In my first playthrough, Hawke's entire direct family died....I thought it was very well done, the emotional scenes. What do you think? Do you believe it added anything to the story? I think it gave a rather tragic element to Hawke and her history. And the scenes actually made me sympathise.
Hawke's Family
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DefiantRain Still Me
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 08:27
Myusha
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Your first sibling's death needed more...sorrow!
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 10:53
DefiantRain Still Me
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That did irk me, but then again, they are in a bit of a hurry....If I was in that situation, I'd be utterly enraged, and reflecting on the fact that they would no longer be present in my life, but I can understand the lack of sorrow and grief there, they have to flee....but the other deaths are really good, they are brilliantly done and the emotion there is realistic and it sounds real in the voice acting.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 11:30
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On my first playthrough as a Mage I didn't really care about my sister dying didn't know her really, but when my brother joined the templars I was emotionally invested and got really pissed off, when I met him again in late Act3 I tried to get him to fight me, I wanted to hurt the guy.
On my second playthrough as a Rogue again I didn't care about the first death, but when Bethanny died in the Deep Roads (didn't know it was going to happen) I restarted the game because I loved her character. I honestly got tearful and started over so I could bring Anders along to save her life.
On my second playthrough as a Rogue again I didn't care about the first death, but when Bethanny died in the Deep Roads (didn't know it was going to happen) I restarted the game because I loved her character. I honestly got tearful and started over so I could bring Anders along to save her life.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 01:28
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Yeah...I really liked Bethany...Carver, not so much.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 01:47
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So far I've had a mixed bag. Bethany was interesting and I would have loved to have known her better. Carver is now a Grey Warden, but he is unlikely to father any children, That leaves my FemHawke who can help to carry on the family name, but time will tell, since she's involved with Isabela right now. At least she will still have uncle Gamlen and her first cousin (the Warden), but again, those two are unlikely to be able to continue the Amell and Hawke family lines. She really has lost a lot come to think of it...
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 01:54
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Carver and Leandra are dead, Bethany is a mage and Aria is inseparable from Isabela... I really hope she left the family name/estate to Charade and not Gamlen again, otherwise the Amell name is screwed.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 01:55
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Honestly, I thought it was too much. I wanted my mother to get the chance to complain about me dating an elf, but she died the moment Merrill moved in. Really, just taking out every family member one by one was...too much, tooooo much. The mom death was unneeded and sad.
I mean, if you don't make the right choices, it could go BAM lose your sibling. BAM lose your other sibling. BAM lose your mom.
I mean, if you don't make the right choices, it could go BAM lose your sibling. BAM lose your other sibling. BAM lose your mom.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 01:58
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I liked the aspect of family, particularly with Carver, since jealousy is a real part of families and it brought out emotions we wouldn't get with some of the other characters because they hadn't known Hawke all his life.
Bethany I found to be a bit of a snoozer, though. I'm not inclined to do many more warrior/rogue playthroughs since the plot difference between them is her or Carver, and Carver's more interesting. Perhaps if they both went to Kirkwall, it might have been different, but if I have to pick one, it's going to be the jealous one.
Bethany I found to be a bit of a snoozer, though. I'm not inclined to do many more warrior/rogue playthroughs since the plot difference between them is her or Carver, and Carver's more interesting. Perhaps if they both went to Kirkwall, it might have been different, but if I have to pick one, it's going to be the jealous one.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 02:05
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Killing one sibling early and killing Leandra were necessary I think to proboke a strong emotional responce. But killing or taking away the other sibling as well was just overkill.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 02:08
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Ashaman X wrote...
So far I've had a mixed bag. Bethany was interesting and I would have loved to have known her better. Carver is now a Grey Warden, but he is unlikely to father any children, That leaves my FemHawke who can help to carry on the family name, but time will tell, since she's involved with Isabela right now. At least she will still have uncle Gamlen and her first cousin (the Warden), but again, those two are unlikely to be able to continue the Amell and Hawke family lines. She really has lost a lot come to think of it...
Gamlen has a daughter, she can continue the line.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 02:35
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Silentmode wrote...
