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[Larryboy_Dragon]

Death to Anders.

[LobselVith8]

Forloko wrote...

Anders had to die. Period. I hope that's the canon choice in DA3 which I eagerly await...

Considering DA2 recognizes our choices from DA:O, like who is the ruler of Orzammar and what happened to the Dalish elves and the werewolves, as well as the boon chosen (except for the presently bugged Architect choice with Nathaniel and possibly the note from Avernus), that doesn't seem like it'll be the case. I'm looking to continue apostate Hawke's journey with his LI Merrill and his friend Anders.

[Eternal Dust]

I killed the bastard. I wanted to stabbity stab a couple more times, but he died too quickly. Bah.

[DRAGON_DARKO]

Is it worth being a mage and being pro templar?! Anders, loser

[BlackwindTheCommander]

Leave Anders alive because he was a good friend of my Warden would lead to a Starkhaven assault at some point in the future. It was too much of a risk for the sake of redemption.

[KJandrew]

Hearing Sebastian's pain at elthina's death forced me to kill Anders

[jonflora1]

I noted previously that Anders died in my playthrough and will die again in my second game. Thinking on the events after Kirkwall I am struck by the passing similarities between Anders and John Brown. Brown (and his sons) was famous for butchering pro-slavery citizens during Bleeding Kansas with broadswords and later leading the raid on Harper's Ferry in the hopes of sparking a slave uprising in Virginia and other slaves states. Brown's raid failed and he was executed in 1859 but scared the hell out of slaveholders and planted the false idea that the north was filled with John Browns. Next came Lincoln and the American Civil War. Makes me wonder what is in store for Thedas with DA2 dlc and DA3...

[fascination80]

Yeah, I killed him. I hated the way it was executed (hah, no pun intended) in the game, though. A little knife in the back?!
Yes, I understand how it was symbolic but my sexy, rouge, Fem Hawke wanted to behead him, slit his throat or duel him. All in all, a disappointing scene.

[fascination80]

LobselVith8, DA2 had Leliana and Zevran appear even if in your DA:O playthrough, either or both of these characters died ( ie: In DA:O, If you defile the ashes in The Urn Of Sacred Ashes quest, you are forced to battle and kill Leliana if she is in your party during that quest. However, even if you import this save into DA2, Leliana magically is resurrected without any explanation. She survives no matter what your choices in DA: O happened to be.
So, I don't see it as a stretch that Anders is dead in DA3 no matter what you choose.

[Jugo616]

Anders made church go KABOOOM!!! He's a good guy in my book.

[The dead fish]

octoberfire wrote...

I killed the bastard. I wanted to stabbity stab a couple more times, but he died too quickly. Bah.

XD

The same !

[LobselVith8]

fascination80 wrote...

LobselVith8, DA2 had Leliana and Zevran appear even if in your DA:O playthrough, either or both of these characters died ( ie: In DA:O, If you defile the ashes in The Urn Of Sacred Ashes quest, you are forced to battle and kill Leliana if she is in your party during that quest. However, even if you import this save into DA2, Leliana magically is resurrected without any explanation. She survives no matter what your choices in DA: O happened to be.
So, I don't see it as a stretch that Anders is dead in DA3 no matter what you choose.

Zevran's appearance is bugged while Leliana is rectonned into being alive in the same way Oghren is if he was killed and then reappears in Awakening (and apparently retconned into being anti-mage). The codex on Leliana references her "death" but Zevran's appearance is a bug in the same way Nathaniel recognizing the Architect as alive even if he was killed is bugged. Also, we know that King Alistair acknowledges whether Loghain is alive or dead, so I don't see why a dead Anders would be the default for DA3.

[CalJones]

Indeed, I hope not. He survived my first three playthroughs (even if I was a bit shocked by the whole Chantry business first time around) because I played pro-mage and also romanced him. Fourth run was a templar run so I slipped him the knife, but I didn't enjoy doing so. I have to say I really disliked the pro-templar route, even if half the mages in Kirkwall are idiots.

On a fifth run again and Anders will live again. Even if you hate what he did, you can always take the view that forcing him to live with it is punishment enough (although, on the templar path, he'll die either way).

[Hurbster]

I killed him, and when i find his damn cat I'll kill that as well.

[happy_daiz]

I was on an Anders-killing spree until my husband started getting upset and defending him. What the...? He doesn't even play this!

Anders mostly gets murder knifed in my playthroughs. I've let him live 2 out of 6 times.

I wish you could murder knife Sebastian. I think it's rude of him to make you choose at the end.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 18 mai 2011 - 09:44 .

