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[Catalyst38]

 I sided with the mages on my first run through the game and i felt a little cheated every one of them(except for my sister) turned into a blood mage or worse. I believe the circle is wrong and needs to be destroyed, Anders was right in what he did remove the illusion of a compromise and force there hands. I just felt a little cheated at the end there me and my group where all alone and had to run away how cheap.

So i reloaded and checked the Templar one it was so much better i mean i got to become king . Not everyone on my side died or become monsters then died . Maybe the Qunari have the right idea with what they do to Saarebas. The way this plays out makes me rethink my choice of saving the circle in ferelden as well. Till i played this game i was a mage sympathiser but now and a devote to andrasta(seeing her ashes validated her existence to me how can you not be a believer after that.

As far as i can say now after watching this unfold i think the only way worth promoting in the next game is the way of the qun. At least the qunari seam to have there **** together and are not protecting guards that rape elfs and cuddling blood mages. Tell me what you think of all this whats your opinion and why did you choice your side.

Modifié par Catalyst38, 15 mars 2011 - 09:22 .

[Mahtisonni]

Actually the amount of blood mages in Kirkwall made me suspect that Chantry is somehow breeding them to extend their power and considering how easily Meredith managed to "procure" two blood mages just for an example made me extremely suspicious.

Book of Blood magic is currently however the only evidence I have.
Why on earth was that blasted thing in the chantry? I thought that these things were confiscated by templars.

Then again if they did have such an operation I would hardly think they would be stupid enough to leave their books in public, but religious zealots were never really the smartest of people.

Modifié par Mahtisonni, 15 mars 2011 - 11:25 .

[Catalyst38]

Heh you might be right but still it's hard to side with the mages knowing how that all plays out

[Belrix]

I sided with the Templars even not knowing how it played out... had to agonize a bit, worrying about if I had to kill my own sister, but it ended up properly, in my opinion.

[sylvanaerie]

Not all of the mages were blood mages. If you scan your camera around right after the initial wave of Templars comes through (if on a mage playthrough) you see a bunch of mages making for the front door (or maybe tis the back not really sure in those inside areas). They survived and none of them were using blood magic during the fights. So, not only were they NOT blood mages but some mages did survive the Rite of Annulment, esp once you got rid of that ****, Meredith.
I think the thing that knocked the wind out of my mage-siding apostate's sails was watching Orsino use Blood magic and mentioning good ole' white lily killer as one of his study buddies in his rant.

[Blze001]

I sided with the mages. Seems like a good day: Wake up, eat breakfast, pack a sack-lunch, destabilize the entire continent and bring it to the brink of complete destruction, have some dinner...

[MrsAllister]

I originally sided with the mags, but reloaded after starting the lead up to the final battle and seeing how many blood mages keep spawning. Any circle with that much blood magic is a problem. I was having to kill all of the templars and most of the mages anyways. I figured some of Kirkwall had to survive so I switched to Templars but saved my sister.

I wish they had put more content in the game that made you start to really wonder how much evil was going on in the circle. They set you up with 3 apostates in your group. Plus having played DA:O with Wynn, I felt mages could be trusted with magic, even if they do need to be watched for signs of demonic possession. I would have loved to see hints at a connection to my mother's killer and the circle a lot sooner to make me question the circle more.

All along I was frustrated with the game because I couldn't get all my supporters to just oust Meridith and find a more level headed person to direct the templars so the mages didn't feel so oppressed. I could just see the conflict growing and growing, but I was never given a good enough choice to stem the chaos. They could have at least let me think the Chantry was about to get a backbone and help out just to have Anders/Justice do his thing (that's another part that could have used some tweaking, but I chalked it up to a psycho Justice). Just my 2 cents. Maybe on my next play thru I'll see if I can't send sis with the wardens and then side with the templars all along. Probably will wait for a few dlc's before I do that though.

