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[Kimarous]

So we have a pretty good idea of Flemeth under her Flemeth persona, but what's up with her Ashe'bellanar persona? We know practically nothing about her under that name... what the name means, what she means to the Dalish, or even the details surrounding her "appointment". Worst of all, we don't even seem able to inquire about it to them.

We know Flemeth just fine, but who's "Ashe'bellanar"?

[MachDelta]

Persona?
It's the same... thing (witch? creature? demon? dragon? god?), that's just her elven name. Kinda like how elves call the Fade "The Beyond". Same place, different language.

Modifié par MachDelta, 15 mars 2011 - 07:59 .

[Kimarous]

It's more the matter of "Why do the Dalish revere her while everybody else fears her?"

[Steel Hurtin]

Probably for the same reason the Dalish don't lock their mages away.

[AntiChri5]

She used to be a stripper for the Dalish.

They adore her for it.

[Steel Hurtin]

AntiChri5 wrote...

She used to be a stripper for the Dalish.

They adore her for it.

She had this awesome encore where she turned into a dragon and then flew into an amulet.

[Nhadalie]

I got the impression that they revere her because she's a powerful mage/abomination/legend/whatever the hell she is. It seemed like less of revering her as in hero worship, and more of "She's really dangerous, and kind of scary. So it'd be smart to be very respectful of her."


I'm pretty sure her "appointment" was a reference to her second meeting with the Warden. Whether the Warden would kill her, or make a deal with her. It could possibly reference her going after Morrigan too though.

Modifié par Nhadalie, 15 mars 2011 - 09:59 .

[greyman33]

I had the impression that the Dalish respect her (along with a healthy fear) for the connection with nature she seems to have (particularly as that connection is described in one of the DA novels). The wilds seem to serve her, and the Dalish, with their desire to return to the old ways of their people, would have to show a deep respect for that.

Also, while this is pure speculation on my part, as a being who has been around longer than most (or all) other known creatures walking the surface of Thedas, and one who has proven to be not unwilling to trade with people from time-to-time; she may well have bartered vital pieces of information to the Dalish about the history and language of their people, which otherwise may have been lost to time.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

I thought it was pretty clear that Flemeth was not only Asha'bellanar to the Dalish, but even something else beyond that to a select few of them (probably the Keepers and Keepers in training). Hence Flemeth's question to Merrill if she knew what Flemeth was beyond the name.

It irritated me so much that the writers purposely had that conversation between Flemeth and Merrill and then didn't let you ever bring it up in conversation. Letting us know we have this companion with more info on everyone's favorite mystery woman but being incapable of finding out what that companion knows.

Being an author watching fan reaction must be fun at times.

[AlexXIV]

I don't think we know what exactly she is or did to the Dalish. We only really know that the Dalish call her so

She says it herself to Merrill. They know nothing about her beyond that title. Probably they only know her from legends, like the Chasind legends about Flemeth.

[AlexXIV]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

I thought it was pretty clear that Flemeth was not only Asha'bellanar to the Dalish, but even something else beyond that to a select few of them (probably the Keepers and Keepers in training). Hence Flemeth's question to Merrill if she knew what Flemeth was beyond the name.

It irritated me so much that the writers purposely had that conversation between Flemeth and Merrill and then didn't let you ever bring it up in conversation. Letting us know we have this companion with more info on everyone's favorite mystery woman but being incapable of finding out what that companion knows.

Being an author watching fan reaction must be fun at times.

It was the same with Morrigan. I could have asked alot more questions, if I ... you know, if I could.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 15 mars 2011 - 02:20 .

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

AlexXIV wrote...

I don't think we know what exactly she is or did to the Dalish. We only really know that the Dalish call her so

She says it herself to Merrill. They know nothing about her beyond that title. Probably they only know her from legends, like the Chasind legends about Flemeth.

Merrill responds she knows a little, and Flemeth then responds that in that case, Merrill should not be so subservient (paraphrased, of course). That sure doesn't seem like they only know the title to me.

[David Gaider]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...
Being an author watching fan reaction must be fun at times.

It's something, I'll give you that.

[LPPrince]

David Gaider wrote...

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...
Being an author watching fan reaction must be fun at times.

It's something, I'll give you that.

Tears of joy and pain, haha.

[ashwind]

I think Ashe'bellanar means a very very very old hag in elvish

Source: In the Witch Hunt DLC - the elf said Ashe'bellanar means the Women of many years.

[AlexXIV]

David Gaider wrote...

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...
Being an author watching fan reaction must be fun at times.

It's something, I'll give you that.

Shouldn't you be busy rewriting the 'All that remains' quest right now so I can save Hawke's mother?

[AlexXIV]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

I don't think we know what exactly she is or did to the Dalish. We only really know that the Dalish call her so

She says it herself to Merrill. They know nothing about her beyond that title. Probably they only know her from legends, like the Chasind legends about Flemeth.

Merrill responds she knows a little, and Flemeth then responds that in that case, Merrill should not be so subservient (paraphrased, of course). That sure doesn't seem like they only know the title to me.

That's why I think she probably knows legends like the Chasind.

[AlexXIV]

sapientia24 wrote...

maybe its just me but when you talk to the keeper marathari and ask her about flemeth, the keeper says that the dalish are bound to flemeth. What does that mean really?there is different types of being bound ie asha'bellenar saves your life etc.

another thing when you ask merril about the ritual she says that the ritual is sort of a funeral.

Merril seemed surprised that you survived an encounter with ash'bellanar. Since Merril says that usually no one survives a meeting whith asha'bellanar. They end up dead.

Unless they are my Warden, in which case Asha'bellanar ends up dead.

[RosaAquafire]

There's a scene with the Dalish and Flemeth in the Stolen Throne, too. There's definitely SOMETHING going on there.

[AlexXIV]

It's probalby because bloodmagic. Likely the elves did use a sort of it in the old days of Arlathan. Just more controlled. Like Merrill maybe. Even though she failed to resist the demon in the Fade. But anyway, I think the fact that Flemeth is some sort of old dragon, maybe Old God, and a bloodmage/shapechanger at that, which connects her with 'The People'. The Pariah path Merril uses seems to be a remainder of the old elven magic to me. Maybe Flemeth is the one who teaches it.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 15 mars 2011 - 03:32 .

[StarcloudSWG]

"Do you know who I am, beyond that title?"
"Only a little, Asha'bellanar."
"Then stand. The people bend their knee too quickly."

Implication: There is a reason the Dalish should worship/be respectful of her, but Flemeth will not accept respect that is granted without a good, known reason.

[Nyaore]

AlexXIV wrote...

sapientia24 wrote...

maybe its just me but when you talk to the keeper marathari and ask her about flemeth, the keeper says that the dalish are bound to flemeth. What does that mean really?there is different types of being bound ie asha'bellenar saves your life etc.

another thing when you ask merril about the ritual she says that the ritual is sort of a funeral.

Merril seemed surprised that you survived an encounter with ash'bellanar. Since Merril says that usually no one survives a meeting whith asha'bellanar. They end up dead.

Unless they are my Warden, in which case Asha'bellanar ends up dead.

Question is though, did she let the Warden kill her or not? I wouldn't put it past her to put the Warden, and Morrigan, into a false sense of security just to further one of her many goals.

[Darth Obvious]

Asha'bellanar translates to "epic character that is introduced early in the story, only to be completely ignored thereafter in place of silly characters like Meredith".