Killing one sibling early and killing Leandra were necessary I think to proboke a strong emotional responce. But killing or taking away the other sibling as well was just overkill.
i agree.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 04:19
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When I lost li'l Carver in the Deep Roads I was wrecked. I tried to go on for roleplaying's sake, but guilt and grief tore at me so terribly I had to reload and leave him in Kirkwall.
And then he vanished for the rest of the game. I disapprove, Bioware. There wasn't a single full convo with him after that. Not even an itty bitty snippet of conversation about Mother? Lame.
And I cried when Leandra was killed. It's the first time in my life I actually cry because of a videogame. So well done on that, Bio.
And then he vanished for the rest of the game. I disapprove, Bioware. There wasn't a single full convo with him after that. Not even an itty bitty snippet of conversation about Mother? Lame.
And I cried when Leandra was killed. It's the first time in my life I actually cry because of a videogame. So well done on that, Bio.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 04:29
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I loved it all. It was poignant, as it should have been. The gradual loss of Hawke's family tears at you, makes you cling to the few family you have left (when I found Charade, it was an amazing sense. . . I'd lost so much family, now, finally, I was GAINING one. I just wish there had been a bit more interaction with her.) Personally, I like Bethany a lot more than Carver, but I haven't played a Mage yet, so it'll be interesting when I do. I just love the inseparable "twinness" of Bethany and Hawke.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 04:45
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Don't you get an opportunity to tell GW!Carver that Leandra's dead when he shows up with the other Wardens during the Qunari invasion?And then he vanished for the rest of the game. I disapprove, Bioware. There wasn't a single full convo with him after that. Not even an itty bitty snippet of conversation about Mother? Lame.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 04:49
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Leandra's death made me cry.
At the beginning of the game, Carver's death didn't matter much to me - but I have a feeling that on my next playthrough with a mage Hawke, Bethany's death really will, and having Carver along will help him grow on me. I really ended up caring about Bethany, but that was only after having time to have her with me.
At the beginning of the game, Carver's death didn't matter much to me - but I have a feeling that on my next playthrough with a mage Hawke, Bethany's death really will, and having Carver along will help him grow on me. I really ended up caring about Bethany, but that was only after having time to have her with me.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 05:06
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The first sibling death was expected, even before seeing the demo. Really, when does BioWare NOT kill an early companion? Bethany's fate was a crusher though. She wasn't most entertaining character, but I think her quiet sadness was a lot more affecting than Fenris' operatic moping.
Leandra though, and I've tried to made this point elsewhere on the boards, is just pointless and exploitative. It serves no real purpose to the plot, and it really seems forced, like BioWare couldn't quite think anything else to do and decided to go for a cheap emotional moment.
Leandra though, and I've tried to made this point elsewhere on the boards, is just pointless and exploitative. It serves no real purpose to the plot, and it really seems forced, like BioWare couldn't quite think anything else to do and decided to go for a cheap emotional moment.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 05:17
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Yeah, but Wesley is a far more obvious target and he's even injured!The first sibling death was expected, even before seeing the demo. Really, when does BioWare NOT kill an early companion?
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 06:05
DefiantRain Still Me
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I'm curious....can Leandra actually be saved or her death be prevented?
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 06:23
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As far as I know her Death is scripted. There is no saving grace.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 06:42
DefiantRain Still Me
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What happened to Depuis (sp?) anyway, I didnt tell the guard where he was and he never appeared again.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 07:01
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From the Leandra DLC thread, she could apparently be saved earlier in development, but so many people chose to save her (including playing from a previous save to change their actions if she did die), that the idea was scrapped because saving her wasn't the point of the mission. That's a paraphrased quote from David Gaider.
As for Hawke's family in general:
- I lost Bethany and while mother crying over her and saying, "I'll never forget you, Bethany" was chilling... Hawke had little emotional connection whatsoever.
- I lost Carver for a time to the Grey Wardens. I got him back in the end and loved the whole, "brother and sister together again" speech but found it somewhat annoying that at no point could we really connect as family. Cut out a romance scene and allow me to embrace my brother (or sister) after telling them that mother died... The emotional tie just kind of dead ends.