[Pileyourbodies]

Yeah the templars are in the right here. When the first enchanter has been working with the dude who murdered your mom for the past 6 years the circle is lost. The one problem with the Kirkwall templars is that while meredith is sufficiently paranoid she isn't a very good leader. Shes terrible at telling people how damn dire the situation is.

[LobselVith8]

Considering the Viscount doesn't have any real power since the authority lies with the Order of Templars, I didn't find it compelling as a reason to side with Meredith against the mages. I prefer being free and answering to no one than being little more than a puppet leader in a templar run territory. I also don't think that the actions of one man - Orsino - condemn every mage man, woman, and child. I sided with the mages, not Orsino.

[Pileyourbodies]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Considering the Viscount doesn't have any real power since the authority lies with the Order of Templars, I didn't find it compelling as a reason to side with Meredith against the mages. I prefer being free and answering to no one than being little more than a puppet leader in a templar run territory. I also don't think that the actions of one man - Orsino - condemn every mage man, woman, and child. I sided with the mages, not Orsino.

Lobsel you always have to answer to someone. You answer to the law. 

It is more than just the Actions of Orsino it is the actions of all the blood mages throughout the game that lead to this.

Remember mages have no families beyond their parents, templars can have wives, children. Killing templars means far more innocents suffer than if you wipe out the mages. Yes i'm arguing that it is far more...convient to kill the mages because it is true.

[LobselVith8]

The mages have no families with them because the mages took them away from their families by force. I have no desire to murder innocent men, women, and children. If the soldiers willing to slaughter them might have families, that's tough. They should have thought of that before they followed orders to murder men, women, and children who aren't responsible for anything more than being born a mage. And the actions of a few mages and Orsino don't condemn all mages in Kirkwall.

[Pileyourbodies]

I only wish they were innocent. They broke the law and have engaged in open civil war. By the rite of Annulment, part of the law, ALL circle mages in kirkwall are condemned to death. Luckily you can force meredith to stay her hand.

[LobselVith8]

They broke the law by being born, you mean? Considering Meredith does nothing to Anders and decides to go after the Circle instead, who had nothing to do with what Anders did, I can't support her. She wants to kill people for being mages. That's the line of thinking I can't support.

[Gamer Ftw]

The circle had that much blood magic because they were desperate to be free and not be abused.
I sided with the mages the chantry deserved everything it got.
I just hope the elves uprise in a similar way.
The chantry oppresses anyone who doesn't believe as they do.
If magic is to serve man and not rule over him why are you locking people who can heal in towers?
who is that serving? I think they need to obey and give mages a chance to serve the world.

[Augustei]

LobselVith8 wrote...

They broke the law by being born, you mean? Considering Meredith does nothing to Anders and decides to go after the Circle instead, who had nothing to do with what Anders did, I can't support her. She wants to kill people for being mages. That's the line of thinking I can't support.

"The people will demand blood & I will give it to them" - Meredith
She wants to kill people to maintain order in the rest of the city

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 17 mars 2011 - 10:39 .

[AlexXIV]

The mage end is the better.

Simply because you fight for the oppressed, the innocent slaughtered for the vanity of Meredith.

No you don't get to be Viscount and the templars don't kneel to you.

But you fought the good fight.

It was clear before the fight started that the templars would win, because even if the templars of Kirkwall would be defeated there would be comming more. Until the last mage has fled or is fallen. So if you side with the mages Hawke chooses to fight for a lost cause, which is in my eyes more respectable than siding with the ones who will win anyway.

[Pileyourbodies]

You're not fighting for the oppressed you're fighting for people trying to revolt.

[AlexXIV]

Pileyourbodies wrote...

You're not fighting for the oppressed you're fighting for people trying to revolt.

Meredith wants all mages killed because of what Anders did. With no account to whether they are faithful or not or criminals or not, or whatever. They are supposed to die because they are mages, no more and no less.

[Pileyourbodies]

AlexXIV wrote...

Pileyourbodies wrote...

