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[Icy Magebane]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

There is never a peaceful evolution of change, no matter what anyone thinks. Change takes people with a radical attitude to get things done. Look at our own histories, America for example, the Revolutionary war, the Civil War, etc. Yes we don't like terroism but I can understand why radicals resort to it. They think there is no other option to the oppression and I think they're right. Humans are too complacent.

I understand your point, but Anders didn't even target the right people.  The problem was with the Templars.  The Revered Mother was even trying to bring a peaceful resolution, and he killed her!  That's nothing like any of the examples you gave.  Those wars didn't involve targeting innocent bystanders and neutral parties...

If Anders had targeted the Templars with that explosion, it would have been fine.  As it was, it just screwed everybody who was trying to bring peace to Kirkwall.

[lost lupus]

well as usual i royal stuufed my first mage build (now deleted from HHD) and so needed a healer anders  thus he lived

on my final mage playthrouth he will die not because i disagree with what he did (which i do)
but because i can not kill that coward prince "im going to raise an army"

option should be Hawke: "Varric............" Varric: "i hope you know what your doing.......hey Vael"
*Varric fires arror as Vael turns around the arrow hits him square in the eye he drops to the ground dead*
*Varric massages Bianca* "............Guess your cocking ring wasnt off*

Modifié par lost lupus, 15 mars 2011 - 12:54 .

[Legbiter]

Anders wanted a showdown between mages and the templars at the end not because he was trying to improve the lives of mages, he just wanted to cause maximum carnage and be allowed to die with his boots on, wand in hand. His was pure mindless vengeance, bereft of any coherent goal or legitimacy.

[DiablosShadows]

Anders makes Mages and Grey Wardens look bad.<_<

[LadyVaJedi]

Modifié par LadyVaJedi, 15 mars 2011 - 01:15 .

[LadyVaJedi]

I didn't have the heart to kill Anders. My female mage Hawke loves him.
I believe he did the right thing. With the abuse the mages were getting from the templers and the Grand Cleric did nothing to stop it. She knew what was going on and did nothing about it. IMO she was an enabler. I think the relic had something to do with it as well. But we shall see.

[Gabey5]

DiablosShadows wrote...

Anders makes Mages and Grey Wardens look bad.<_<

uhh no, all mages make mages look bad. Everyone was either a blood mage or trying to kill you, even when you were trying to aid them. At least he had some large scale plan.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

MissNet wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...
The majority of the templars in Kirkwall are out of control.

The majority of the mages i've met were blood mages. Including Orsino himself. There are reasonable templars - Cullen, Emeric, templar who helped those mage in the cave (how was his name?). There are reasonable mages, who don't turn to blood magic every time they pissed off. i just don't think the blowing up the innocent people helped  solve the problem.

You were partly right. There's plenty of reasonable templars.

However, I'd love to know who these reasonable mages are. Outside of Bethany and Feyndrial, what mage in this game didn't turn out to be a practitioner of Blood Magic/summoner of Demons? I'm being dead serious. 

[Danjaru]

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...

You were partly right. There's plenty of reasonable templars.

However, I'd love to know who these reasonable mages are. Outside of Bethany and Feyndrial, what mage in this game didn't turn out to be a practitioner of Blood Magic/summoner of Demons? I'm being dead serious. 

Your mage Hawke? (and all those unnamed mages in the final battle)

I thought Bioware changed radically on the whole mage thing, Origins and Awakenings had rather good views on mages, some bad eggs, but most are good. In DA2 EVERY NPC mage was a blood mage. But it also would make sense that many of them were, using the weapon the Templars are afraid of (blood magic) to try and free themselves.

I hope the third installation at least lets you be in the Tevinter Imperium for a while. Interesting to see the place that's ruled by mages (even though their chain of command ALL use blood magic).

In the end, remove the factor that they're slaves and are prisoners, can't live like normal people and whatnot, and mages wouldn't have the same reason or anger to turn to blood magic. Kirkwall being that much harder on Mages is probably the reason there are that much more bad mages (as explained by Varric). in Ferelden, a Mage escapes, they get brought back. In Kirkwall a mage escapes, he dies or gets tranquil.

Modifié par Danjaru, 15 mars 2011 - 01:33 .

[Maria Caliban]

[LadyVaJedi]

There were a couple that weren't blood mages that your party saves.

[NarcissaArtois]

I had 100% friendship with Anders and I killed him. I was pissed off that he had lied to me, and that he wouldn't tell me what he wanted to do in the chantry even though we were friends and he kept telling me I needed to trust him. I told him no, I wasn't going to help him get into the chantry, then he tried to black mail me. Plus I was annoyed that he called Fenris a "dog" and said to Avaline that he was suprised that she actually had a brain.