- Leandra, I did care for her. I hated her death, but not in a, "my mother's just been killed!" kind of way. Her death would have been more emotional if she was on the ground, wounded and dying... rather than being a stitched-together monster that could somehow still formulate complete sentences despite the whole... head stitched back on approach.
- Uncle Gamlen and Charade, after losing so much... I wanted nothing more than to invite one of them to live with me. After Leandra's death, I hoped that I could connect with my uncle. Instead, I do his quest, find out I have a living cousin, and the relationship with either of them ends there.
To be blunt, I loved having my family around (well, when they could be), but the emotional investment in caring for my family wasn't entirely there and likely could have been made a lot deeper. I mean... I felt Aveline and Donnic had more emotion to them than Leandra's death or getting to see my brother again after losing both mother and sister.
As for Hawke's family in general:
- I lost Bethany and while mother crying over her and saying, "I'll never forget you, Bethany" was chilling... Hawke had little emotional connection whatsoever.
- I lost Carver for a time to the Grey Wardens. I got him back in the end and loved the whole, "brother and sister together again" speech but found it somewhat annoying that at no point could we really connect as family. Cut out a romance scene and allow me to embrace my brother (or sister) after telling them that mother died... The emotional tie just kind of dead ends.
- Leandra, I did care for her. I hated her death, but not in a, "my mother's just been killed!" kind of way. Her death would have been more emotional if she was on the ground, wounded and dying... rather than being a stitched-together monster that could somehow still formulate complete sentences despite the whole... head stitched back on approach.
- Uncle Gamlen and Charade, after losing so much... I wanted nothing more than to invite one of them to live with me. After Leandra's death, I hoped that I could connect with my uncle. Instead, I do his quest, find out I have a living cousin, and the relationship with either of them ends there.
To be blunt, I loved having my family around (well, when they could be), but the emotional investment in caring for my family wasn't entirely there and likely could have been made a lot deeper. I mean... I felt Aveline and Donnic had more emotion to them than Leandra's death or getting to see my brother again after losing both mother and sister.
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Posté 16 mars 2011 - 03:08
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For me Bethany died so I have no idea what she's like.
Carver ... I love my bro. He was a massive jerk but my Hawke was still incredibly fond of him and when he left with the Grey Wardens I imagined her to be very torn up about it. I got a pang every time I ran into him and he had to leave again. As for Mother ... I've never been so saddened or so horrified while playing a game. I think I actually felt physically ill when she got up from that chair. I wish I could have tortured the man who did that rather than just beating him in some combat.
Gamlen ... I thought my Uncle was an ass and then grew terribly fond of him, was particuarly touched when Charade appeared.
Aveline and Varric aren't family, but they might as well have been. Aveline was the rock to my poor battered Hawke. She always lifted my spirits just knowing she was on my side. Varric was the same, he genuinely liked some of my companions who just all seemed to hate each other, he joked, spoke honestly. He was a fantastic character.
I romanced Anders and my (by this time) emotionally crippled femHawke couldn't kill him and instead ran off with him, I guess she thinks he can still be saved ... she's mad I know lol
Carver ... I love my bro. He was a massive jerk but my Hawke was still incredibly fond of him and when he left with the Grey Wardens I imagined her to be very torn up about it. I got a pang every time I ran into him and he had to leave again. As for Mother ... I've never been so saddened or so horrified while playing a game. I think I actually felt physically ill when she got up from that chair. I wish I could have tortured the man who did that rather than just beating him in some combat.
Gamlen ... I thought my Uncle was an ass and then grew terribly fond of him, was particuarly touched when Charade appeared.
Aveline and Varric aren't family, but they might as well have been. Aveline was the rock to my poor battered Hawke. She always lifted my spirits just knowing she was on my side. Varric was the same, he genuinely liked some of my companions who just all seemed to hate each other, he joked, spoke honestly. He was a fantastic character.
I romanced Anders and my (by this time) emotionally crippled femHawke couldn't kill him and instead ran off with him, I guess she thinks he can still be saved ... she's mad I know lol