You're not fighting for the oppressed you're fighting for people trying to revolt.

Meredith wants all mages killed because of what Anders did. With no account to whether they are faithful or not or criminals or not, or whatever. They are supposed to die because they are mages, no more and no less.

No no she does not. She wants to use the right of Annulment against that circle. That circle is clearly too far gone to be redeemed just play the game and it is quite evident that the Kirkwall circle is too far gone. They're supposed to die because the circle is corrupted and if some uncorrupted mages must die well that sucks but it needs to be done, she doesn't care about mages in other circles she cares about mages in the kirkwall circle, and that circle is too far gone the First enchanter is a Maker Damned bloodmage when its gone that far the circle is doomed. Sucks for those few remaining good mages yeah but sometimes you need to use a hammer rather than a scaple. 

[AlexXIV]

Pileyourbodies wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Pileyourbodies wrote...

You're not fighting for the oppressed you're fighting for people trying to revolt.

Meredith wants all mages killed because of what Anders did. With no account to whether they are faithful or not or criminals or not, or whatever. They are supposed to die because they are mages, no more and no less.

No no she does not. She wants to use the right of Annulment against that circle. That circle is clearly too far gone to be redeemed just play the game and it is quite evident that the Kirkwall circle is too far gone. They're supposed to die because the circle is corrupted and if some uncorrupted mages must die well that sucks but it needs to be done, she doesn't care about mages in other circles she cares about mages in the kirkwall circle, and that circle is too far gone the First enchanter is a Maker Damned bloodmage when its gone that far the circle is doomed. Sucks for those few remaining good mages yeah but sometimes you need to use a hammer rather than a scaple. 

Well this discussion ends here, you are a real life zealot and I rather waste my time with something else.

[DKJaigen]

Pileyourbodies wrote...

I only wish they were innocent. They broke the law and have engaged in open civil war. By the rite of Annulment, part of the law, ALL circle mages in kirkwall are condemned to death. Luckily you can force meredith to stay her hand.

i believe this argument was brought up in the nuremburg trial it didnt work out so well for the defenders. You are also wrong the mages didn't break your precious law the templars did. while the morals of blowing up the chantry can be discussed in another thread it was clear that the circle wasn't responsible for the devastation.

[DKJaigen]

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

They broke the law by being born, you mean? Considering Meredith does nothing to Anders and decides to go after the Circle instead, who had nothing to do with what Anders did, I can't support her. She wants to kill people for being mages. That's the line of thinking I can't support.

"The people will demand blood & I will give it to them" - Meredith
She wants to kill people to maintain order in the rest of the city

that's not excusable.

[Rhys1984]

you're stuck between a hard place, another hard place, and general nastiness. dragon age darkness.

[DrGulag]

Templars every time.

The First Enchanter was partly responsible for the death of Hawke's mother and he showed his true colours at the end.

Pretty much the only responsible mage in my game was Bethany.

Modifié par DrGulag, 17 mars 2011 - 11:34 .

[Pileyourbodies]

DKJaigen wrote...

Pileyourbodies wrote...

I only wish they were innocent. They broke the law and have engaged in open civil war. By the rite of Annulment, part of the law, ALL circle mages in kirkwall are condemned to death. Luckily you can force meredith to stay her hand.

i believe this argument was brought up in the nuremburg trial it didnt work out so well for the defenders. You are also wrong the mages didn't break your precious law the templars did. while the morals of blowing up the chantry can be discussed in another thread it was clear that the circle wasn't responsible for the devastation.

No but the circle is responsible for a lot more.
Leandra hawk was murdered by an Maleficarum who worked with the first enchanter
Thrask a templar was murdered by a Maleficarum who had inflitrated the circle
Those templar recruits murdered by that cabal of circle mages who sought to turn some templars into abominations.
The templars from starkhaven whom were killed by their own mages
Thats just off the top of my head without going to the wiki/journal if i did there is more i'm sure.