars. How much profit do you need? I don't buy this games are getting too expensive to make crap. It doesn't add up.

That's not how profit is calculated.

From that, you take out dev costs, retail mark-up etc. It's not even close to $60 profit.

[epiccrabs]

Mesina2 wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

I would pay double for a truly complex RPG about the length of Fallout 3 (120 hours)


There are 2 problems with this hybrid RPGs

They are short (i dont care if it took you 50 hours to finish) thats still short

Fallout 3 if you did everything was 120 +

They are dumbed down

I want some thing with perks, attributes, skills, spells, perks, talents, give me choices topped on top of choices

Make replay a real value

50 hours is SHORT for you?!

Are you batsh*t insane?!

Yes 50 hours is short if you're just gonna play through it once. Choices here are stupid, they don't have an effect on the main story. In fallout, you can do whatever the f*ck you want.

[apoc_reg]

I dont care about the price if its worthwhile, i do care about paying full price for a rushed experienc ethat clearly could and should have been better.

More locations, more classes, more more more.

I dont think its dumbing down its just a RUSH JOB

[Hulevia]

BeljoraDien wrote...

Bowmangr wrote...

Don't bother with Drogo45. He works for EA or is a 14 year old. Just check his profile and see his post history. "DA2 is the best RPG you'll play this year" my ***.

For people who don't know, DROGO 4.5 is a forum bot tasked with "increasing general enthusiasm and calming riotous disappointment for the recently released Dragon Age II ™" Here's a break down of the personality traits programmed into DROGO:

DROGO posts in every DA2 thread.
DROGO posts simple sentences.
DROGO likes DA2.

DROGO does not sleep.
DROGO does not post more than one line at a time.
DROGO does not like people who do not like DA2.

Hehe

[MaglorArcanist]

If they had to do another rush job like this no more buy on release and wait for crismast steam offers.
Dragon age 2 don't justify 60 bucks, 50 but not 60.

[Vollkeule]

perhaps, but i would not pay 60$ for a game like Dragon Age 2... which i did unfortunatly because I expected something different.

[Alerus Aegus]

I have played a true RPG last year. It is called Demons souls and  CE version was 85 EUR. I have put at least 500 hours of gameplay into that game.

[xenn]

I paid more than enough money for DA2. EA is not getting any more from me until its ups its game.

[GregoriusMaximus]

Mesina2 wrote...

50 hours is SHORT for you?!

Are you batsh*t insane?!

25 hours is definitely short; and that's about how long DA2 takes you if you play slow and casual and do absolutely everything in the game.

[Algus]

I would pay more in the sense that I would have preferred spending a year supporting them through DLC so they'd have the time to do DA2 right.

[Ostagar2011]

There's an easy way out here for BioWare. Take $120 on escrow for a 60 hour Origins II, EA store only, non refundable. When (if) pre-orders reach 1m, then make it. You have the engine, the lore, the art. All you need is new levels and voice acting. Should be (comparatively) cheap to make. Then you can dumb away at Dragon Age 3 - heck you can even include killstreaks for all I care.

The core RPG fans will be happy, and won't twitter your company into oblivion any more. You have guaranteed 1m sales at $120 for relatively low investment.

Or have you lost too much faith in the genre to even evaluate things like that?

[jds1bio]

I think the better question is "Would you be willing to pay to post your feelings of disappointment and betrayal and mourning over the death of true RPGs in these forums"?

[Tripedius]

For something like BG2 with over 100 hours of playtime I would gladly pay double. Seems fair cause nowadays you pay 50 euro's for less than 50 hours. BG2 was massive so if I had to pay more for such lenght (and not even talking about quality) I would do it. Besides better a bigger game for more money than all this DLC nonsense which is basicly the same thing.

[DinoCrisisFan]

yellow cake wrote...

better be the best rpg ever

[DeepRazor]

WTF guys.. Drago45 is awesome.. i love his post..always makes me smile haha

[GunClubGirl]

I think $60 is already a lot.But I may be swayed to pay up to twice that much IF and only if the game had at least 150 hours of gameplay including all optional activities and I knew the game would be an exceptional experience. I cannot see myself paying three times the normal price though. And I would not spend that much unless it was available on consoles. I prefer console gaming so $60 is my absolute limit on pc games, no exceptions.

[DinoCrisisFan]

Why should I have to pay more for something that the game should have been to begin with?

Modifié par DinoCrisisFan, 15 mars 2011 - 01:03 .

[Drogo45]

Alerus Aegus wrote...

I have played a true RPG last year. It is called Demons souls and  CE version was 85 EUR. I have put at least 500 hours of gameplay into that game.

Demon's Souls is also an amazing game.......  Very much looking forward to Dark Souls.