[DiablosShadows]

Gabey5 wrote...

DiablosShadows wrote...

Anders makes Mages and Grey Wardens look bad.<_<

uhh no, all mages make mages look bad. Everyone was either a blood mage or trying to kill you, even when you were trying to aid them. At least he had some large scale plan.

I was talking about blowing up buildings with people in them I didnt see other mages doing that. Or did i miss something?

[Envor44]

Anders's action was unforgiveable and I choose to kill him too. I didn't say this because he's lying to Hawke or that he is responsible for Grand Cleric's death.

His action was damned making it harder to resolve peacefully, he'd blind himself from reason..geeze..not every Templar are bad, and not every mage innocent.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

MissNet wrote...

kjdhgfiliuhwe wrote...
However, I'd love to know who these reasonable mages are. Outside of Bethany and Feyndrial, what mage in this game didn't turn out to be a practitioner of Blood Magic/summoner of Demons? I'm being dead serious. 

Yes, that's why i don't mention any mage specifically. Couldn't remember any I just hope that they exists somewhere.
May be there is something in the Kirkwall water after all.

If you talked to Leliana in the Viscount's Keep at night, she remarks something who's details I've sadly forgotten about how the influx of Blood Magic in the region seems to be the work of a third party, implying it's not all just because of oppression by Templars. 

Metaphorically, there may be something to the something in the Kirkwall water after all.

[DrekorSilverfang]

Personally I enjoyed watching the Chantry blow up. When I first talked to Anders about the quest I was a little suspicious and when he told me to distract the grand cleric I was pretty sure he was going to do something pretty crazy. The only thing I could have hoped for was that I could have gone in first and killed everyone before he blew it up.

[Mahtisonni]

There are like what? 5-10 blood mages in Ferelden in total and in Kirkwall they outnumber the normal population.
In Ferelden half of them were actually quite willing to talk instead of going BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

I'm still suspecting a Chantry conspiracy to make an excuse to start an exalted march or excuses to seize more political power. Meredith's ability to bring 3 suspected blood mages as an example just to butter up my hawke was all too smooth.

Also the blood magic tome in the chantry didn't ease my suspicions.
Not to mention that all of the blood mages with the exception of Merril all were murderously insane.
They had those weird rotten look in their eyes too which is a physical symptom of something.

Modifié par Mahtisonni, 15 mars 2011 - 01:46 .

[DiablosShadows]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I didnt kill Anders for this reason. Come on! Look at that little knife its a butter knife. I played Mage Hawke Bioware should of let me set him on fire or freeze him then shatter him. Think BIG Bioware.

[lost lupus]

Mahtisonni wrote...

There are like what? 5-10 blood mages in Ferelden in total and in Kirkwall they outnumber the normal population.
In Ferelden half of them were actually quite willing to talk instead of going BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

I'm still suspecting a Chantry conspiracy to make an excuse to start an exalted march or excuses to seize more political power. Meredith's ability to bring 3 suspected blood mages as an example just to butter up my hawke was all too smooth.

Also the blood magic tome in the chantry didn't ease my suspicions.
Not to mention that all of the blood mages with the exception of Merril all were murderously insane.
They had those weird rotten look in their eyes too which is a physical symptom of something.

she did turn that idol of insanity into something more swordy like

[GreenIronFist]

Finished my first playthrough last night and I let him live. Started my 2nd playthrough as a sarcastic warrior and this time around he's doomed...

[Dracotamer]

As soon as I found out he betrayed me and murdered innocent people I killed him.

[Melra]

I didn't kill him on my first run through, just because Sebastian ''forced'' the choice on me. I am not very cooperative, in those kinds of situations, even when I knew killing Anders was the right thing to do, I didn't do it, just so I could ''get back at'' Sebastian.

Second time around I killed him without thinking too much about it.

[PsychoBlonde]

MissNet wrote...

if he hates templars so much, he should blow up them, not the only one reasonable leader in Kirkwall and hundreds innocent sisters in the Chantry. i am mage (i mean, my hawke is mage , but so far almost every mage i've met was a blood mage. i feel lonely.

I know how you feel, my MageHawke spent a large portion of the game going WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!??!

Since Hawke was the only sane mage in the game (an apostate who was Officially Ignored by the templars and maybe even Condoned a little bit), I'm forced to conclude that it's NOT being an apostate that makes mages insane.  (There were a couple examples of crazy apostate mages, but they were either insane in a standard manner that you might see in non-mages, e.g. they were a serial killer, or they were actively being hunted and crazy about it.)

Merril wasn't crazy, just dumb.