[Anchor5]

Killing Anders was harder than any boss on any difficulty. I didn't want to do it, and I had to do it, but then I really didn't have to do it, but then I really wanted to do it. So far everything I've read in this thread seems true. I'm the kind of person who really only plays these games through once, and leaves them on the shelf for at least a year, so decisions seem to feel all the more final for me.
Most of us are pretty quick to label Anders a villain, but I think he wanted everyone to hate him. He knew what he did was wrong and that he deserved to die, so really he was sacrificing more than just his life, he was sacrificing his dignity, just so that mages might have even the slightest chance at a new beginning. I played a mage who supported him through most of the game, and it seemed to me that Anders became the villain so that Hawke could be the hero he couldn't be. When you ask him why he didn't tell you about it, he says he was afraid you would stop him, or worse, help him. He didn't include you because he knew you were the best chance mages had of being trusted (or at least supported, if you weren't a mage). As Orsino points out, the mages of kirkwall would only have a chance if Hawke sided with them, so Anders knew they would either die fighting, or live with an influential pro-mage champion on their side. Either way it would bring change to thedas, and he was willing to become a monster and face the maker's judgment for it. That doesn't sound like a lunatic to me. I kind of think of him like Batman at the end of Dark Knight; he chooses to be the villain because that's what the people need him to be.

There were a number of reasons I killed Anders. To be honest I was really angry when the chantry blew up, and I wanted to kill him right then, but when I realized I actually had the option, I had a change of heart. On the one hand, it seemed better punishment to force him to live and see the consequences of his actions, but I couldn't risk allowing him to kill more innocent people in his pursuit of justice. It also just seemed like the wisest decision politically; I couldn't let the mages be slaughtered, but if any hope of reconciliation with the templars was to be made, it would look a lot better for me if I was the one to killed the mage responsible.

Bioware made such a profound ending with Anders. I mean, sure he wasn't the comic relief he was in Awakening, but his character was written well enough that it he seemed believable the way he changed in Dragon Age 2. Have you ever read a story or watched a series that's so good the characters seem alive? I felt that way about all the characters in DAII, and I felt genuinely guilty when I killed Anders. He was a good companion and friend to Hawke, and seeing his face writhe in pain as you stab him was pretty sad. I wasn't crying though, I just had something in my eye.......

Modifié par Anchor5, 18 mai 2011 - 10:19 .

[Rifneno]

I was only angry he didn't let me help.  Kill stealing bastard.  But yeah, the Chantry has abuses its power for about 999 years too long.  And may Elthina burn in hell.  Her negligence in refusing to make Meredith follow the Chantry's own frickin' laws is why things blew up both figuratively and literally.  It's only a shame Elthina wasn't mentally, physically, and sexually abused until she took her own life like so many mages under her "watch."  ****.  Have I mentioned lately how much I hate that harpy? 

[Xilizhra]

but if any hope of reconciliation with the templars was to be made

Why the hell would you want to? The entire Order needs to burn.

[Plaintiff]

I don't remember if I posted in this thread before or what (there've been so many). But I let Anders live in all my playthroughs. The Chantry needs to be erased from the face of the earth anyway, and Elthina is just a useless wrinkled old ****.

If the game wanted me to care about the "hundreds of innocents" in there, it should've introduced me to them.

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

but if any hope of reconciliation with the templars was to be made

Why the hell would you want to? The entire Order needs to burn.

I know, right?  I only wish Anders had a (non-nuclear) MIRV.  The Chantry's sword arm needs to be amputated.  Its disease has spread long enough.

[The Baconer]

Xilizhra wrote...
Why the hell would you want to? The entire Order needs to burn.

I couldn't agree more. It is a mistake that demands correction.

The lies of the Chantry and the very idea of Circles is a corruption of the natural order.

[Deztyn]

*Peeks in thread*

*Backs away very, very slowly*

Modifié par Deztyn, 19 mai 2011 - 01:04 .

[Lucian820]

I was looking for the option to help him blow up the chantry, I was disappointed in DAO that you couldnt destroy the chantry. Chantry = Evil. The only bad part was that I couldn't blow it up a second time. Grand Cleric got what she deserved for not doing what was right.

Anders = my hero

[Giggles_Manically]

Lets see:

A blind, idealistic, self-righteous, hypocritical, holier-then thou, demon possessed terrorist blows up one:
Incompetent old lady in a religious building as a symbol with an unknown amount of secondary casualties.

All so that Templars would storm into the Circle and violently murder EVERY mage there to create an event that would make the other circles rise up... possibly.

With no real plan in place for what comes after.... or base to fall back to.... or connections with other mages ... or anything.
Who then says that his glorious action will make him a great martyr for all history!

Ugh.

I was only sad that I could not light his corpse on fire and catapult it at Meredith as another symbol.

[Huntress]

Lucian820 wrote...

I was looking for the option to help him blow up the chantry, I was disappointed in DAO that you couldnt destroy the chantry. Chantry = Evil. The only bad part was that I couldn't blow it up a second time. Grand Cleric got what she deserved for not doing what was right.

Anders = my hero

Am with you! Anders is right, sit there and wait to be killed/made tranquil or act and get killed right away, well I go for the second choice. I'll die but i'll be taking a few with me.